Daylight Savings Time

[April in the Plaza]

I don't understand why DST bothers people so much. Who cares?

Changing the clocks twice per year is a huge waste of everyone’s time and money. The good people of Arizona figured this out years ago.

[BoulderSooner]

Changing the clocks twice per year is a huge waste of everyone’s time and money. The good people of Arizona figured this out years ago.

waste of money?? lol

[jedicurt]

the statements about the 1974 attempt to go to permanent daylight savings were well documented as having one massive problem, it started with an earlier change in time. January 6th of 74 was the time change to daylight saving, and people went straight into having dark morning, rather than it happening gradually. the statement was made when it was repealed, that the biggest failure of it, was not that people wouldn't grow to like it, but that they implemented it in a way that no one would like it.

[Jersey Boss]

Changing the clocks twice per year is a huge waste of everyone’s time and money. The good people of Arizona figured this out years ago.

Nah, you get that hour back in the fall.

[TheTravellers]

The dark side of permanent daylight savings time: How the Senate bill eliminating the changing of the clocks may make Americans sicker, fatter and more depressed, writes sleep expert DR. MEETA SINGH

[catch22]

The weather hasn't changed much where I live since the time change (we got a foot of snow today) and I have already noticed a sharp uptick in people out doing yard work, jogging, etc. -- I am not sure I agree with their assessment that it makes people fatter and more depressed. I went to the park yesterday evening and was unable to find anywhere "safe" to let my small dogs off their leash to get out their zoomies because there were so many people out. Two weeks ago at around the same astronomical time, I was the only person in the entire park.

[Thatguy15]

Changing the clocks twice per year is a huge waste of everyone’s time and money. The good people of Arizona figured this out years ago.

Time: It takes 10 seconds.

Money: WTF?

Move to Arizona

[Thatguy15]

The dark side of permanent daylight savings time: How the Senate bill eliminating the changing of the clocks may make Americans sicker, fatter and more depressed, writes sleep expert DR. MEETA SINGH

This might be the dumbest thing I've read in my life and that's saying something considering I read this board a few days a week.

[TheTravellers]

This might be the dumbest thing I've read in my life and that's saying something considering I read this board a few days a week.

Why? Pretty much everything in the article is accepted knowledge by specialists in the field. And these organizations are "dumb"?

The [AASM] statement was endorsed by more than 20 medical, scientific, and civic organizations, including the American College of Chest Physicians, American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine, National PTA, National Safety Council, Society for Research on Biological Rhythms, and World Sleep Society.

[SEMIweather]

The reason Arizona doesn’t spring forward is because they want early sunrises and sunsets in the summer, which makes sense given their climate.

[catch22]

States further north than Oklahoma would really struggle with year round standard time.

June civil twilight/sunrise for Standard time:

Denver: 4:02am/4:32am
Seattle: 3:41am/4:11am
Chicago: 3:44am/4:14am
New York City: 3:54am/4:24am

etc.

Civil twilight means it is light enough to perform most tasks outside without any lighted aid. Usually a half-hour before sunrise. Anyone who thinks year round standard time is a good idea is kidding themselves. Maybe they can adjust kids school hours instead of making the entire rest of the country suffer with 4 hours of sunlight before we are even out of the door in the morning.

[okatty]

The reason Arizona doesn’t spring forward is because they want early sunrises and sunsets in the summer, which makes sense given their climate.

Exactly right - I got the historical dissertation on this from a golf pro in Arizona one time. I was out there during the time change and I was confused on the time and mentioned it. He launched into it and how much better it is for them to not change.

Arizona and Hawaii would be allowed to stay on Standard time from what I read on the new bill that was passed in the US Senate.

[Bill Robertson]

I don't care personally either way. My wife and I both leave for work at 5:30ish so that commute is in the dark most of the year anyway. And we're inside and on the couch by 8 most every night so being light later is nothing to us. So everyone else can take sides on this one.

[Thatguy15]

Why? Pretty much everything in the article is accepted knowledge by specialists in the field. And these organizations are "dumb"?

The [AASM] statement was endorsed by more than 20 medical, scientific, and civic organizations, including the American College of Chest Physicians, American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine, National PTA, National Safety Council, Society for Research on Biological Rhythms, and World Sleep Society.

Yes those organizations are dumb. The only thing responsible for an individuals health, is....wait for it....THAT INDIVIDUAL!!!!

[jn1780]

The dark side of permanent daylight savings time: How the Senate bill eliminating the changing of the clocks may make Americans sicker, fatter and more depressed, writes sleep expert DR. MEETA SINGH

Sounds like they need to move to the equator where they get roughly the same amount of sunlight a year. I bet they really hata Alaska. Humans adapt just like they already do during the seasons. Human time will never perfectly sync up with the Earth and Sun.

[Jersey Boss]

Yes those organizations are dumb. The only thing responsible for an individuals health, is....wait for it....THAT INDIVIDUAL!!!!

"Yes those organizations are dumb".That right there is funny, I don't care who you are.

[Rover]

Sounds like they need to move to the equator where they get roughly the same amount of sunlight a year. I bet they really hata Alaska. Humans adapt just like they already do during the seasons. Human time will never perfectly sync up with the Earth and Sun.

Hate to tell you, suicides rise greatly in winter in the far north. Even in SSeattle, Portland, Vancouver, etc. Not just Alaska. It’s a real problem.

[jedicurt]

Hate to tell you, suicides rise greatly in winter in the far north. Even in SSeattle, Portland, Vancouver, etc. Not just Alaska. It’s a real problem.

Seattle disagrees with you

https://www.king5.com/article/news/v...9-935ef1a97d86

here is john hopkins on the matter

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news...ing-not-winter

here is a study just for British Colombia, so Vancouver that says that's wrong

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...itish_Columbia

Same in Alaska, Umass found that May actually was the Peak for Alaskan Suicides.

https://scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/v...context=theses

Sorry, i couldn't find a study for Portland specific to season affect on suicide rates. But to your last point that it's a real problem.... no, it really isn't.

[okatty]

Definitely a hot topic:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/dayli...163814558.html

[Bill Robertson]

I heard something on NPR that made me look up the bill going through Congress. I get lost often reading legalese but I'm pretty sure this bill doesn't make DST permanent. It gives the states more freedom to do that themselves. That's what the NPR piece said and that's the way I read the text of the bill. So we could end up with a mess of x number of states staying as is and x number being DST all the time.

[okatty]

I heard something on NPR that made me look up the bill going through Congress. I get lost often reading legalese but I'm pretty sure this bill doesn't make DST permanent. It gives the states more freedom to do that themselves. That's what the NPR piece said and that's the way I read the text of the bill. So we could end up with a mess of x number of states staying as is and x number being DST all the time.

I can’t claim to have read the actual bill but my understanding was it was mandatory for all but the carve out states:

The bill would allow Arizona and Hawaii, which do not observe daylight saving time, to remain on standard time as well as American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

[Bill Robertson]

I can’t claim to have read the actual bill but my understanding was it was mandatory for all but the carve out states:

The bill would allow Arizona and Hawaii, which do not observe daylight saving time, to remain on standard time as well as American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

That's the way I thought it was. But the NPR reporter and I now read it differently. I need to reread it. I might have had a mindset that NPR was right so that's what I read.

[April in the Plaza]

Time: It takes 10 seconds.

Money: WTF?

Move to Arizona

You sound mad, Bud.

[Rover]

Out of the top 10 states for suicides the only that aren't northern states are new Mexico and Oklahoma.. That's most likely associated with their poor economics and health

[dankrutka]

Yes those organizations are dumb. The only thing responsible for an individuals health, is....wait for it....THAT INDIVIDUAL!!!!

This is a way “dumber” post than the one that you said is “dumb.” Considering how time change will effect people’s circadian rhythm and how studies show the effects of time change and sunlight to effect things like depression, exercise, and other factors are exactly the types of things that should be taken into account.

After reading a few articles on the debates this morning, I tend to agree that ending daylight saving and reverting to standard time, not daylight time, makes more sense even if I’d prefer it the otherwise as a night owl.