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[Rover]

This new report says it all:

Sooner State Resurgence: The moveBuddha 2023 Oklahoma Migration Report

https://www.movebuddha.com/blog/okla...ration-report/

Lol. No, it doesn’t. Like reading a page and thinking you know the book. Based heavily on internet searches and a few ratios without any contextual evidence or underlying fact analysis. Very weak.

[G.Walker]

Lol. No, it doesn’t. Like reading a page and thinking you know the book. Based heavily on internet searches and a few ratios without any contextual evidence or underlying fact analysis. Very weak.

But yet this whole thread was started based on the same type of data reporting. Numbers don't lie, face the facts.

[April in the Plaza]

I’m not exactly a political scientist, but this thread seems awfully political.

[Jersey Boss]

I’m not exactly a political scientist, but this thread seems awfully political.

You seem to be upset or troubled. Are you ok?

[April in the Plaza]

You seem to be upset or troubled. Are you ok?

You seem pretty upset yourself, chief.

[soonerguru]

To wit, Oklahoma’s population grew by about 200k people between 2010 and 2020. 172,000 of those people moved to the OKC Metro.

[progressiveboy]

To wit, Oklahoma’s population grew by about 200k people between 2010 and 2020. 172,000 of those people moved to the OKC Metro.

This is really surprising! That is a good influx of growth, however, I am surprised because OKC or Tulsa have not attracted any major corporate HQ's to the State. Typical O&G State along with agriculture. This has a lot to do with the "culture" of the State. My perception only. Oklahoma has much potential to grow and prosper, however is it in their collective will if they choose to make it happen.

[ComeOnBenjals!]

To wit, Oklahoma’s population grew by about 200k people between 2010 and 2020. 172,000 of those people moved to the OKC Metro.

This is what I could find from the Census. Tulsa and OKC metros combined for 250,561. The rest of the state losing population brought the state's total population gain down.

Oklahoma Population 2010 - 2020
3,751,351 - 3,959,353: 208,002

OKC Metro 2010 - 2020
1,252,987 - 1,425,695 : 172,708

Tulsa Metro 2010 - 2020
937,478 - 1,015,331: 77,853

[Rover]

To wit, Oklahoma’s population grew by about 200k people between 2010 and 2020. 172,000 of those people moved to the OKC Metro.

Who thinks 20,000 per year population increase is impressive?

[PoliSciGuy]

I’m not exactly a political scientist, but this thread seems awfully political.

Pretty much everything is inherently political, not sure what your point is

[soonerguru]

It’s amazing the lengths people will go to to deny deep-seated social and socioeconomic problems in this state for purely political reasons. Why not simply acknowledge that the problems do indeed exist instead of trying to deflect and gaslight?

The principal fact is that Oklahoma’s population would NOT have grown over the last decade were it not for OKC’s, and to a lesser extent, Tulsa’s growth. So you could throw up an argument that Oklahoma is growing, but you would be doing so without context.

[BoulderSooner]

It’s amazing the lengths people will go to to deny deep-seated social and socioeconomic problems in this state for purely political reasons. Why not simply acknowledge that the problems do indeed exist instead of trying to deflect and gaslight?

The principal fact is that Oklahoma’s population would NOT have grown over the last decade were it not for OKC’s, and to a lesser extent, Tulsa’s growth. So you could throw up an argument that Oklahoma is growing, but you would be doing so without context.

also pretty fair to say that OKC and tulsa would not be growing the way they are with out the low tax environment pro business framework of the STATE

[PoliSciGuy]

also pretty fair to say that OKC and tulsa would not be growing the way they are with out the low tax environment pro business framework of the STATE

Not really. Most of the growth is from people within the state leaving rural areas for the closest urban center, not people leaving a high tax state and flooding into Oklahoma.

[BoulderSooner]

Not really. Most of the growth is from people within the state leaving rural areas for the closest urban center, not people leaving a high tax state and flooding into Oklahoma.

the state is in the top 10 states in growth this decade ..

[G.Walker]

I am just stating facts, and provided recent data to back it up. To say Oklahoma is nothing or not growing without OKC or Tulsa is a conjected statement in itself. OKC and Tulsa are in Oklahoma...lol

[G.Walker]

Take DFW, Houston, Austin, & San Antonio out of Texas and see what kind of state it is...

[chssooner]

Take DFW, Houston, Austin, & San Antonio out of Texas and see what kind of state it is...

Exactly. I love when people move goal posts to fit their desired outcome. Take Kansas City and St Louis out of Missouri, and what do you get? Or Wichita and Kansas City out of Kansas. Or Denver and Colorado Springs out of Colorado.

[G.Walker]

The industry is turning in OKC, our aerospace industry is growing tremendously. And it also seems like we are getting a new manufacturing, distribution, or fulfillment plant announced every month, and I am ok with that. These are decent paying jobs, and jobs brings people. And they need to spend that money somewhere. Everybody is not able to work at Paycom or Devon.

[Dale]

At last check Florida was the fastest growing state. And I can assure you that most of those weren’t moving to Pahokee.

[PhiAlpha]

So if our politics and culture that everyone is complaining about are the reason the state is “circling the drain” then why are we in the top ten for population growth over the last decade and why do Florida and Texas sit in 1 & 2 on the same list?

I’m not saying that there aren’t plenty of things to fix but those of you liberal leaning people constantly whining about the state “circling the drain” and being unlivable aren’t any different than conservatives in IL, CA, NY, etc complaining about those state’s liberal leaders ruining them. Its all extreme melodrama and hyperbole on both sides. It’s pretty clear that your definition of the right answer depends on which side of the aisle you fall on and I’ve been on the site long enough to predict exactly how all of you will answer nearly every time. Though I still haven’t seen a good answer as to how our crazy politicians are the problem yet Florida and Texas have the same crazy politicians but are both killing it growth wise right now.

[Rover]

So if our politics and culture that everyone is complaining about are the reason the state is “circling the drain” then why are we in the top ten for population growth over the last decade and why do Florida and Texas sit in 1 & 2 on the same list?
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We are cheap, cheap, cheap and they are no tax states and also pretty cheap

[gjl]

We are cheap, cheap, cheap and they are no tax states and also pretty cheap

No income tax states but not no tax states. They get their revenue other ways than income tax.

[chssooner]

We are cheap, cheap, cheap and they are no tax states and also pretty cheap

Do a true comparison of what people pay in taxes. Texas is higher than Oklahoma, I believe. Property taxes are real, I know you are ignoring them in your comment, however.

[Rover]

Do a true comparison of what people pay in taxes. Texas is higher than Oklahoma, I believe. Property taxes are real, I know you are ignoring them in your comment, however.

Hey, I’m glad you think our near the bottom GDP per person and avg family income is a great thing. Let’s keep cutting education and maybe we can keep driving low paying low skill jobs to our state. Lol

[chssooner]

Hey, I’m glad you think our near the bottom GDP per person and avg family income is a great thing. Let’s keep cutting education and maybe we can keep driving low paying low skill jobs to our state. Lol

There is no anchor tied to your butt keeping you here. If all you do is complain, then from a mental health perspective (for all of us), you can move to liberal bastions you praise like Dallas or Nashville.

I'm not giving the state a pass, by any means. I hate that we are in the mess we are. But being holier-than-thou on a message board isn't going to fix anything. We need to get the future of the state to start caring about these problems. But you waxing poetically about how dumb the state is won't help that. You don't bring discussion points to the table. Just bash the state and anyone who remotely tries defending it, and then move on.