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  1. #1926

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    You can call yourself a Republican, but it doesnt make your view on certain topics any less leftist. I can see bringing up an opinion from rousseau and then statement my opinion has caused you distress. Your use of rheotic and your appeal to psyology in order to avoid talking about the subject on a deeper level proves my point.

    I respect you as human, and if you want to be called a Republican I will call you a Republican, but that doesnt mean you opinions on certian topics are not left wing. Have a good afternoon with your family, dont let me attempt at a deeper conservation ruin your tine with your family. Have a good day Polisci.
    He's what we call a RINO.

  2. #1927

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    How does this relate to the irs wanting transaction data about bank accounts over $600? My statement was in reaponse to your statement about my statement about increased rules regarding bank accounts. Let me know if any of that stuff you mentioned in your reply actually happens and i will be be there protesting with you. The right of the People to elect thier leaders in free and fair elections is critical to our republic.
    I have no problem with this if it will help the IRS collect owed and unpaid revenues. I don't have anything to hide. In fact, I operate a business where my largest bank account is already monitored by my professional association, so this wouldn't even be a change for me.

  3. #1928

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    I agree with you about biology, but I am very pro-natal. I love all kinds of babies. I think American's should have more babies. If we can have policies that increase the number of babies bornthen generally I am in favor of it. A mother can do an excellent job on her own with a new born baby, but you would agree that it would be a more pleasant experience if she had help.

    If the experience is easier because the father is there to help there in a higher chance the couple will reproduce again. I am so pro-natal that I would give the father 3 months off and the mother a year off if I was in power. I might even consider paying a stipend to mothers who choose to stay home for the first 5 years of a child's life.

    This money invested is more important than just about anything else besides infrastructure.
    Back to your statement about a stipen for Mothers to stay home for a while....on reflection I would be willing to pay Mothers a working salary to stay home vs giving them money for childcare. Rather than budgeting money for childcare folks, give it to the Mothers. Great idea.

  4. #1929

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    How does this relate to the irs wanting transaction data about bank accounts over $600? My statement was in reaponse to your statement about my statement about increased rules regarding bank accounts. Let me know if any of that stuff you mentioned in your reply actually happens and i will be be there protesting with you. The right of the People to elect thier leaders in free and fair elections is critical to our republic.
    And to your credit, I reviewed the several election reform bills before various legislatures, and in all cases, the GOP seems to have come to its senses and merely passed bills meant to target ways Democrats like to vote. And I don't see how knowing how much money goes in and out of bank accounts is any kind of a consolidation of power. Maybe you can explain that. I just see it as cracking down on tax cheats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    Polisci, there are many interesting and important topics that I will not discuss because,

    1.) I doubt the people discussing it have read anything on the subject (you maybe an exception).
    2.) Thier worldview is intolerant of new ideas or different ways of thinking (you maybe the exception).
    3.) People will often use the ignore feature to block posters that cause them distress.
    4.) Not everyone on the left is capable with interacting with complex ideas.

    Before anyone puts words in my mouth, here is an example of a topic that most people would reject.

    "You can not agree with Jean-Jacques Rousseau myth of the Nobel savage and be a Christian". Polisci, what are your thoughts on Rousseau? Is his myth of the Nobel savage correct?
    Your points are such a load of crap. Copied/pasted straight from m-w.com [emphasis mine]:

    liberal noun
    lib∑​er∑​al | \ ˈli-b(ə-)rəl\

    Definition of liberal (Entry 2 of 2)
    : a person who is liberal: such as
    a : one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways

    Personally, I put posters on ignore that don't discuss in good faith, never post any useful information, are regressive in their viewpoints, and that just in general don't bring anything to the conversation. Same thing as if I was at a party and heard somebody spouting off about how guns are great, everybody needs one, or that some person that got shot by a cop deserved it, or ..... - I just don't go around that person or listen to them because they are not bringing anything useful to the conversation. Nobody that I have on ignore causes me "distress", they just annoy me and I have no desire to unnecessarily put myself through reading (what I consider to be) pure unmitigated BS that gives no insights, doesn't advance the conversation, or add anything to my knowledge stores. It's just like unsubscribing from an email newsletter that has sales on women's clothes all the time - I don't need to read that email every day, so I unsubscribe, but not because it's causing me "distress".

    Your putdown of the entire left by accusing them/us of not being able to handle complex ideas is also completely wrong, backwards, and laughable. Conservatives are generally more resistant to change and challenges to their beliefs.

    Educate yourself, start here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biolog...al_orientation

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...l-differences/

    https://www.businessinsider.com/psyc...iberals-2018-2

  6. #1931

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    Do as I say
    Not as I do
    https://news.yahoo.com/video-biden-w...183400056.html

    -Joseph Robinette Biden

  7. #1932

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTravellers View Post
    Your points are such a load of crap. Copied/pasted straight from m-w.com [emphasis mine]:

    liberal noun
    lib¬∑‚€‹er¬∑‚€‹al | \ ňˆli-b(…™-)r…™l\

    Definition of liberal (Entry 2 of 2)
    : a person who is liberal: such as
    a : one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways

    Personally, I put posters on ignore that don't discuss in good faith, never post any useful information, are regressive in their viewpoints, and that just in general don't bring anything to the conversation. Same thing as if I was at a party and heard somebody spouting off about how guns are great, everybody needs one, or that some person that got shot by a cop deserved it, or ..... - I just don't go around that person or listen to them because they are not bringing anything useful to the conversation. Nobody that I have on ignore causes me "distress", they just annoy me and I have no desire to unnecessarily put myself through reading (what I consider to be) pure unmitigated BS that gives no insights, doesn't advance the conversation, or add anything to my knowledge stores. It's just like unsubscribing from an email newsletter that has sales on women's clothes all the time - I don't need to read that email every day, so I unsubscribe, but not because it's causing me "distress".

    Your putdown of the entire left by accusing them/us of not being able to handle complex ideas is also completely wrong, backwards, and laughable. Conservatives are generally more resistant to change and challenges to their beliefs.

    Educate yourself, start here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biolog...al_orientation

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...l-differences/

    https://www.businessinsider.com/psyc...iberals-2018-2
    Travellers,

    Thank you for taking the time to respond. I wish every poster on this board could express themselves as well as you do in your post. You are right, I was lazy when I accused the entire left of not being welling to engage in complex topics. I think we can both agree that there are huge problems we need to be addressed in this country and we will not make progress until we can discuss these topics together.

    Your method of blocking People is like a man who creates a garden, then because there threats to his garden he builds a wall to protect his garden. This is generally a good idea, but taken to an extreme you will end up missing out on useful ideas from outside your garden walls. It seems like people on the right (that are online,that I can see) do not have walls up around thier garden of knowledge, while people that claim to be on the left seem to have very stout walls aroumd thier garden. Your post did help me understand better where people like you are coming from. Please let me know if I have misunderstood anything in your post. Have a goodnight my friend.

  8. #1933

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    Quote Originally Posted by WheelerD Guy View Post
    Do as I say
    Not as I do
    https://news.yahoo.com/video-biden-w...183400056.html

    -Joseph Robinette Biden
    Which excuse will the apologists use?

    But But But Trump wasn't wearing a mask on Saturday either. ...

    or

    Thats just Joe being Joe. Silly Goose

  9. #1934

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKCretro View Post
    Which excuse will the apologists use?

    But But But Trump wasn't wearing a mask on Saturday either. ...

    or

    Thats just Joe being Joe. Silly Goose
    Stupid move when you are the POTUS and trying to be an example during the pandemic.

    There, did that work for you?

  10. #1935

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    Yeah that's not a great look, no reason to argue otherwise.

  11. #1936

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cid View Post
    Stupid move when you are the POTUS and trying to be an example during the pandemic.

    There, did that work for you?
    Hard to figure out the context from the picture. It appears he may have removed it briefly as it is in his hand. Not a great look at all, as there are cameras on at all times, but to turn this into a national story? I guess that indicates he's doing a pretty good job because there's no real news to discuss at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canoe View Post
    ...

    Your method of blocking People is like a man who creates a garden, then because there threats to his garden he builds a wall to protect his garden. This is generally a good idea, but taken to an extreme you will end up missing out on useful ideas from outside your garden walls. It seems like people on the right (that are online,that I can see) do not have walls up around thier garden of knowledge, while people that claim to be on the left seem to have very stout walls aroumd thier garden. Your post did help me understand better where people like you are coming from. Please let me know if I have misunderstood anything in your post. Have a goodnight my friend.
    That's actually not the right analogy. I'm building walls around the garden to keep the annoying houseflies out, and all the other annoying things that are not a threat to my garden, but I just don't want to deal with. It actually takes a while for me to put someone on ignore, after they hit a certain number of posts that make me go "Really? OK, don't have time or inclination to read that **** anymore", it's not something I just do at the first sign of disagreement. It's similar to going through a rack of albums/CDs/whatever-the-phrase-is-in-the-streaming-era and just bypassing most modern country, trap, all the girl singers that sound alike, etc., in favor of St. Vincent, or the VU, or Lee Perry, etc. - they don't threaten me and I don't think they're dangerous or scary - they're just completely not of interest to me (I've listened to some of what I mentioned, enough to know that I don't care for them and don't need to waste my time on them), while the others are.

    If people do not spout GQP crap/propaganda, I'll engage with them.

    If people do not post crap like "America is murdering babies" when talking about legal abortion, I'll engage with them.

    If people do not post regressive/bad-for-Americans-in-general viewpoints, I'll engage with them.

    If people do not post idiotic statistics or opinions about COVID-19 that are not informed by facts, I'll engage with them.

    Ad infinitum...

    Why should I open my mind to a viewpoint like Oklapatriot's where he was glad to get away from his newborn baby after a week and he doesn't see any need to change America's family leave policy? Those are both things I find wrong, and my mind will never be changed on them, because they're just, well, wrong. Now, if you want to discuss how bad the death penalty is, how much infrastructure the US needs (both physical and job-related), how the filibuster needs to end (not how it needs to stay), how voting rights need to be expanded and made secure (not reduced), how bad so many cops (and their unions) across the nation are (not how you believe in Blue Lives Matter), etc., then we can talk...

  13. #1938

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTravellers View Post
    That's actually not the right analogy. I'm building walls around the garden to keep the annoying houseflies out, and all the other annoying things that are not a threat to my garden, but I just don't want to deal with. It actually takes a while for me to put someone on ignore, after they hit a certain number of posts that make me go "Really? OK, don't have time or inclination to read that **** anymore", it's not something I just do at the first sign of disagreement. It's similar to going through a rack of albums/CDs/whatever-the-phrase-is-in-the-streaming-era and just bypassing most modern country, trap, all the girl singers that sound alike, etc., in favor of St. Vincent, or the VU, or Lee Perry, etc. - they don't threaten me and I don't think they're dangerous or scary - they're just completely not of interest to me (I've listened to some of what I mentioned, enough to know that I don't care for them and don't need to waste my time on them), while the others are.

    If people do not spout GQP crap/propaganda, I'll engage with them.

    If people do not post crap like "America is murdering babies" when talking about legal abortion, I'll engage with them.

    If people do not post regressive/bad-for-Americans-in-general viewpoints, I'll engage with them.

    If people do not post idiotic statistics or opinions about COVID-19 that are not informed by facts, I'll engage with them.

    Ad infinitum...

    Why should I open my mind to a viewpoint like Oklapatriot's where he was glad to get away from his newborn baby after a week and he doesn't see any need to change America's family leave policy? Those are both things I find wrong, and my mind will never be changed on them, because they're just, well, wrong. Now, if you want to discuss how bad the death penalty is, how much infrastructure the US needs (both physical and job-related), how the filibuster needs to end (not how it needs to stay), how voting rights need to be expanded and made secure (not reduced), how bad so many cops (and their unions) across the nation are (not how you believe in Blue Lives Matter), etc., then we can talk...
    Glad I got under your skin, but you are making too much from this statement:

    I guess if you can get away with 2 months of paid leave then more power to you, but I know when my biological babies were born I was kind of glad to get back to work after a week or so. I guess I'm a bad Dad....

    Did you read later posts whereby I explained the situation? I clearly went on to point out my involvement with my kids during non-work time and also the fact that my Mother and MIL were both there. I'm not sure what I could have done to help out any more, I was just in the way. But leave it to you to make a big deal out of it just like all of you liberal Marxists do most of the time. I stand by my statement that 2 months of Paternal leave is excessive, particularly from a member of the Cabinet. I really don't need or want you to "open your mind" to any viewpoint I have, so just go ahead and put me on ignore. I don't have you on official ignore but I sure shake my head at some of the crap you post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklapatriot View Post
    Glad I got under your skin, but you are making too much from this statement:

    I guess if you can get away with 2 months of paid leave then more power to you, but I know when my biological babies were born I was kind of glad to get back to work after a week or so. I guess I'm a bad Dad....



    Did you read later posts whereby I explained the situation? I clearly went on to point out my involvement with my kids during non-work time and also the fact that my Mother and MIL were both there. I'm not sure what I could have done to help out any more, I was just in the way. But leave it to you to make a big deal out of it just like all of you liberal Marxists do most of the time. I stand by my statement that 2 months of Paternal leave is excessive, particularly from a member of the Cabinet. I really don't need or want you to "open your mind" to any viewpoint I have, so just go ahead and put me on ignore. I don't have you on official ignore but I sure shake my head at some of the crap you post.
    Again showing you have no idea what Marxism is.

  15. #1940

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swake View Post
    Again showing you have no idea what Marxism is.
    Oh, I think I do. If you don't think we're headed for this you might want to re-evaluate what's going on, and the person I responded to is one of the biggest proponents.....

    Definition of Marxism
    : the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx
    especially : a theory and practice of socialism (see SOCIALISM sense 3) including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society

    Capitalist society is made up of two classes—the bourgeoisie, or business owners, who control the means of production, and the proletariat, or workers, whose labor transforms raw commodities into valuable economic goods.
    Ordinary laborers, who do not own the means of production, such as factories, buildings, and materials, have little power in the capitalist economic system. Workers are also readily replaceable in periods of high unemployment, further devaluing their perceived worth.
    To maximize profits, business owners have an incentive to get the most work out of their laborers while paying them the lowest possible wages. This creates an unfair imbalance between owners and the laborers whose work they exploit for their own gain.
    Because workers have little personal stake in the process of production, Marx believed they would become alienated from it (as well as from their own humanity) and resentful toward the business owner.
    The bourgeoisie also employ social institutions, including government, media, academia, organized religion,2 and banking and financial systems, as tools and weapons against the proletariat with the goal of maintaining their position of power and privilege.
    Ultimately, the inherent inequalities and exploitative economic relations between these two classes will lead to a revolution in which the working class rebels against the bourgeoisie, seizes control of the means of production, and abolishes capitalism.

  16. #1941

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    Copying and pasting a sentence from a website (and failing to remove even the parentheticals) doesn't really show you fully grasp what it means. If you knew what it meant, you wouldn't have to plagiarise from somewhere else.

    Also, how can someone be a "liberal Marxist"? Liberal, in the traditional sense, values limited government intervention and private property. Marxism the exact opposite. By using the phrase "liberal Marxist" you're showing a complete lack of understanding of what these political philosophies mean.

  17. #1942

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliSciGuy View Post
    Copying and pasting a sentence from a website (and failing to remove even the parentheticals) doesn't really show you fully grasp what it means. If you knew what it meant, you wouldn't have to plagiarise from somewhere else.

    Also, how can someone be a "liberal Marxist"? Liberal, in the traditional sense, values limited government intervention and private property. Marxism the exact opposite. By using the phrase "liberal Marxist" you're showing a complete lack of understanding of what these political philosophies mean.
    Yes I copied and pasted that information, surely you didn't think I came up with that? The dialog stands as it was written, if not by me, and I claimed no credit for it. If you think the current liberals are for limited government than you need to take a closer look at what's happening. What we're seeing right now is Marxism at it's finest. To make this relevant to the topic.......Biden is a worthless POS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklapatriot View Post
    Glad I got under your skin, but you are making too much from this statement:

    I guess if you can get away with 2 months of paid leave then more power to you, but I know when my biological babies were born I was kind of glad to get back to work after a week or so. I guess I'm a bad Dad....

    Did you read later posts whereby I explained the situation? I clearly went on to point out my involvement with my kids during non-work time and also the fact that my Mother and MIL were both there. I'm not sure what I could have done to help out any more, I was just in the way. But leave it to you to make a big deal out of it just like all of you liberal Marxists do most of the time. I stand by my statement that 2 months of Paternal leave is excessive, particularly from a member of the Cabinet. I really don't need or want you to "open your mind" to any viewpoint I have, so just go ahead and put me on ignore. I don't have you on official ignore but I sure shake my head at some of the crap you post.
    LOL - You didn't get under my skin, I literally don't give enough time to your posts to care what your opinions or thoughts are because I have you on ignore (however, your posts show up when others quote them, so sometimes I see them). I am not making too much of that statement, because I don't care enough about your thoughts to do so, I used it as an example of the kinds of posts from people are that I put on ignore - regressive, and advocating for something that's not good for the American people in general

  19. #1944

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklapatriot View Post
    Yes I copied and pasted that information, surely you didn't think I came up with that? The dialog stands as it was written, if not by me, and I claimed no credit for it. If you think the current liberals are for limited government than you need to take a closer look at what's happening. What we're seeing right now is Marxism at it's finest. To make this relevant to the topic.......Biden is a worthless POS.


    Current liberals are not for the state taking ownership of all private property or the violent overthrow of the government with the execution of the elite. So....not Marxist.

  20. #1945

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTravellers View Post
    LOL - You didn't get under my skin, I literally don't give enough time to your posts to care what your opinions or thoughts are because I have you on ignore (however, your posts show up when others quote them, so sometimes I see them). I am not making too much of that statement, because I don't care enough about your thoughts to do so, I used it as an example of the kinds of posts from people are that I put on ignore - regressive, and advocating for something that's not good for the American people in general
    Lol, I generally don't read your posts either but when you use me as some kind of example it catches my eye and I need to defend myself. If you didn't care enough about my thoughts then why did you specifically mention me? If I remember correctly you're the guy that has no friends at work because any co-worker conservative's thoughts or ideas automatically preclude them from being a friend. Yes, I believe that was you....... Well, good luck with that. I bet you are really a fun person to be around.....lol. So, continue to leave me on ignore, and try to refrain from using me as an example. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner View Post


    Current liberals are not for the state taking ownership of all private property or the violent overthrow of the government with the execution of the elite. So....not Marxist.
    You need to read "American Marxist" by Mark Levine. I know it's outside your reading interest, but it might open your mind to different ideas. Who knows, you might pickup a conservative client and need to be able to relate to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklapatriot View Post
    You need to read "American Marxist" by Mark Levine. I know it's outside your reading interest, but it might open your mind to different ideas. Who knows, you might pickup a conservative client and need to be able to relate to him.
    Mark Levine!

    I can't LOL hard enough. The man has no allegiances outside his tribe. NONE.

    The guy claims to be a constitutionalist, then proceeds to spend all 4 years of the Trump presidency propping him up as a fellow constitutionalist, despite Trump's continuous bumbling and running afoul of said constitution. What an effing joke. The guy is the walking definition of a backwards blowhard, and the progenitor of so much conservative FUD. His opinions are utterly worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cid View Post
    Mark Levine!

    I can't LOL hard enough. The man has no allegiances outside his tribe. NONE.

    The guy claims to be a constitutionalist, then proceeds to spend all 4 years of the Trump presidency propping him up as a fellow constitutionalist, despite Trump's continuous bumbling and running afoul of said constitution. What an effing joke. The guy is the walking definition of a backwards blowhard, and the progenitor of so much conservative FUD. His opinions are utterly worthless.
    Well, of course you would not agree with Mark Levine, no surprise here. You reading anything by a conservative author would be like me reading a book written by one of the many liberal pundits. We're so far apart that I doubt we could ever find common ground. That's the way it works in the U.S.A., and it's probably a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oklapatriot View Post
    Well, of course you would not agree with Mark Levine, no surprise here. You reading anything by a conservative author would be like me reading a book written by one of the many liberal pundits. We're so far apart that I doubt we could ever find common ground. That's the way it works in the U.S.A., and it's probably a good thing.
    He sells lots of books to the pearl clutching crowd. He is really, really good at it. He even has patriotic music playing in the background of his rants. If that is your thing, then go for it.

    I'll admit I don't commit myself to reading book form volumes of conservative propaganda. I DO, however, regularly listen to conservative radio, when it was Limbaugh, Levine, Hannity. I also read and watch lots of right-leaning media. Fox News, Breitbart, Newsmax, OANN.

    It's very simple as far as common ground: I used to call myself a fiscal conservative until I realized there really is no notion of fiscal conservatism in the USA. First, because both parties spend not just at ungodly rates, but in ways that are utterly wasteful. Second, because I realized almost all "austerity" proposed by self identified fiscal conservatives are actually cover for starving working class and poor citizens with the purpose of funneling wealth to the already-wealthy, employing all sorts of disgusting tactics. Socially, I don't see any other way except to be liberal, especially if you are an American constitutionalist. Live and let live, etc, etc, requires a liberal mindset.

    The modern American conservative ideology has been completely twisted post-WWII. They live in a world of FUD, prodded on and perpetrated by ultrawealthy persons and businesses.

    To bring this back to being on-topic, Biden is not a POS. He is however, night and day better than the POS he replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cid View Post
    He sells lots of books to the pearl clutching crowd. He is really, really good at it. He even has patriotic music playing in the background of his rants. If that is your thing, then go for it.

    I'll admit I don't commit myself to reading book form volumes of conservative propaganda. I DO, however, regularly listen to conservative radio, when it was Limbaugh, Levine, Hannity. I also read and watch lots of right-leaning media. Fox News, Breitbart, Newsmax, OANN.

    It's very simple as far as common ground: I used to call myself a fiscal conservative until I realized there really is no notion of fiscal conservatism in the USA. First, because both parties spend not just at ungodly rates, but in ways that are utterly wasteful. Second, because I realized almost all "austerity" proposed by self identified fiscal conservatives are actually cover for starving working class and poor citizens with the purpose of funneling wealth to the already-wealthy, employing all sorts of disgusting tactics. Socially, I don't see any other way except to be liberal, especially if you are an American constitutionalist. Live and let live, etc, etc, requires a liberal mindset.

    The modern American conservative ideology has been completely twisted post-WWII. They live in a world of FUD, prodded on and perpetrated by ultrawealthy persons and businesses.

    To bring this back to being on-topic, Biden is not a POS. He is however, night and day better than the POS he replaced.
    really amazing to have a post this long were almost 100% of it is incorrect ..

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