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  1. #1351

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    US Senate is a "state race"?
    no. that is a federal race. i was talking about elections for state legislatures. people support those that will help them the most in the moment, regardless of what party they are.

  2. #1352

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedicurt View Post
    no. that is a federal race. i was talking about elections for state legislatures. people support those that will help them the most in the moment, regardless of what party they are.
    So you're making the same point I did then? Still confused. Name a single Dem that would support a 1/100 Senate seat for the other party. Heck, name a R that would do it the other way. They don't exist. You think the Koch brothers are supporting Dems because they might help their business? You think Steyer is gonna get caught up in something like this? No way.

  3. #1353

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    So you're making the same point I did then? Still confused. Name a single Dem that would support a 1/100 Senate seat for the other party. Heck, name a R that would do it the other way. They don't exist. You think the Koch brothers are supporting Dems because they might help their business? You think Steyer is gonna get caught up in something like this? No way.
    US Senators that are Democrats that received political donations from one Donald J Trump dating back to 1997.
    Charles Schumer, Kirsten Gillibrand

    at least according to the FEC

  4. #1354

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    it really does happen all the time... especially if you go back to the 90's.

  5. #1355

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedicurt View Post
    US Senators that are Democrats that received political donations from one Donald J Trump dating back to 1997.
    Charles Schumer, Kirsten Gillibrand

    at least according to the FEC
    He was a Democrat. Even registered as one. We've been over this numerous times on this forum even. He even has some liberal leanings to this day, all though somehow miraculously they have largely been repressed.

  6. #1356

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    You think the Koch brothers are supporting Dems because they might help their business?
    since 1996 KochPac supported the following Democrats

    Rep. Jim Cooper of Tennessee ($15,000 from 2004-08)
    Rep. Jim Costa of California ($7,000 since 2016)
    Rep. Henry Cuellar of Texas ($49,000 since 2004)
    Rep. Collin Peterson of Minnesota ($131,500 since 1996)
    Rep. Kurt Schrader of Oregon ($11,000 since 2016)
    Rep. David Scott of Georgia ($13,000 from 2008-10)
    Rep. Mike Thompson of California ($22,500 from 1998-08)

  7. #1357

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedicurt View Post
    since 1996 KochPac supported the following Democrats

    Rep. Jim Cooper of Tennessee ($15,000 from 2004-08)
    Rep. Jim Costa of California ($7,000 since 2016)
    Rep. Henry Cuellar of Texas ($49,000 since 2004)
    Rep. Collin Peterson of Minnesota ($131,500 since 1996)
    Rep. Kurt Schrader of Oregon ($11,000 since 2016)
    Rep. David Scott of Georgia ($13,000 from 2008-10)
    Rep. Mike Thompson of California ($22,500 from 1998-08)
    sorry... none of those are Senators, i know... but all Dems

  8. #1358

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhiAlpha View Post
    Well to speak for those 26 year olds...prior to Obamacare going live, my premium at 25 was $130 per month that covered all my prescriptions entirely, $20 doctor copay, $40 specialist copay, and $100 emergency room visits. 5 years later for the closest coverage option available to what I had initially, my premium ballooned to $650 per month, my prescriptions (which were the same) cost an additional $100 per month, $40 doctor copay, $60 for specialists and $900 for emergency room visits. In addition, during those 5 years of constant price increase, I had to change doctors and pharmacists twice and went to an emergency room that previously was covered but came to find out after treatment...was no longer covered that year...and was stuck with a $2000 ER bill. It has been much, much worse for my dad and my stepmother. There are discounts available for certain income thresholds but those thresholds are disproportionately low compared to how much premiums have increased and how much of the middle class is subjected to the full price premiums. I don't mind paying double what I was originally paying (maybe a little more) if that means three other people have healthcare that saves their lives...BUT FIVE TIMES MORE for WORSE COVERAGE is completely ridiculous and unfair to most of the middle class.

    The previous system wasn't perfect, especially in regard to it's handling of preexisting conditions, but there were a ton more options that were all cheaper and better than what's available on the marketplace now. From a healthy young person's perspective... I 100% blame the Obama administration for the complete nightmare that health insurance has become. Most current 26 year olds were likely never in position to have to cover themselves until recently and if they don't know any better...probably think Bernie is going to be a savior for them and I'll fully admit that I'm disappointed in Trump/Republicans handling of it so far, but we've seen what more government control has done and it's just created really expensive, sub-par coverage options...even for low risk people. I'm not sure what the answer is but Bernie's isn't it.

    I also like how Bernie and Warren want the government to pay for college and healthcare but at the same time want to ban oil and gas exploration on government land. The federal government gets massive bonus payouts from BLM lease auctions and receives a 12.5% (and sometimes more) royalty on production from onshore federal lands and all offshore production. It doesn't really make sense to cut a massive source of government funding while at the same time, promising to pay for everything. If I were promising to pay for so many things...I would not also be promising to cut multiple revenue sources. I think some of the things everyone wants are possible, but partisanship ruins it. You can't on one hand say you want free college and healthcare and on the other say you want to be a virtue signalling environmentalist and ban something that is a major source of revenue for the government. Not to mention that banning fracking across the board (which he says he wants but can't actually deliver on..even with the help of congress) would make utility prices for the average american skyrocket.

    It's shocking to me that I can calmly explain this in detail as one of my reasons for voting for Trump over more of the same with Hillary as I thought the opportunity for a change of direction on Healthcare vs. more of the same was the better play...and have still been screamed at by friends with emotional arguments like but but but....you want someone like that, that says mean things on twitter running the country??? Yes...over someone like Obama who made that happen to healthcare premiums. "Well you have to be a racist, bigot and agree with everything he says then!!!!" When people that I'm friends with can't even have a levelheaded discussion with valid points other than "he's mean" it's gone to a point that you can't even have a conversation with the other side anymore. And then you have idiots like BChris constantly going off on tangent conspiracies that Trump was only elected because of crazy religious people that hate gays, immigrants and everyone that isn't white...who make a very small minority of the republican party at this point which has taken a more moderate stance on most social issues...and don't listen when anyone that actually voted for him explains their reasoning for voting for him. Insane times.
    Was the insurance you had that provided superior coverage for a superior price purchased on the open market or was it employer group coverage?

  9. #1359

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    US Senate is a "state race"?
    There was a , between "Republicans" and "especially". Technically Senate races are chosen by individual states anyway.

  10. #1360

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    So you're making the same point I did then? Still confused. Name a single Dem that would support a 1/100 Senate seat for the other party. Heck, name a R that would do it the other way. They don't exist. You think the Koch brothers are supporting Dems because they might help their business? You think Steyer is gonna get caught up in something like this? No way.
    Easy.
    Capitol Briefing - Lieberman Contributed to GOP Senate, House Candidates
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cap..._to_gop_s.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersey Boss View Post
    Was the insurance you had that provided superior coverage for a superior price purchased on the open market or was it employer group coverage?
    The pre Obamacare plan was on the open market, the post Obamacare plans were the equivalent that was provided on the marketplace

  12. #1362

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersey Boss View Post
    Easy.
    Capitol Briefing - Lieberman Contributed to GOP Senate, House Candidates
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cap..._to_gop_s.html
    He was an independent, one who had just jettisoned the DNC in fact.

  13. #1363

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhiAlpha View Post
    The pre Obamacare plan was on the open market, the post Obamacare plans were the equivalent that was provided on the marketplace
    When my wife and I first graduated college we got what I would consider a "catastrophic" coverage plan. The deductible was pretty high but the premiums were really low. Obviously that was a strageic decision a couple of 20 somethings would make that my now mid to late 30's self would never make. However, getting the equivalent of what we had then would cost on average 3x what we paid (which was certainly less than $150/month, possibly below $125/month). it was a bare bones policy, however, at our age and health, we didn't need more than that. We really were only worried about something major, not the day-to-day.

  14. #1364

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    Hints coming out for a Bloomberg/HRC ticket. Please say no!

  15. #1365

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    He was an independent, one who had just jettisoned the DNC in fact.
    Your take is not correct, due to leaving out relevant facts. Your ommissions lend to a revisionist take.
    He was an independent who caucused with the D party in Senate, just like Sanders and King. Additionally he was a registered D even when he was elected to his last term. Unlike King and Sanders who were not reistered D. He never changed his status as a registered D. So if he was registered as a D, he was a D.
    Lastly he lost his last Senate primary in Conn. so he decided to do an end a round, nothing to do about the DNC.
    End of story. He was a registered D, sitting senator, contributing to GOP senate candidates.
    Stop with your revisionist history to rationalize your take. It's wrong.

  16. #1366

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugofbeer View Post
    Hints coming out for a Bloomberg/HRC ticket. Please say no!
    Wow, that would be a complete disaster for the Left.

  17. #1367

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck5815 View Post
    Wow, that would be a complete disaster for the Left.
    True. None of the priors chose her as running mate, tells you something.

    Side note, Mini Mike would need to hire trusted food tasters.

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