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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTravellers View Post
    Oh really? Fact is that I think the filibuster should've been killed a long time ago (or gone back to a talking one, totally 100% enforced, which is a good step, but not sure if we really need the filibuster at all).
    You realize without the fillibuster, every time there is a changevin political party, the first monthe would just be spent undoing what the previous administration implemented? This is shown by Biden unravelling everything Trump did just because Trump did it. When Reps take over at some point (or some better moderate party), they will just spend time undoing the nutty things of the Dems.

    Filibusters help smooth the peaks and valley's of political lunacy by preventing the fringe items. Filibusters also help encourage compromise.

    Look what happened when Harry Reid killed it with regards to the Supreme Court and appropriations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderSooner View Post
    i mean the Constitution gives state legislatures this role ... but ok
    actually it doesn't... the key in his statement is one and only legitimate...

    Article 1, section 4, Clause 1 of the Constitution is
    The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
    so the US congress can at any time pass a law or alter regulations that a state legislature implements. So no, the constitution very clearly doesn't make the the one and only legitimate arbiters of elections.

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    One of them has to go: The GOP or America as we know it

    Italics in the original.

    "Texas is showing us all how the corruption that has overwhelmed the GOP has reached a crisis point, and itís killing people."

    "Itís why the GOP is literally the only political party among all the developed nations of the world that denies climate change. And then grifts off that denial."

    "Corruption like this is not a joke; itís already cost Texas ratepayers $28 billion and 700 lives, and more is on the way. And the Texas Republican politiciansí response is just to make it harder for Texans to vote.

    In state after state, Americans are seeing how the GOP has transformed itself from a legitimate political party into an arm of giant corporations and the billionaires they have created, all while rigging the system to keep themselves in office.

    In some states the GOP is mostly dancing with the fossil fuel industry thatís destroying our climate and poisoning us; in others itís the health insurance or big drug industries theyíre helping to bankrupt and addict Americans, or the student or payday loan industries that are destroying the American Dream.

    The gun industry is making billions while America experiences daily mass shootings that Republicans refuse to do anything about.

    In their wake every year are over 30,000 gun deaths, 500,000 bankruptcies because somebody in the family got sick, young people who canít escape debt for decades if ever, and a landscape littered with destroyed lives and suicides.

    None of these things are happening in any other developed nation. But no other developed nation has a major political party that has become a serial killer of its nationís people and governs like the Mafia.

    The GOP has become, as Eisenhower warned, ďmerely a conspiracy to seize power.Ē And the tragic result is a weakened, potholed, polluted and impoverished America.

    If the Party canít reform itself, it needs to go the way of the Whigs and be put out of its misery. The American people ó even voters who consider themselves Republicans ó deserve better."

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    Matt Gaetz is working hard for something…but now we know his position on…
    Jamie Spears?
    Are there no Generals for him to scoff at? Did trump run out of boots to lick?

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    I don't know what his obsession with Spears or maybe with conservatorship, but wierdly this isnt the first time he's injected himself into the whole Spears conservatorship saga. He reached out earlier in the month evidently and invited her to Washington.


    And this is low, but he does know she turned 18 about 20 years ago right? I mean, I know she was 16 when 'Baby one more time' came out and oh, now I get it.
    Last edited by jerrywall; 07-15-2021 at 06:01 PM. Reason: Wrong song and age

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond_Outsider View Post
    Matt Gaetz is working hard for something…but now we know his position on…
    Jamie Spears?
    Are there no Generals for him to scoff at? Did trump run out of boots to lick?
    He is such a clown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrywall View Post
    I don't know what his obsession with Spears or maybe with conservatorship,
    I don't know either, but somehow everyone has become an expert in guardianship/conservatorship law overnight. Lots of people have very strong feelings for having never reviewed any of the records.

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    Being from financial services, l saw a fair number of cases where family members were trying to gain control of a family members assets under very questionable circumstances. Unless there is a case where there are pretty obvious mental or physical issues - and Brittany Spears had some pretty clear signs for a while - there should be very steep walls to climb to get a conservatorship/guardianship. Conversely, there should be a much lower wall if the subject wants them off. It's too easy to abuse someone with a fortune. I don't know details but there seem to be some significant problems in this case.

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    Okay. What we do know is that it is in fact a steep climb. We also know that her father has succeeded in producing enough evidence to make that climb. What we don't know is what assessments have been made in the case and what their conclusions are. So we know nothing aside from some short video recordings from one side of the controversy. It'll get sorted, but the public may not ever be fully clued in on what is going on. We have no right to be.

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    The interest to me isn't celebrity status. I couldn't care less about that. But having witnessed a number of these types of cases during my employment years, l am interested in how the court is going to be viewing competence. Is she a true danger to her children? Is she a true danger to herself? Does she have a grasp on money management? What's the drug status?

    Look at this vs. children in the foster care or human services system and are their parents fit to raise them? It seems that system's wall is pretty short. I've also seen obviously drug addicted children of wealthy people sue the parents for trust or UTMA money into 6 figures wherevthe parents refuse.

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    Why Matt Gaetz has taken on this issue is strange even for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmond_Outsider View Post
    Why Matt Gaetz has taken on this issue is strange even for him.
    Bit of an age difference but maybe they got a thang goin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugofbeer View Post
    Bit of an age difference but maybe they got a thang goin.
    Considering the allegations against him I'm not sure an age difference would be much of a barrier...

    But, they're the same age I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrywall View Post
    Considering the allegations against him I'm not sure an age difference would be much of a barrier...

    But, they're the same age I believe.
    Brittney is only seven months younger than Matt, that's what makes it so confusing. If she was 17 years old still, that would make sense. Maybe he's just stuck on all her videos from when she was 17. Coke heads like him and Hunter do strange things.

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    Republicans' hostility to science causes existential emergencies to collide

    "The hostility to public health measures and life-saving vaccines during this pandemic has extended this crisis to the point that we are now endangering children and killing thousands of people who didn't have to die."

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    Once again, way more than "shenanigans", but fairly appropriate thread...

    The war on women returns: How GOP governors may doom Republicans in Congress

    "Back in 2012, Republicans were on one of their tears against women's rights, thinking that it was the ticket to win the election and oust President Barack Obama from office. They decided to attack contraception, confirming once again that their alleged love for the fetus was really all about restricting reproductive freedom."

    "Unfortunately, this time the Supreme Court is on the wrong side of history and the state governments are using this legal end run to, as Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in his dissent, "avoid responsibility for its laws." It's a very neat trick but one that could end up being too clever by half if Republicans continue to repeat their mistake in believing that everyone in America is as primitively misogynist as they are. One gets the sense that some of them, at least, understand this.

    The silence from most national GOP officials has been deafening. Unfortunately, there's not much they can do about it. By empowering fanatics in the states to go their own way, they've completely lost control of the issue. "

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    Greg Abbott is not ignorant ó he's a liar: Why the difference matters for the future of democracy

    "So often progressives, many of us missing the school days of gold stars on our spelling quizzes, love nothing more than to dunk on Republicans for saying stupid stuff. And boy, don't conservatives know how to weaponize that "um, actually" gene they trigger against us? Take, for instance, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott. Like most ambitious Republicans, he is a consummate troll who is happy to say seemingly dumb things to attract liberal outrage, attention which bolsters his fame and credibility in the eyes of the right. (He likely learned well from his fellow Texas Republican, skilled troll Sen. Ted Cruz.) Playing dumb, for right-wingers, is often the smartest move you can make. "

    "For one thing, it's important to remember that conservatives deliberately say dumb things in order to attract dunks, because it allows them to play the victim of liberal know-it-alls. So understanding that they act out of malice and not genuine stupidity can help liberals avoid taking the bait.

    Even more importantly, anti-choicers have, for decades, successfully exploited stereotypes that they are dim-witted Bible-huggers to escape responsibility from some truly heinous behavior. Take, for instance, a 2014 case in which the Supreme Court struck down a Massachussetts law giving abortion patients a 35-foot buffer zone to walk to a clinic without being harassed by anti-choice protesters. The lawyers for the protesters portrayed their clients as simple-minded but sweet grandmothers whose desire to "counsel" young women should be indulged. In reality, the protesters who surround the clinic are resentful bullies who are only too happy to talk about abortion patients like they're sluts and who sneeringly denounce women for wanting "to have their careers [and] their education." Their motives weren't gentle ignorance, but unvarnished sadism."

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    One noted insurrectionist loser praises another:

    Quote Originally Posted by Donald Trump
    Just watched as a massive crane took down the magnificent and very famous statue of ďRobert E. Lee On His HorseĒ in Richmond, Virginia. It has long been recognized as a beautiful piece of bronze sculpture.

    To add insult to injury, those who support this ďtakingĒ now plan to cut it into three pieces and throw this work of art into storage prior to its complete desecration.

    Robert E. Lee is considered by many Generals to be the greatest strategist of them all. President Lincoln wanted him to command the North, in which case the war would have been over in one day.

    Robert E. Lee instead chose the other side because of his great love of Virginia, and except for Gettysburg, would have won the war. He should be remembered as perhaps the greatest unifying force after the war was over, ardent in his resolve to bring the North and South together through many means of reconciliation and imploring his soldiers to do their duty in becoming good citizens of this Country.

    Our culture is being destroyed and our history and heritage, both good and bad, are being extinguished by the Radical Left, and we canít let that happen!

    If only we had Robert E. Lee to command our troops in Afghanistan, that disaster would have ended in a complete and total victory many years ago. What an embarrassment we are suffering because we donít have the genius of a Robert E. Lee!

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    Whatever Happened to the Republican Party that Stood for Limited Government?

    "Todayís Republican Party, while still claiming to stand for limited government, is practicing just the opposite: government intrusion everywhere.

    Republican states are on the way to outlawing abortions.
    Republican lawmakers are stopping schools from requiring students wear masks.
    Republican lawmakers are forbidding teachers from telling students about Americaís racist past.
    Republican legislators are forcing transgender students to play sports and use bathrooms according to their assigned gender at birth.
    Republican lawmakers are making it harder for people to vote."

    "Today, Republican politicians have no coherent view. They want only to be reelected, even if that means misusing government to advance a narrow and increasing anachronistic set of values Ė intruding on the most intimate aspects of life, interfering in what can be taught and learned, risking the publicís health, banning whatís necessary for people to exercise their most basic freedoms.

    This is not mere hypocrisy. The Republican Party now poses a clear and present threat even to the values it once espoused."

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    CNN's John Avlon delivers epic take down of GOPís 'post-Trump' trend of 'eye-popping hypocrisies'

    Emphasis mine.

    "Avlon then discussed Roe v. Wade and the controversial Republican-backed, Texas abortion law currently facing widespread opposition. Despite their unwavering support of the Texas law, Avlon notes that the same Republicans also stand behind the "my body, my choice" mantra where vaccinations, vaccine passports, face coverings and mask mandates are concerned."

    ""Republicans are the party of lawsuits, at least where women are concerned, but these eye-popping hypocrisies are part of a post-Trump trend, where claims of fighting for free speech turn into speech codes, banning teachers from talking about structural racism in classrooms," Avlon continued. "Claims of individual freedom turns into anti-trans laws. Claims of supporting free markets lead to threats against private companies for not toeing their partisan line and claims for fighting for election integrity lead to the kneecapping of local election officials make election administrations more susceptible to partisan pressure."

    The CNN host closed by noting that the GOP is still the party of Trump.

    "But don't be fooled," he closed. "Republicans still under the sway of Donald Trump, it's not about small-government principles. It's about the pursuit of power, pure and simple.""

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    Wow, just wow. Not aware of any Ds saying the same type of thing, but if they did, I have no words that I can post here to say how I feel about them, just like I have no words I can post here to say how I feel about these Rs.

    Viral montage reveals 'despicable' GOP history of rape comments: '​This is the Republican Party'


    "Akin, in 2012, infamously commented, "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

    "Former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, who was voted out of office in 2006, is seen in the video urging rape victims to "make the most of a bad situation" and "accept what God is giving to you."

    Former Indiana State Treasurer Richard Mourdock, in the video, says of pregnant rape victims, "Even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, it is something that God intended to happen."

    The video shows former Rep. Steve King of Iowa commenting, "If not for rape and incest, would there be any population left?"

    Another Republican seen in the video is former Maine State Rep. Lawrence Lockman, who said, "If a woman has the right to an abortion, why shouldn't a man be free to use his superior strength to force himself on a woman? At least the rapist's pursuit of sexual freedom doesn't, in most cases, result in anyone's death.""

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