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    Default Memorial Road should be widened to 3 lanes on each side

    I know this has been discussed in multiple threads here, not sure if there is a dedicated thread.

    It seems as if with all the development lately, Memorial Road should have three thru lanes from Rockwell to Western and the turnpike should move their exits back a bit to allow for safer merging distances for folks that want to turn off these exits. A number of years ago the turnpike in this area was widened to three lanes however the exits were not changed. The traffic during rush hour and on the weekends on memorial has really gotten pretty bad.

    Does the city/turnpike authority have a plan in the near future to fix this?

    With Costco and Winco going in, it seems like the traffic jams on memorial are only going to get worse soon. Farther to the west on the Rockwell side with the Paycom/Farmers employees trying to leave work, it seems like it is a serious gridlock as well as the 2 lane road cannot handle a thousand or more employees with their own cars leaving at once.

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    Default Re: Memorial Road should be widened to 3 lanes on each side

    Memorial does not need to be 3 lanes. What needs to be done is add turn lanes into the shopping centers and at intersections, program the stop lights so there isn't dead time without any traffic moving through the intersection and add Texas turnarounds at applicable interchanges.
    Getting turning traffic out of the lanes and keeping traffic moving through intersections will make Memorial an easy and less aggravating drive.

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    Default Re: Memorial Road should be widened to 3 lanes on each side

    Memorial absolutely needs to be six laned and arguable 8 in between Penn and May.

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    Default Re: Memorial Road should be widened to 3 lanes on each side

    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    Memorial absolutely needs to be six laned and arguable 8 in between Penn and May.
    improving the inefficiencies in the road should be the first priority, but if this is done at the time in which they add an additional lane, i would not complain... my concern would be they add an additional lane and don't actually fix any of the inefficiencies, and it just makes the problem worse

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    Default Re: Memorial Road should be widened to 3 lanes on each side

    Quote Originally Posted by jedicurt View Post
    improving the inefficiencies in the road should be the first priority, but if this is done at the time in which they add an additional lane, i would not complain... my concern would be they add an additional lane and don't actually fix any of the inefficiencies, and it just makes the problem worse
    I agree. Turn lanes would go a long ways. OKC seems to still be widening roads in 2019 with no turn lanes. It makes no sense.

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    Default Re: Memorial Road should be widened to 3 lanes on each side

    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    I agree. Turn lanes would go a long ways. OKC seems to still be widening roads in 2019 with no turn lanes. It makes no sense.
    yep. so if i had to choose, i would choose turn lanes and turnarounds, and other improvements over adding lanes

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    Default Re: Memorial Road should be widened to 3 lanes on each side

    Quote Originally Posted by jedicurt View Post
    yep. so if i had to choose, i would choose turn lanes and turnarounds, and other improvements over adding lanes
    I think we should prepare for the future though as turn lanes will only increase capacity so much. At the very least with any project to add turn lanes should come with a beautification project as well as Memorial is a very ugly corridor due to the lack of landscaping or aesthetics; in doing this they should design it with making a future widening ready to go so it won’t require too much in the way of utility relocation and such.

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    Default Re: Memorial Road should be widened to 3 lanes on each side

    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    I think we should prepare for the future though as turn lanes will only increase capacity so much. At the very least with any project to add turn lanes should come with a beautification project as well as Memorial is a very ugly corridor due to the lack of landscaping or aesthetics; in doing this they should design it with making a future widening ready to go so it won’t require too much in the way of utility relocation and such.
    i'm defiantly on board with beautification.

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    Default Re: Memorial Road should be widened to 3 lanes on each side

    Half the problem is due to the off ramps being too close to intersections. Add an extra lane, you will have people trying to cross one more lane of traffic.

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    Default Re: Memorial Road should be widened to 3 lanes on each side

    Quote Originally Posted by jn1780 View Post
    Half the problem is due to the off ramps being too close to intersections. Add an extra lane, you will have people trying to cross one more lane of traffic.
    The ramps need to be switched so that the exit ramps are where the entry ramps are and vice versa. This gives drivers exiting Kilpatrick more time to merge. Why the OTA hasn’t done this is beyond me. Yet it is true simple things like this, turn lanes, and Texas turn arounds would increase the road capacity without adding a single through lane.

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    Default Re: Memorial Road should be widened to 3 lanes on each side

    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    The ramps need to be switched so that the exit ramps are where the entry ramps are and vice versa. This gives drivers exiting Kilpatrick more time to merge. Why the OTA hasnít done this is beyond me. Yet it is true simple things like this, turn lanes, and Texas turn arounds would increase the road capacity without adding a single through lane.
    They dont care. It would have to be pushed and probably paid by city.

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    Default Re: Memorial Road should be widened to 3 lanes on each side

    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    The ramps need to be switched so that the exit ramps are where the entry ramps are and vice versa. This gives drivers exiting Kilpatrick more time to merge. Why the OTA hasnít done this is beyond me. Yet it is true simple things like this, turn lanes, and Texas turn arounds would increase the road capacity without adding a single through lane.
    Quote Originally Posted by jn1780 View Post
    They dont care. It would have to be pushed and probably paid by city.
    Because that would cost $100 million or more just for the stretch west from Broadway Extension to the Hefner Parkway. OTA is pretty maxed out on bond capacity for some time because of Driving Forward. Also, I doubt there is much interest at OTA for doing this.

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    Default Re: Memorial Road should be widened to 3 lanes on each side

    Quote Originally Posted by rte66man View Post
    Because that would cost $100 million or more just for the stretch west from Broadway Extension to the Hefner Parkway. OTA is pretty maxed out on bond capacity for some time because of Driving Forward. Also, I doubt there is much interest at OTA for doing this.
    It certainly wouldn’t cost anywhere near that much for the OTA to just realign the ramps. They’re building a brand new 20 mile corridor for 300 million dollars. I bet it costs 20 million tops to realign the ramps.

    As for the OKC project, just adding turn lanes and Texas turnarounds wouldn’t be 100 million. My guess would be half that but I’m not sure. I just don’t think it would be 100 million to do that.

    Widening the road and going all in, yeah I could see a price range somewhere in 100-150 million for everything and IMO, it would be well worth it.

    Is there any word on how long it will take them to pay off those bonds? The ramp project should be small enough to where they could pay for it with toll revenue that isn’t used to pay off the bonds. I assume once all of the 3 new turnpikes open they will recover their money faster.

    On a side note I am anxious to see what their next round of projects will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jn1780 View Post
    Half the problem is due to the off ramps being too close to intersections. Add an extra lane, you will have people trying to cross one more lane of traffic.
    Absolutely. And keep in mind that the turn lanes have the same result. 240 is a good example of what can be done, but how it causes the runners across all lanes. There are turnarounds at each section between May and 35 as well as right hand turn lanes. So you end up with 5 lanes that an exit ramp person crosses to turn right. They have about 1/8 mile to do it, but those cars are in the blind spots of most vehicles because of the angle so it's VERY precarious switching between looking what's in front of you and what's behind/beside you as they jet across. Not to mention that the west bound May exit on 240 gets backed up for 1/4 to 1/2 mile with the frontage road being worse. So imagine the fun that those lane crossers cause/experience going through that mess.

    Memorial is far from unique in the city and isn't nearly as bad as people try to make it out to be. They just dont have perspective on what it's like in other areas of town that are far worse. Ever tried to go north on Sooner/240 in the morning? Try sitting in stop and go for a full mile. And with the Heart Hospital putting in their own light, that will get worse. I've never seen anything on Memorial be backed up to the next mile intersection regularly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bombermwc View Post
    I've never seen anything on Memorial be backed up to the next mile intersection regularly.
    Memorial at May, Penn, and Western are backed up just about a mile back each afternoon rush hour and is terrible to navigate. Having lived in the Dallas area for years and navigating that traffic, I think that a few simple traffic light adjustments could make a world of a difference at these and other intersections all across the city.

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    Default Re: Memorial Road should be widened to 3 lanes on each side

    Quote Originally Posted by MagzOK View Post
    Memorial at May, Penn, and Western are backed up just about a mile back each afternoon rush hour and is terrible to navigate. Having lived in the Dallas area for years and navigating that traffic, I think that a few simple traffic light adjustments could make a world of a difference at these and other intersections all across the city.
    I’m not sure how often it occurs(I’ll take your word for it), but last time I was in Oklahoma a couple months ago I saw traffic backed up for about a mile or so on the EB lanes of Memorial west of Penn. That is the first time I’ve ever seen traffic backed up like that anywhere in Oklahoma and I saw it happen multiple times when I was there.

    I do agree some modest improvements could go a long way.

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