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    There are tons of possible sites on the southside but Funk obviously has his mind set and for some reason the big projects just have to be downtown.







    Site #1: In the Wheeler District area. Wheeler is focused on the first phase without any real plans for the second phase east of Western and a new plan around a soccer stadium could be had. This is my least favorite option but it is there.

    Site #2: Closest to Capitol Hill with the most influence(due to proximity). Requires buying a few properties and demoing none of which are historically significant or architectural interesting and they are arguably blighted. This is probably my favorite spot. It would require the densest and most compact stadium(footprint) but seems like a MLS level stadium could exist. The blighted 25th St. serves as an industrial area and arguably the city should have more compacted industrial parks. It could stand to loose a few and the businesses relocate to existing ones.

    Site #3: A chance to turn an industrial street into a mixed-use with several great buildings that could be restored. The remaining metal buildings are cheap and easy demo with land costs likely not too high. Great catalysts for a new urban area outside of downtown and giving life into a stagnant part of town.

    Site #4: Former Crossroads Mall. Complete tear down of the buildings in the area and a huge potential for a new urban district with a possible commuter rail stop and working with OkDOT for better access under the adjacent interstate to interstate interchange rebuild gives a great location. Has the means to be a huge boost and great infill not contributing to urban sprawl. Other deals could be worked to develop millions of SF of retail(a bigger Oak), another regional draw(Medieval Times/world class aquarium, etc.), thousands of new residential units, etc.

    Downtown already has momentum and this stadium could also be a great real estate tool in addition to bringing soccer for the fans. It gives something an undeserved part of the city can truly be proud of and brings more money to it. The Strawberry Fields and Lumberyard site will develop just fine without this stadium, albeit likely taking longer but not nearly as long as it will for these sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pryor Tiger View Post

    I think Wiley Post would absolutely bring Capitol Hill into the mix.
    I understand but judging by Funks already negative tone on it(the only location he's said anything bad about) and the fact they will be taking away a highly used park makes the location a bit iffy.

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    Really like the Crossroads site. Already tons of parking, so no new parking footprint should be needed. Good chance to improve the area. Will be connected to future transit. Close highway access.

    Just lots going for that site really.

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    ^^^^ It is prime for redevelopment. Unfortunately the Hispanic targeted retail aspect didn't work out for one reason or another but this can be a huge multicultural draw and boon for the area. Lot's of redevelopment and land opportunities to build the Crossroads Urban District and build a new POI outside of downtown.

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    also, in the unlikely scenario MLS ever does come, it's the best site with enough expansion room for a bigger stadium.

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    There is a scroll on espn that Saint Louis was awarded a franchise today.

    https://www.stltoday.com/sports/socc...50042175f.html

    The St. Louis ownership group, led by Kindle Betz and World Wide Technology CEO Jim Kavanaugh, has proposed a primarily privately funded 22,500-seat stadium next to Union Station on Market Street just west of downtown.

    So why do we need to completely fund the stadium for the Funk's? Do they not have the cash to pay for it? Do they not want to? Just curious.

    I think we also have to realize that the ship has pretty much left the dock for MLS, so the stadium if built will be for the USL team

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    Problem with Crossroads is that there's nothing else around it. There are only minimal hotels on 240 and you really have to go to Moore to "do" anything else. So the city loses out on people eating nearby and maybe a trolly between parking/eating/soccer (and back)/etc. Lot's of intangibles that are indirectly tied to it being on the NORTH side of the river.

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    There is room and a road network already setup for new restaurants and hotels right next to the old mall. It’s a good site for a “build it and they will come” approach.

    There are plans for a rail link that would connect both Moore and Bricktown 2, which would make it a good option for eating in one place and catching an event in another.

    Building the Stadium where it can benefit from already existing amenities is nice. But past MAPS projects have also been the drivers for new development. How many restaurants are in Bricktown because Foot traffic from the Peake brings in business? Building at the mall could result in a greater economic impact than building somewhere “safe”.

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    I hate the idea of a suburban stadium. Farmers Market and Coop might be my two favorite ideas. Putting the stadium west of downtown would be a boom for that end and Coop runs the risk of being empty for years if the stadium isn’t put there (it’s also an blank canvas). Just south of the river isn’t bad either. Crossroads ain’t it

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    https://deadspin.com/report-mls-will...let-1837269624

    "Perhaps more importantly, St. Louisís MLS team has what appears to be a pretty solid stadium deal that shouldnít rob the cityís taxpayers blind in its construction. Compared to FC Cincinnatiís terrible stadium deal, the plans for St. Louisís new venue are downright generous. After asking for $80 million and then $60 million from the city to build the downtown stadiumóboth of which were rejected, the first through political maneuvering and the latter in a public vote by a 53-47 marginóthe ownership group came back with a deal that would require no public funding whatsoever. Additionally, the stadium would be owned by the city, and its maintenance costs would be covered by a tax on tickets and items sold within the stadium. Remember that the next time billionaires cry poor and try to guilt a city into giving them free money."

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    Quote Originally Posted by worthy cook View Post
    https://deadspin.com/report-mls-will...let-1837269624

    "Perhaps more importantly, St. Louis’s MLS team has what appears to be a pretty solid stadium deal that shouldn’t rob the city’s taxpayers blind in its construction. Compared to FC Cincinnati’s terrible stadium deal, the plans for St. Louis’s new venue are downright generous. After asking for $80 million and then $60 million from the city to build the downtown stadium—both of which were rejected, the first through political maneuvering and the latter in a public vote by a 53-47 margin—the ownership group came back with a deal that would require no public funding whatsoever. Additionally, the stadium would be owned by the city, and its maintenance costs would be covered by a tax on tickets and items sold within the stadium. Remember that the next time billionaires cry poor and try to guilt a city into giving them free money."
    I wish OKC had more philanthropic billionaires. But we don't, so these are the hands we are dealt. And OKC doesn't really try to build more billionaires, either.

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    Even if we have to put public money for a small stadium, I live with it. Coop seems the smartest way to go.
    But let s not fool ourself with the MLS and their expansion fee nobody in OK will pay.
    30 teams is too much for a soccer league which to be top tier any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worthy cook View Post
    https://deadspin.com/report-mls-will...let-1837269624

    "Perhaps more importantly, St. Louisís MLS team has what appears to be a pretty solid stadium deal that shouldnít rob the cityís taxpayers blind in its construction. Compared to FC Cincinnatiís terrible stadium deal, the plans for St. Louisís new venue are downright generous. After asking for $80 million and then $60 million from the city to build the downtown stadiumóboth of which were rejected, the first through political maneuvering and the latter in a public vote by a 53-47 marginóthe ownership group came back with a deal that would require no public funding whatsoever. Additionally, the stadium would be owned by the city, and its maintenance costs would be covered by a tax on tickets and items sold within the stadium. Remember that the next time billionaires cry poor and try to guilt a city into giving them free money."
    I havenít seen the details of the deal, but it looks like the owners are FINANCING the deal for the stadium, not donating it to the city. Big difference. Letís wait and see how the financing is to be repaid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    I haven’t seen the details of the deal, but it looks like the owners are FINANCING the deal for the stadium, not donating it to the city. Big difference. Let’s wait and see how the financing is to be repaid.
    the owners won't want to "own" the staduim they will want to control the staium .. . making in a public building saves them the property taxes .. the dallas cowboys stadium ATT is owned by the city of arlington but fully operated by Jerry jones ..and the cowboys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    I havenít seen the details of the deal, but it looks like the owners are FINANCING the deal for the stadium, not donating it to the city. Big difference. Letís wait and see how the financing is to be repaid.
    The owners of Enterprize/National Car rental are paying for the STL Stadium. They are investing right around 500 mil. for stadium and expansion fee. I think the city of Stl is giving the land. But no taxing the citizens for the stadium or the upkeep. Sounds like a sweet deal for Stl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bombermwc View Post
    Problem with Crossroads is that there's nothing else around it. There are only minimal hotels on 240 and you really have to go to Moore to "do" anything else. So the city loses out on people eating nearby and maybe a trolly between parking/eating/soccer (and back)/etc. Lot's of intangibles that are indirectly tied to it being on the NORTH side of the river.
    If you built a stadium and made it mixed use in design I bet periphery things would start to happen. The cool thing about crossroads in this scenario is that the old mall is ringed by those other business spaces that could quickly get filled up with restaurants and such...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKCRT View Post
    The owners of Enterprize/National Car rental are paying for the STL Stadium. They are investing right around 500 mil. for stadium and expansion fee. I think the city of Stl is giving the land. But no taxing the citizens for the stadium or the upkeep. Sounds like a sweet deal for Stl.
    The deal is backed by significant tax breaks and other yet unresolved city financial support. And, there are promises of city maintenance and other costs. The financing deal has not been completed. There is still concern for the amount of money it can potentially cost the city.

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    This is being presented as a "gift" to the city, when the citizens are being asked to pay for 100% of it. Great spin! This gift will be another building the taxpayers will be asked to pay to maintain.

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    We argue aboutt $50 million in city investment. Meanwhile Austin is expanding its public facilities by billions. We are left to wonder why Austin has moved so far ahead of us. Lol. https://austin.curbed.com/2019/8/12/...-rate-increase

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    We argue aboutt $50 million in city investment. Meanwhile Austin is expanding its public facilities by billions. We are left to wonder why Austin has moved so far ahead of us. Lol. https://austin.curbed.com/2019/8/12/...-rate-increase
    Austin has a proven track record of using these improvements to get 1,000's of new citizens and jobs in town. OKC doesn't, and may never have that draw. So we can't even compare with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny d View Post
    Austin has a proven track record of using these improvements to get 1,000's of new citizens and jobs in town. OKC doesn't, and may never have that draw. So we can't even compare with them.
    Right .... letís aim low and maybe we can hit it. We talk big league and act small town Oklahoma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Right .... let’s aim low and maybe we can hit it. We talk big league and act small town Oklahoma.
    But we don't talk big league! Every single project that has any public involvement gets ripped to shreds on this board! I actually think the city should fund this stadium. But I also think there are better projects to help increase jobs and QOL.

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    There is no reason our hotel tax shouldn't be higher. Look at your hotel bills when you are in other cities next time. We refuse to put some tax on the hotels because the higher ups in the city are scared it would hurt tourism. FALSE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Right .... letís aim low and maybe we can hit it. We talk big league and act small town Oklahoma.
    +1. MAPS is the best thing OKC has put forth to even try and compete with cities of our same comparables. Everyone squabbling about one part of the package and stating they'll vote "no" if "X" is included is comical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aDark View Post
    +1. MAPS is the best thing OKC has put forth to even try and compete with cities of our same comparables. Everyone squabbling about one part of the package and stating they'll vote "no" if "X" is included is comical.
    +1

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