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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderSooner View Post
    currently this will end with the springdale bypass ... reconnecting with 412 just west of the lake (east of sonora) ...

    seems like it would be pretty easy to upgrade 412 for an additional .. 15 miles or so to just north of huntsville .. but after that you would need significantly more funding ..
    Unfortunately, yes.

    We use to go this way a lot to get to Table Rock Lake, and grew tired of the two lane roads and traffic from that Arkansas State line to east Springdale. For now, we just Take I-44 all the way to Springfield, MO and drop south on HWY 65. It adds miles and can add time depending on traffic, but at least all 4 lane.

    I don't know how much of a pull or need Walmart Corporate has for traffic coming from the east, or if XNA is their primary route for traffic coming in and out of Bentonville.

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    What are the chances that this could be pushed West in the future. Other than a Enid bypass. Most of the highway would only need bridges built out to about Ringwood. Where there is a large portion of the highway that we need to be upgraded with a possible bypass near gloss mountain State Park, Woodward guymon and Boise City would also need bypasses. It would be ideal to see it terminate in Clayton with i-27 or with I-25 in Raton

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    Quote Originally Posted by TornadoKegan View Post
    What are the chances that this could be pushed West in the future. Other than a Enid bypass. Most of the highway would only need bridges built out to about Ringwood. Where there is a large portion of the highway that we need to be upgraded with a possible bypass near gloss mountain State Park, Woodward guymon and Boise City would also need bypasses. It would be ideal to see it terminate in Clayton with i-27 or with I-25 in Raton
    I don't think demand is there, very sparse population as you can travel HWY 412 in the panhandle and not see another vehicle for a few miles, and it would be hard to argue major traffic heading west isn't already using I-40 or I-70. Interstates typically connect to major population centers, in this case past Enid, there isn't another community above 20,000 all the way to Raton.

    As for the New Mexico side, we traveled this route from Clayton to Raton this past year to get to Colorado, it's 4 lane divided, limited access most of the way, and much like the panhandle, lightly traveled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottk View Post
    I don't think demand is there, very sparse population as you can travel HWY 412 in the panhandle and not see another vehicle for a few miles, and it would be hard to argue major traffic heading west isn't already using I-40 or I-70. Interstates typically connect to major population centers, in this case past Enid, there isn't another community above 20,000 all the way to Raton.

    As for the New Mexico side, we traveled this route from Clayton to Raton this past year to get to Colorado, it's 4 lane divided, limited access most of the way, and much like the panhandle, lightly traveled.
    You typically don't have to go all the way to I-25 to get to Colorado. You technically could go to Boise City then heading north on 385 for a few miles

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    Quote Originally Posted by TornadoKegan View Post
    You typically don't have to go all the way to I-25 to get to Colorado. You technically could go to Boise City then heading north on 385 for a few miles
    True, from the times we have traveled out that way, with the new-ish bypass around Boise City there is a significant amount of semi traffic on 287/385, I am guessing coming from Amarillo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottk View Post
    True, from the times we have traveled out that way, with the new-ish bypass around Boise City there is a significant amount of semi traffic on 287/385, I am guessing coming from Amarillo?
    Yes. Semi's take that route instead of through New Mexico to Raton. Colorado has built many new passing lane segments from north of Boise City to Lymon.

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