Sports Betting in OK

[Richard at Remax]

https://www.koco.com/article/oklahom...sinos/39167209

"It is important to note that this bill if it becomes law, would not include the very popular online sports betting. However, Luttrell said that if his bill is successful, it is only a matter of time until online joins the gaming landscape."

This is my beef. If someone wants to go to the casino book and make a bet, then yes, the tribes should get their cut. However, if barstool sports, betmgm, ect want to come in with the app they should be allowed to do so to and not be a part of the tribes. They will still pay their share to the state just like the tribes do.

When I was in Arizona a few weeks back, I used Barstool sports app. I am pretty sure Casinos can only be on tribal land there as well. Both can co-exist.

[okatty]

The lack of online is really disappointing. However, I think that in Arizona the mobile wagering is thru the tribes and they have just contracted deals with outside groups like Barstool, Draftkings, etc. I know originally their mobile wagering was limited to 10 tribes. This could have changed but that was my understanding initially.

[Richard at Remax]

The lack of online is really disappointing. However, I think that in Arizona the mobile wagering is thru the tribes and they have just contracted deals with outside groups like Barstool, Draftkings, etc. I know originally their mobile wagering was limited to 10 tribes. This could have changed but that was my understanding initially.

Thanks for the input. That would make some sense. I guess not to have it right off the bat is disappointing. Great for Winstar. Great for Tulsa residents since their casinos are much closer to the population. Bad for OKC and just about everyone else who isn't close to one.

[Zuplar]

Seems like a big miss to not include online. I can't imagine most people going to the casino just to sports bet, unless they were someone that already went to the casinos.

[OKCretro]

the interview from the drafter of the bill on KOCO 10pm news indicated that if this passes it will only be a matter of time before its allowed online or via app.

[okatty]

the interview from the drafter of the bill on KOCO 10pm news indicated that if this passes it will only be a matter of time before its allowed online or via app.

That would be consistent with a lot of states. Arkansas for example rolled out in person and are just now ready to expand to mobile platform with a goal of having it launched by March Madness.

[mugofbeer]

When it happens, get ready to be inundated with sports betting app adds.

[Zuplar]

the interview from the drafter of the bill on KOCO 10pm news indicated that if this passes it will only be a matter of time before its allowed online or via app.

Nice.

[Bill Robertson]

When it happens, get ready to be inundated with sports betting app adds.

Really! And it's something I'm not going to do. I'm all for it but way too often when I bet FB games in my head I lose.

[okatty]

When it happens, get ready to be inundated with sports betting app adds.

Pretty interesting article on this topic. The numbers are pretty staggering especially in a state like NY.

https://sportshandle.com/caesars-shelving-ad-campaign

[dheinz44]

"Sun Sets On Oklahoma Sports Betting Legislation In 2023"
https://www.legalsportsreport.com/11...ports-betting/

[chssooner]

What a joke.

[kukblue1]

Traber went off about it today. The state is losing millions.

[Plutonic Panda]

“too many unresolved issues that ultimately killed it this year.”

Like what? Why he so goddamn ambiguous. Spell it out. They also didn’t make any headway on eliminating the grocery store tax either. Something the governor supports. If Access Oklahoma fails he’ll really a bad legacy of not being able to get the things done he advocated for. Looks like Panasonic will happen he can boast about.

[soonergolfer]

“too many unresolved issues that ultimately killed it this year.”

Like what? Why he so goddamn ambiguous. Spell it out. They also didn’t make any headway on eliminating the grocery store tax either. Something the governor supports. If Access Oklahoma fails he’ll really a bad legacy of not being able to get the things done he advocated for. Looks like Panasonic will happen he can boast about.

Calm down! You can't blend all of these issues into one big finger point at the governor, there are other factors involved.

I would guess that Traber has to be somewhat ambiguous, considering he is on a radio station that makes a ton of money from advertisements from the Indian casinos. It seems pretty obvious to me that the tribes didn't want to have to pay the going rate other sports betting operators pay in most states. Personally, I wish that it was a free and open market to outside companies. The fact that everything regarding sports betting is essentially online, why do the tribes have control?

[Plutonic Panda]

Calm down! You can't blend all of these issues into one big finger point at the governor, there are other factors involved.

I would guess that Traber has to be somewhat ambiguous, considering he is on a radio station that makes a ton of money from advertisements from the Indian casinos. It seems pretty obvious to me that the tribes didn't want to have to pay the going rate other sports betting operators pay in most states. Personally, I wish that it was a free and open market to outside companies. The fact that everything regarding sports betting is essentially online, why do the tribes have control?

I’m just saying a lot of what the governor has tried to do has failed. Just pointing it out.

[kukblue1]

Calm down! You can't blend all of these issues into one big finger point at the governor, there are other factors involved.

I would guess that Traber has to be somewhat ambiguous, considering he is on a radio station that makes a ton of money from advertisements from the Indian casinos. It seems pretty obvious to me that the tribes didn't want to have to pay the going rate other sports betting operators pay in most states. Personally, I wish that it was a free and open market to outside companies. The fact that everything regarding sports betting is essentially online, why do the tribes have control?

The Tribes want it. The governor has said he wants it. It has passed the house. Like pass it already.

[soonergolfer]

The Tribes want it. The governor has said he wants it. It has passed the house. Like pass it already.

Why are you so sure the tribes want it? In the grand scheme of things, the amount of money they would make from sports betting is a drop in the bucket compared to casino gaming. Also, they would have to keep open books for sports betting. As of now, they aren’t subject to state audits or any regulations. Vegas max %hold is probably 10% or so and is highly regulated. The amount the tribes take is most likely astronomical.

[Bill Robertson]

I heard an interview with a senator on the way to work. Didn't catch his name. He said too many senators aren't comfortable expanding wagering laws until Stitt and the tribes work out who controls what once and for all. So both sides need to get over their power struggles and get it done.

[bombermwc]

I’m just saying a lot of what the governor has tried to do has failed. Just pointing it out.

*warning, blatant political opinion post

Well i'm ok with anything governor turd does, mostly failing. Trump Jr is also a disgrace. If he can't convince his own party of something, he stands no chance crossing the aisle. But he's never been interested in that anyway, rather only trying to make people do what he wants for his own special interests. Master cronyism douche.
*steps off soapbox

As for betting, maybe including the online option is part of what's needed to get this moving the next time. Remember how it took a forced ballot measure by the people to override the state legislature preventing the lottery to be put on a ballot. Every time they fail to listen to their constituents and something gets on the ballot, they try their hardest to prevent it from happening again....cause you know, they must know better than the people very obviously telling them that they do not. I dont think there's enough of a push for this as for, say, recreational marijuana. So no i dont see this going to a people ballot measure. I just mention all of that because the nit-picking seems to be where the committee/floor debate is going.

[Oklapatriot]

So, I guess it's OK to voice "blatant political opinions" now? Man, I've got a load of constipated opinions just waiting.

[Bill Robertson]

*warning, blatant political opinion post

Well i'm ok with anything governor turd does, mostly failing. Trump Jr is also a disgrace. If he can't convince his own party of something, he stands no chance crossing the aisle. But he's never been interested in that anyway, rather only trying to make people do what he wants for his own special interests. Master cronyism douche.
*steps off soapbox

As for betting, maybe including the online option is part of what's needed to get this moving the next time. Remember how it took a forced ballot measure by the people to override the state legislature preventing the lottery to be put on a ballot. Every time they fail to listen to their constituents and something gets on the ballot, they try their hardest to prevent it from happening again....cause you know, they must know better than the people very obviously telling them that they do not. I dont think there's enough of a push for this as for, say, recreational marijuana. So no i dont see this going to a people ballot measure. I just mention all of that because the nit-picking seems to be where the committee/floor debate is going.

According to the bill's author it would have included "remote betting" . Is that not online betting?

"According to Luttrell, HB 1027 would add in-person as well as mobile sports betting as a supplement to the state-tribal model gaming compact.

[Richard at Remax]

Mobile Betting was included.

As long as Greg Treat is around, this will never get out of the senate. He has been against it from the beginning.

As for the tribes, as someone mentioned it would be a small bucket for them. Why take such a hard stance on it? Unless they are using it as leverage to get a better deal done.

I know a ton of people who pop up to Kansas or over to Arkansas to make bets. I got to Vegas a handful of times each year to bet, among other things. I'd prob stick around if this passes. More money just going to other states. Everyone loses.

[Dob Hooligan]

I think Senator Treat is termed out and this is his last session.

I don't see any reason for the tribes to make a high overhead (tax) deal. Sports betting has a low margin already, and I think any tax is gonna make our payouts lower. Our gaming compacts have been pretty close to the Nevada numbers. I think staying close to the 6.75% Nevada tax rate is fair.

[Laramie]

Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt wants sports betting legalized this year: https://tulsaworld.com/news/state-an...b43c80dcb.html