I know it was 1978. I also said in my post that coming out as gay then would have been the political kiss of death. I never said it matters if he is gay or not - only his lying about it for political purposes. And yes, he knew he was gay then. He had already been caught at a state lodge by Reuel Little, a politician in his own right, cheating on Little’s daughter with a young man. I think it does matter and revisionism by excusing his deceptiveness because of any reason is just wrong.
To Dan, Your post was clearly referencing Pete’s and what I wrote. I am not a bigot. I said everything you and Pete said. I just don’t excuse lying at great lengths about it to just win political office.
Too many things go way back. Not being gay, the blatant deception which I can’t accept. We can agree on disagreeing about that. But I felt very much like my words were taken wrong by you and Pete both. I don’t care about his sexual orientation, but only feel his word means little when it comes to things about his life - straight, gay or otherwise. That’s why it matters - to me - today with these accusations.
OSBI now taking charge of the investigation:
https://newsok.com/article/5627176/o...tigating-boren
Mr. Blue Sky, my comments were more general in nature, as almost every article about these issues with Boren brings up the homosexuality angle, and thus conflates it with very serious allegations which could be criminal in nature.
I'm not a Boren apologist but just in general, I wouldn't judge anyone who was forced into denying being gay in the late '70s, particularly in Okahoma. And he was forced by his opponent. He didn't have the luxury of not denying, as that would have been equally devastating to his career and aspirations. And importantly, his sexuallity had no bearing on his qualifications for public office or anything else, so who was harmed?
While lying is never a good thing, there are degrees and this seems like a pretty minor transgression in the grand scheme of things.
^ I’d say even today in Oklahoma it’s a risky proposition to be openly gay in any role of power or authority. James Cooper in OKC really just now broke that ceiling, and time will tell if others can do the same.
Boren accuser praised him to investigators hired by OU
https://newsok.com/article/5627300/b...rs-hired-by-ou
The OU graduate now accusing retired President David Boren of sexual battery told investigators in February "that never happened."
"It's just been clear ... that there's just a political vendetta against him," Jess Eddy, 29, told attorneys for Jones Day, the law firm hired by the University of Oklahoma last fall to investigate allegations of sexual misconduct against Boren. "That's what's going on."
Eddy praised Boren, 77, for "the quality of his character."
"He was nothing ever to me but encouraging, supportive," Eddy said, according to a transcript of the 90-minute interview.
This story is written up in The NY Times
David Boren, Former University of Oklahoma President, Faces Sexual Misconduct Allegations
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/201...stigation.html
http://www.oudaily.com/news/alleged-...e765b91b2.html
Eddy said he believes the report was filed by Belinda Biscoe, senior associate vice president of university outreach, in November 2018. If Eddy’s allegation is true, the report came after months of personal and professional dispute between Biscoe and Eddy when they worked together from July 2017 to March 2018.
Eddy said he told Biscoe the details of Boren’s alleged misconduct in 2017 in a private conversation he never meant to be shared, and Biscoe was the only current university administrator who knew of Eddy’s story.
While Biscoe is a mandatory reporter under OU’s Title IX system, more than a year passed between the time Eddy said he told her about his alleged interactions with Boren, and the November 2018 Title IX report.
By way of backround, people in positions where they are deemed mandatory reporters under Title IX are required to report 'as soon as they become aware' of an incident.
Why would this woman report this a full year after she was allegedly told about it?
Am I taking crazy pills? Why can't you understand this? She wasn't going to make this public when Boren was her boss. Do we agree on that? Because to me that's pretty easy to see.
So, you think since he resigned August 1st that she should have made this public August 2nd? Waiting until November, which is only three months, is just too long for you?
Yes, because law states she is REQUIRED to report as soon as she was made aware.
So even if you want to use the excuse you are providing (which is highly speculative and still does not absolve her) then she had zero excuse to wait three more months.
And a reminder, the non-reporting of similar issues at Penn State caused the university president, their footballl coach and lots of others to lose their jobs.
I happen to believe at least some of these allegations against Boren are likely to be true.
But there is also a separate issue of why this is coming out now, especially given everything else that has been happening at OU with Gallogly and the regents.
Probably not the right thread. But, I wonder if any of this post Boren saga is related.
https://newsok.com/article/5631228/s...s-ou-president
Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't pick a school based on some ranking/listing. And if I did, it wouldn't be the 45th one down the list. I could see choosing a top 10 school, but I feel like when you're getting much lower on the list than that, you'd be looking at other factors. It's not like OU is an unknown quantity.
Also, the numbers that were fudged were a very small percentage of the total ranking.
Any impact on the final rank had to have been very minimal.
That lawsuit looks like a waste of time and money, and I suspect there is more to the story.
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