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  1. #101

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    ^^^Actually there should be upside

  2. #102

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    Quote Originally Posted by gopokes88 View Post
    Thereís literally no downside for okc if Tesla goes to Tulsa.
    How do schools get their funding? Isn't it somewhat based off where property tax dollars go? If so, the Tulsa schools will get a huge boon from this, hurting OKC schools even more. There is one. OKC has no projects or prospects like this in the pike to help balance out something like this...

  3. #103

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdizzle View Post
    How do schools get their funding? Isn't it somewhat based off where property tax dollars go? If so, the Tulsa schools will get a huge boon from this, hurting OKC schools even more. There is one. OKC has no projects or prospects like this in the pike to help balance out something like this...
    You can almost be guaranteed that Tesla will get tons of public incentives that would result in them not paying property tax.

  4. #104

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    You can almost be guaranteed that Tesla will get tons of public incentives that would result in them not paying property tax.
    And I am sure the city of Tulsa will work with the state to benefit greater than the rest of the state for having Tesla there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdizzle View Post
    How do schools get their funding? Isn't it somewhat based off where property tax dollars go? If so, the Tulsa schools will get a huge boon from this, hurting OKC schools even more. There is one. OKC has no projects or prospects like this in the pike to help balance out something like this...
    How would Tulsa’s schools getting more money from a new revenue source have any effect whatsoever on OKC’s schools?

  6. #106

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhiAlpha View Post
    How would Tulsa’s schools getting more money from a new revenue source have any effect whatsoever on OKC’s schools?
    I was merely adding how Tulsa could get ahead of OKC through this.

  7. #107

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdizzle View Post
    I was merely adding how Tulsa could get ahead of OKC through this.
    Telsa will be a great addition to Tulsa and the State. It's not going to put Tulsa ahead of OKC. Tulsa's population could use the extras boost; right now OKC is the center of the state's growth. OKC has 400,000 more in the metro and 250,000 more people in the urban area.

    As to its impact on OKC, I just don't see what you're seeing other than we've lured something big to our area. Hope you get Telsa, because it's no fund being a bridesmaid who lost her virginity to Telsa and didn't get anything for it.

    If a city is going to be a whore, at least get paid for being laid.

  8. #108

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhiAlpha View Post
    How would Tulsa’s schools getting more money from a new revenue source have any effect whatsoever on OKC’s schools?
    It's actually the inverse, if Tulsa Schools got more money from property taxes from Tesla, due to state funding balancing it would lower the amount going to Tulsa schools from the state and freeing state allocated money for other districts.

  9. #109

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdizzle View Post
    How do schools get their funding? Isn't it somewhat based off where property tax dollars go? If so, the Tulsa schools will get a huge boon from this, hurting OKC schools even more. There is one. OKC has no projects or prospects like this in the pike to help balance out something like this...
    It used to work that way. Can't remember when it changed. But now the state has a "forumula" per student. So all school funding goes to the state, and then is distributed to the districts based on ADA (average daily attendance). Economic development helps all schools. Obviously economic development helps other things too, and more localized.

  10. #110

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    It used to work that way. Can't remember when it changed. But now the state has a "forumula" per student. So all school funding goes to the state, and then is distributed to the districts based on ADA (average daily attendance). Economic development helps all schools. Obviously economic development helps other things too, and more localized.
    No, wrong.

    Property taxes are held in the district. The state formula is only used for state funding that goes on top of property taxes. Not all districts even get state funding if they have enough property taxes.

    https://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/c...b346bd83e.html

  11. #111

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    Everyone realizes a city being better than another city is 1000% subjective right?

    Like based on sports alone OKC >>>> Tulsa.

    Itís purely subjective and based on what matters to you.

  12. #112

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    Quote Originally Posted by gopokes88 View Post
    Everyone realizes a city being better than another city is 1000% subjective right?

    Like based on sports alone OKC >>>> Tulsa.

    Itís purely subjective and based on what matters to you.
    Exactly. There are many different metrics one could compare. Tulsa is better than OKC in a lot of ways, and OKC is better than Tulsa in a lot of ways. It's silly to be in a pissing match all the time. A rising tide lifts all boats. Tulsa growth won't stunt OKC's growth. Imagine if Oklahoma had two OKCs instead of one.

  13. #113

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    I don't see how Tulsa getting a Tesla factory could be bad for OKC. If they don't get it then it will go to Austin (most likely to happen). If they do get Oklahoma is known for a Tesla Factory as well as The Thunder, Bombings, and Football. Why does it matter to OKC if Tulsa prospers we should be happy for them. Hell it would be great if Tesla sponsored the Thunder and MLS Team moved to Tulsa and was sponsored by Tesla. It's more money for the state and more jobs.

  14. #114

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    [dream]
    Tesla builds in OKC or Tulsa, Tesla sponsors Thunder for the electric/lightning theme. The oil and gas industry here rebranded as being "energy" for the last decade. So why not?

    Oil, Gas, Wind, Electric.

    The energy capital of the country. Oklahoma.

    [/dream]

  15. #115

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swake View Post
    No, wrong.

    Property taxes are held in the district. The state formula is only used for state funding that goes on top of property taxes. Not all districts even get state funding if they have enough property taxes.

    https://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/c...b346bd83e.html
    My mistake, you are correct. But even in Tulsa county, these funds only amount to about 25% of the district's budget. The state will use funds to "equalize" the districts. 37% of TPS budget came from the state. If property taxes went up, the state would just cut it's funding amounts to the district (assuming all other factors were held constant...which is never reality).

    Now, I grew up near Frontier School District, in which the Sooner Power Plant was located. They are a tiny school, one of the last to still have dirt floors (allegedly) and then went to first class facilities almost overnight, entirely due to that plant. Things changed in the 90s. That plant is still there, but I presume that the district/county/whatever must send "excess" funds to the state, because their budget was cut dramatically upon passage of HB 1005. Is that how this works? Districts with excess budgets essentially send their tax dollars to other districts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Things changed in the 90s. That plant is still there, but I presume that the district/county/whatever must send "excess" funds to the state, because their budget was cut dramatically upon passage of HB 1005. Is that how this works? Districts with excess budgets essentially send their tax dollars to other districts?
    Read the article, no, that's not how it works.

  17. #117

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    Tesla’s Terafactory location now appears with a Texas address in the company’s in-car navigation, fueling deeper speculation that the future location for its next US manufacturing plant will be near the city of Austin.

    https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-tera...ps-navigation/

  18. #118

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swake View Post
    Read the article, no, that's not how it works.
    I read the editorial you linked to. I understand it to say only 14,000 students in the state of Oklahoma were outside of the equalization model in 2019? I don't see how a Tesla plant in Tulsa will disrupt the statewide student funding formula in any way.

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    Tulsa IMO has a very good chance of securing the Telsa Plant.

    If Telsa were going to Texas, you bet they would have already selected Austin. Texas isn't going to give any more incentives to lure Telsa and they know it. They are playing this game to see what they can get from Oklahoma. They know Oklahoma's track record on tax incentives thru the old Oklahoma City GM plant debacle.

    If we were to get this plant; it will be great for all of Oklahoma particularly the Tulsa, Muskogee and Bartlesville (Northeast Quadrant) would reap the benefits of employment and support from this huge mega plant.


    Let's not forget; Tulsa is on a barge canal transportation system Ports of Catoosa/Muskogee, an extra alternative that Austin doesn't have.

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    https://twitter.com/i/topics/news/e1...D&refsrc=email

    Telsa in Tulsa has a nice ring to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laramie View Post
    Tulsa IMO has a very good chance of securing the Telsa Plant.

    If Telsa were going to Texas, you bet they would have already selected Austin. Texas isn't going to give any more incentives to lure Telsa and they know it. They are playing this game to see what they can get from Oklahoma. They know Oklahoma's track record on tax incentives thru the old Oklahoma City GM plant debacle.

    If we were to get this plant; it will be great for all of Oklahoma particularly the Tulsa, Muskogee and Bartlesville (Northeast Quadrant) would reap the benefits of employment and support from this huge mega plant.

    Let's not forget; Tulsa is on a barge canal transportation system Ports of Catoosa/Muskogee, an extra alternative that Austin doesn't have.
    Bartlesville and Muskogee don't benefit much as it is now from being close to Tulsa. Instead, I see the east side suburbs booming even more, like Broken Arrow, Owasso and Claremore. They're closer and most people don't want to drive to work any further than they have to.

  22. #122

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    Bartlesville and Muskogee don't benefit much as it is now from being close to Tulsa. Instead, I see the east side suburbs booming even more, like Broken Arrow, Owasso and Claremore. They're closer and most people don't want to drive to work any further than they have to.
    The Black Fox site near Inola has been mentioned as a possible location. It was recently transferred from PSO to the Port Authority. The eastern half has a new Sofidel paper mill and as part of that development they built a rail spur to the Union Pacific main line. The western half of the site is still undeveloped and has plans for barge terminal facilities with direct access to the Verdigris River. The eastern suburbs of Tulsa are about 20 min away via Hwy 412.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    Bartlesville and Muskogee don't benefit much as it is now from being close to Tulsa. Instead, I see the east side suburbs booming even more, like Broken Arrow, Owasso and Claremore. They're closer and most people don't want to drive to work any further than they have to.
    This may be a shocker, but Bartlesville has a net influx of commuters on a given day, not the other way around. So I don't see this helping B'Ville one bit in terms of growing the community.

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    Austin is firmly in the lead but some blue blooded Tulsa friends tell me George Kaiser is becoming very very very active recruiting Tesla.

  25. #125

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    Oops! Good points, forgot about Broken Arrow (110,135) & Owasso (33,773) they are closer to Tulsa. They are two cities in the Tulsa MSA that has maintained substantial growth.

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