University of Oklahoma Sports

[BoulderSooner]

I really wish Sooners would cancel the season, it can wait until next year

why do you "wish" the would cancel ??

[jedicurt]

why do you "wish" the would cancel ??

because it will probably end up a complete cluster. with no one group in charge of testing and how to handle the situation (like the NHL and NBA have done).. you have each school doing their own thing, and we are going to see something similar to what we have already seen in MLB, where teams are going to have to cancel and not make up those games. and what are they doing all of this for? how are they going to determine success? if one team is undefeated but had to skip 2 games because of quarantine, does a team that only has 1 loss have a better record? does that matter? are we even going to determine a champion? do we really need to do all of this just to get TV revenue? because this is all just about money, and that is all.

[BoulderSooner]

because it will probably end up a complete cluster. with no one group in charge of testing and how to handle the situation (like the NHL and NBA have done).. you have each school doing their own thing, and we are going to see something similar to what we have already seen in MLB, where teams are going to have to cancel and not make up those games. and what are they doing all of this for? how are they going to determine success? if one team is undefeated but had to skip 2 games because of quarantine, does a team that only has 1 loss have a better record? does that matter? are we even going to determine a champion? do we really need to do all of this just to get TV revenue? because this is all just about money, and that is all.

it is not "all about money" it is about a bunch of different things also the entire BIG 12 is using the same testing protocol the players want to play ... and living live in a state of fear is not healthy in any way

[HangryHippo]

it is not "all about money"

lulz

[jedicurt]

it is not "all about money" it is about a bunch of different things also the entire BIG 12 is using the same testing protocol the players want to play ... and living live in a state of fear is not healthy in any way

cancelling a football season isn't living in a state of fear. i'm not scared of the coronavirus, which is how i am able to still take it serious and still live my life. it is possible to do both...

and it absolutely is only about money. that is what the purpose of College football is for both the schools and the conferences... (facepalm)

[BoulderSooner]

cancelling a football season isn't living in a state of fear. i'm not scared of the coronavirus, which is how i am able to still take it serious and still live my life. it is possible to do both...

and it absolutely is only about money. that is what the purpose of College football is for both the schools and the conferences... (facepalm)

students are on campus and in class the players (90+% won't go to the NFL ) want to play (so not about money for them)

[jedicurt]

students are on campus and in class the players (90+% won't go to the NFL ) want to play (so not about money for them)

agreed... for those playing... but the school and the conference (the ones who actually really decide if there is a season) only want it for the money.

[jedicurt]

students are on campus and in class the players (90+% won't go to the NFL ) want to play (so not about money for them)

and you apparently haven't been around too many college football players. while you are correct in that 90% wont' go to the NFL... only about 10% of them realize they are part of that 90% that won't be going. a vast majority think they will make it.

[HangryHippo]

agreed... for those playing... but the school and the conference (the ones who actually really decide if there is a season) only want it for the money.

Bingo.

[yunome12@yahoo.com]

cancelling a football season isn't living in a state of fear. i'm not scared of the coronavirus, which is how i am able to still take it serious and still live my life. it is possible to do both...

and it absolutely is only about money. that is what the purpose of College football is for both the schools and the conferences... (facepalm)

With you 100%! It's all about the $$$.

[Laramie]

This is the only concern I have with collegiate football; the players have to eventually look out for their future, being in top-notch shape for the draft--you can't blame them.

Player secures that degree and he can play a few years of NFL level football; he's set for life provided he manages his earnings well.

That's why I'd like to see the XFL succeed and remain a summer league. I feel OKC could support a summer league XFL franchise with the use of the lower bowl of Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium. The lower bowl could easily accommodate 64,000 or OKC needs to be ready to expand the 8k MAPS 4 Stadium to expand beyond 20,000.

[mugofbeer]

Money is what makes virtually everything we have possible. You don't get nice things without money. Retail stores, restaurants and bars in the area can't survive without money. My child can't attend OU without my money. Players don't get scholorships to play without money. OU wouldn't exist without money.

I'll repeat others in that most all the players very much want to play and those who don't can opt out. I will also say many people, right now, need the entertainment and something to look forward to. The sport wouldn't have the following it does if it weren't extremely important to it's fans.

[jedicurt]

Money is what makes virtually everything we have possible. You don't get nice things without money. Retail stores, restaurants and bars in the area can't survive without money. My child can't attend OU without my money. Players don't get scholorships to play without money. OU wouldn't exist without money.

I'll repeat others in that most all the players very much want to play and those who don't can opt out. I will also say many people, right now, need the entertainment and something to look forward to. The sport wouldn't have the following it does if it weren't extremely important to it's fans.

if only people had thought about how extremely important football was back in April and took thing seriously, then we probably wouldn't be where we are right now.... you don't get to ignore problems and then be upset when things don't go your way because you ignored them.

yes, i would love to have college football this season, but if it can't be done safely, i don't trust a bunch of 18-22 year olds being able to make the best decisions based upon their future. i know when i was that age, i rarely thought about how things would affect me long term. if it can't be done safely, then it shouldn't be done. and i think we are going to look back a few years from now and say the Big10 made the right call, and we didn't.

[BoulderSooner]

if only people had thought about how extremely important football was back in April and took thing seriously, then we probably wouldn't be where we are right now.... you don't get to ignore problems and then be upset when things don't go your way because you ignored them.

yes, i would love to have college football this season, but if it can't be done safely, i don't trust a bunch of 18-22 year olds being able to make the best decisions based upon their future. i know when i was that age, i rarely thought about how things would affect me long term. if it can't be done safely, then it shouldn't be done. and i think we are going to look back a few years from now and say the Big10 made the right call, and we didn't.

lol actual doctors think it can be done safely

[PoliSciGuy]

lol actual doctors think it can be done safely

Gonna need a citation there, and the OU team trainer doesn't count

[jedicurt]

lol actual doctors think it can be done safely

really? which ones? because the Big10 couldn't find any. neither could the Pac-12.

can you find me something where these "Actual Doctors" say that it can be done safely?

yes. there is a paid employee of the ACC and one of Duke university who is a doctor says it can be played safely, but if they don't play, the school and conference might not have enough money to pay them... so not sure that is a unbiased opinion. and this is a single doctor... not doctors...
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-played-safely

now here is where we see the NCAA doctors say it can't be done... and the NCAA itself makes very little money on college football (almost all of theirs comes from March Madness). so they might not be financially motivated to say that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/13/s...ec-big-12.html
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/colle...eda4e48da.html
https://nypost.com/2020/08/16/ncaa-c...y-play-sports/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/shlomos.../#2e676ddc417c

so if you can find some doctors who are not affiliated with one of the conferences that is trying to play, or one of those schools that says it can be done safely, please feel free to share that information.

[BoulderSooner]

Gonna need a citation there, and the OU team trainer doesn't count

really? which ones? because the Big10 couldn't find any. neither could the Pac-12.

can you find me something where these "Actual Doctors" say that it can be done safely?

yes. there is a paid employee of the ACC and one of Duke university who is a doctor says it can be played safely, but if they don't play, the school and conference might not have enough money to pay them... so not sure that is a unbiased opinion. and this is a single doctor... not doctors...
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-played-safely

now here is where we see the NCAA doctors say it can't be done... and the NCAA itself makes very little money on college football (almost all of theirs comes from March Madness). so they might not be financially motivated to say that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/13/s...ec-big-12.html
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/colle...eda4e48da.html
https://nypost.com/2020/08/16/ncaa-c...y-play-sports/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/shlomos.../#2e676ddc417c

so if you can find some doctors who are not affiliated with one of the conferences that is trying to play, or one of those schools that says it can be done safely, please feel free to share that information.

Mayo Clinic genetic cardiologist for one

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2...ll-season.html


Dr. Cameron Wolfe, an infectious disease specialist at Duke and the chair of the ACC’s medical advisory group

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/ac...ball-this-fall

[jedicurt]

Mayo Clinic genetic cardiologist for one

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2...ll-season.html


Dr. Cameron Wolfe, an infectious disease specialist at Duke and the chair of the ACC’s medical advisory group

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/ac...ball-this-fall

i already mentioned Wolfe... he is the one who is on the payroll at Duke, so kind of not biased. and all Ackerman was asked only about myocarditis. and he came in as an expert on it and said that it alone wasn't a reason.

and... just a few days after it... he openly said in an intereview that there could be other reasons but don't use the heart as the reason for canceling.

https://clemsonsportstalk.com/s/5633...carditis-issue

GB: If you got a call from a conference, college conference commissioner, would you say to play or not play? Safer to not play. But with everything going on, Dr. Ackerman, what would your advice be?
Dr. Ackerman: “I would simply tell anybody who was interested in my opinion to not use the heart as the reason to cancel the season. The conferences may have other reasons like the virus is like wildfire in their conference, in their schools, in that population. We don't have any control. We're not satisfied with testing. We're not satisfied with our quarantine measures. We don't think the landscape is acceptable from all of the logistics. But do not use the heart as the reason to cancel the season. There could be other reasons, and the debates are out there, and we will always debate it, and I respect the debate, but I would just say, "Do not stand behind the heart as your reason for canceling the season.

i wouldn't really call that a doctor saying it's safe. just saying that one issue shouldn't be the cause to cancel

[jedicurt]

Michael Ackerman from that same interview about the Pac-12 and Big 10 canceling

GB: Is it fair to say the Big 10 and Pac-12 were knee-jerk in their decisions this week?
Dr. Ackerman: “No. I couldn't say that. I have no information about that. I know of many of the medical advisors in for those conferences. I highly respect them. I like them. One of them is a good friend. So, no. I think people have been doing their absolute best with the data set they have. And a lot of times, things are perspective. And I just try to bring a different perspective to those conferences who ask my perspective of how do we navigate a non-zero risk scenario? You already indicated, Gabe, football's dangerous. There is a measurable non-zero risk of a catastrophic head injury this season, spine injury, lots of things can happen. There is a non-zero risk when the fan base and the student body drives down the interstate that they're going to get hit by a person who was texting while driving.”

Dr. Ackerman: ”Life is a non-zero risk game. And so, we're trying to weigh the risks and benefits in the balances. I also told the Big 12 conference, as you know, that one, the virus doesn't care if you're an athlete or a non-athlete. So, it's there on the campus. Two, that if we disqualify a season, we're basically disqualifying an athlete, and there is guaranteed measurable mental health consequences that are going to take place. Will we measure them? That doesn't make the news. But those athletes, because I've seen it for 25 years now, athletes who got disqualified because of a variety of medical reasons, some of them have great resiliency and did great afterwards. So, you have to weigh that in the balance.”

Dr. Ackerman: “There is much that has to be weighed in the balances. And I think those conference who said, "The balance says the season should be canceled," have their reasons. Those that waited in the balance and says, "I think, for now, we are comfortable and confident in our strategies, and let's go forward, proceed with caution. New evidence comes in, we may have to pivot on a dime." So, this is going to be a rollercoaster ride. This is not going to be slow and steady, and people need to be ready for it. There's going to be, in the analysis, looking back, we're going to say, "Boy, some of these decisions were brilliant and had tremendous foresight." We're going to look back and say, "Some of these decisions were major blunders," and time will tell.”

so he isn't saying it's safe... he is saying that he was asked a question about a heart condition and said that he didn't think that should be a reason to cancel the season. he is smart enough to know that he really only knows his specialization and that if new things come up, they might need to pivot quickly.. that isn't a doctor saying it's safe... that is a doctor saying he honestly doesn't know... but the heart should be the reason to cancel.

[BoulderSooner]

Michael Ackerman from that same interview about the Pac-12 and Big 10 canceling



so he isn't saying it's safe... he is saying that he was asked a question about a heart condition and said that he didn't think that should be a reason to cancel the season. he is smart enough to know that he really only knows his specialization and that if new things come up, they might need to pivot quickly.. that isn't a doctor saying it's safe... that is a doctor saying he honestly doesn't know... but the heart should be the reason to cancel.

it has been widely reported that myocarditis is the primary reason the pac12 and big10 canceled

[jedicurt]

it has been widely reported that myocarditis is the primary reason the pac12 and big10 canceled

and??? even if this one doctor says that isn't a reason to cancel it still doesn't mean that it is safe and there aren't other factors... please literally read what the doctor you said stated it was safe to play, said... i don't need to argue you opinion, the person whom you gave an your example is doing that for me.

[Bill Robertson]

For whatever reasons this conference decided to play or that conference decided to not play this thread is titled OU Sports so who cares? Let’s just say my beloved OU Sooners win the “fall” football championship. It will be put in the records as:

2020 National Champions OU (*)

[Roger S]

2020 half of the OU Hockey Season has been cancelled... So far they still plan to play the 2021 half of this season.

[mugofbeer]

For whatever reasons this conference decided to play or that conference decided to not play this thread is titled OU Sports so who cares? Let’s just say my beloved OU Sooners win the “fall” football championship. It will be put in the records as:

2020 National Champions OU (*)

Most all sports, pro and amateur will have one.

[Bill Robertson]

Most all sports, pro and amateur will have one.

Yes, they will.