2020 Presidential Race

[Eric]

There are some people out there, many lets say, that also have blinders on. Trump is bad to them. Nothing about him is good. Nothing he does is good. They write "articles" like this...that make me wonder if editors are a thing @ Salon.

Does anyone doubt that Donald Trump inspired the New Zealand massacre? @ Salon

[PhiAlpha]

There are some people out there, many lets say, that also have blinders on. Trump is bad to them. Nothing about him is good. Nothing he does is good. They write "articles" like this...that make me wonder if editors are a thing @ Salon.

Does anyone doubt that Donald Trump inspired the New Zealand massacre? @ Salon

I was just waiting for someone to blame Trump for that.

[TheTravellers]

^^^

I don't get the reasoning of either one of you - the killer himself said it, according to this quote from the article, so yeah, Cheeto is partly to blame (another quote from the article - The president of the United States gives both permission and encouragement for public's behavior, values and norms. This is true both in the United States and around the world. He or she is that powerful.), straight from the killer's mind to his hand typing that quote out:

According to various reports, the alleged terrorist specifically cited President Trump as an inspiration. His online manifesto praises Trump as “a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose.”

[PhiAlpha]

^^^

I don't get the reasoning of either one of you - the killer himself said it, according to this quote from the article, so yeah, Cheeto is partly to blame (another quote from the article - The president of the United States gives both permission and encouragement for public's behavior, values and norms. This is true both in the United States and around the world. He or she is that powerful.), straight from the killer's mind to his hand typing that quote out:

According to various reports, the alleged terrorist specifically cited President Trump as an inspiration. His online manifesto praises Trump as “a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose.”

If trump had said that white people are the master race and all other people should be exterminated or something to that level, I would agree with you. But that hasn’t happened. He hasn’t said anything remotely similar to that.

[hoya]

That’s like blaming the Beatles for Charles Manson.

[chuck5815]

Except George W. Bush wasn't Donald Trump.

People living in Fox News land don't understand how much Trump is hated outside of his base.

And apparently the folks living in CNN land have forgotten the power of the encumbancy. Would have thought you learned that lesson in 2012. But perhaps not?

[bchris02]

That’s like blaming the Beatles for Charles Manson.

Or gay people for hurricanes like Republicans love to do.

[PhiAlpha]

Or gay people for hurricanes like Republicans love to do.

But they do tho?

[bchris02]

There are some people out there, many lets say, that also have blinders on. Trump is bad to them. Nothing about him is good. Nothing he does is good. They write "articles" like this...that make me wonder if editors are a thing @ Salon.

Does anyone doubt that Donald Trump inspired the New Zealand massacre? @ Salon

Because it's true. Trump has done almost nothing good for this country. The only credit I will give him is thus far keeping us out of war with North Korea. But overall, while Trump claims to be working for all Americans he's shown that he really only cares about his angry radical far-right base.

[Eric]

Because it's true. Trump has done almost nothing good for this country. The only credit I will give him is thus far keeping us out of war with North Korea. But overall, while Trump claims to be working for all Americans he's shown that he really only cares about his angry radical far-right base.

Thank you for continuing to be an example of what I am talking about.

[Midtowner]

If trump had said that white people are the master race and all other people should be exterminated or something to that level, I would agree with you. But that hasn’t happened. He hasn’t said anything remotely similar to that.

There are good people on both sides.

[Eric]

There are good people on both sides.

You should go back and read/listen to the interview before you make the point you are trying to make.

[TheTravellers]

Because it's true. Trump has done almost nothing good for this country. The only credit I will give him is thus far keeping us out of war with North Korea. But overall, while Trump claims to be working for all Americans he's shown that he really only cares about his angry radical far-right base.

And rich white people.

[TheTravellers]

That’s like blaming the Beatles for Charles Manson.

Hilarious retort.... If Charles Manson had written a manifesto that said "The Beatles are paragons of white identity and helped me figure out how to start a race war" (or something a bit more discreet than that, but with that same intent), then yes, The Beatles could be blamed for Charles Manson, but as it stands, your statement is ridiculous.

Again, as the Salon article said, "The president of the United States gives both permission and encouragement for public's behavior, values and norms. This is true both in the United States and around the world. He or she is that powerful."

Done here, this doesn't belong in this thread anyway.

[chuck5815]

And rich white people.

Oh, did rich black people not get a tax cut?

i must have missed that part of the new tax law.

[mugofbeer]

^^^

I don't get the reasoning of either one of you - the killer himself said it, according to this quote from the article, so yeah, Cheeto is partly to blame (another quote from the article - The president of the United States gives both permission and encouragement for public's behavior, values and norms. This is true both in the United States and around the world. He or she is that powerful.), straight from the killer's mind to his hand typing that quote out:

According to various reports, the alleged terrorist specifically cited President Trump as an inspiration. His online manifesto praises Trump as “a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose.”

So, l guess l could go out and commit a bunch of horrible crimes because TheTravellers inspired me to do it through all his political rantings and mad article posting, and then say in my online manifesto that l did it because TheTravellers has become my symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose - that it would make him my accomplice and be at least partially responsible? Nice!

[hoya]

Hilarious retort.... If Charles Manson had written a manifesto that said "The Beatles are paragons of white identity and helped me figure out how to start a race war" (or something a bit more discreet than that, but with that same intent), then yes, The Beatles could be blamed for Charles Manson, but as it stands, your statement is ridiculous.

What?

You... you DO know that’s exactly what he did, don’t you? I thought everybody knew that.

Charles Manson told his followers that several White Album songs including "Helter Skelter" were a part of the Beatles' coded prophecy of an apocalyptic war in which racist and non-racist whites would be manoeuvred into virtually exterminating each other over the treatment of blacks.[36][37][38] Upon the war's conclusion, after black militants would kill off the few whites they would know to have survived, Manson and his "Family" of followers would emerge from an underground city in which they would have escaped the conflict. As the only remaining whites, they would rule blacks, who, as the vision went, would be incapable of running the United States. Manson employed "helter skelter" as the term for this sequence of events

Damn son, you fail history forever.

[hoya]

Hilarious retort.... If Charles Manson had written a manifesto that said "The Beatles are paragons of white identity and helped me figure out how to start a race war" (or something a bit more discreet than that, but with that same intent), then yes, The Beatles could be blamed for Charles Manson, but as it stands, your statement is ridiculous.

[betts]

Although I disagree with pretty much everything you’ve said here, I’ll just respond to a one where you’re really off base. Infanticide is a lie/buzzword being used to manipulate the gullible. While there are undoubtedly a few doctors willing to break the law, just like the people the president surrounds himself with, infanticide is both illegal and violates physicians’ Hippocratic Oath. Abortions after 20 weeks are extremely rare. We’re not going to debate abortion before 20 weeks, because that’s a separate issue. Infants are rarely viable before 24 weeks. Abortions after 24 weeks are phenomenally rare and are done if a baby has anatomic or genetic issues that are incompatible with life. If those babies are born alive (they will die no matter at what gestational age they are born), they will be kept comfortable until their inevitable death. Usually, parents hold them and grieve, as those were generally wanted babies. By 24 weeks, if pregnancy threatens the life of the mother, since the baby is considered viable, he or she is not aborted, but is delivered and sent to the NICU for further care. Before 24 weeks, if a pregnancy threatens the life of a mother, both mother and baby would die if the mother died, because the fetus can not survive outside the womb. Those abortions are also usually very tragic and the mother grieves, but who would be foolish enough to allow both the mother and baby to die? The only life that can be saved is the mothers’ in that setting.

In none of these circumstances is what happens infanticide. I hope that clears it up. If you want a little perspective into the suffering of a mother who has to undergo this type of abortion, please read:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...rtion.amp.html

[Quicker]

Although I disagree with pretty much everything you’ve said here, I’ll just respond to a one where you’re really off base. Infanticide is a lie/buzzword being used to manipulate the gullible. While there are undoubtedly a few doctors willing to break the law, just like the people the president surrounds himself with, infanticide is both illegal and violates physicians’ Hippocratic Oath. Abortions after 20 weeks are extremely rare. We’re not going to debate abortion before 20 weeks, because that’s a separate issue. Infants are rarely viable before 24 weeks. Abortions after 24 weeks are phenomenally rare and are done if a baby has anatomic or genetic issues that are incompatible with life. If those babies are born alive (they will die no matter at what gestational age they are born), they will be kept comfortable until their inevitable death. Usually, parents hold them and grieve, as those were generally wanted babies. By 24 weeks, if pregnancy threatens the life of the mother, since the baby is considered viable, he or she is not aborted, but is delivered and sent to the NICU for further care. Before 24 weeks, if a pregnancy threatens the life of a mother, both mother and baby would die if the mother died, because the fetus can not survive outside the womb. Those abortions are also usually very tragic and the mother grieves, but who would be foolish enough to allow both the mother and baby to die? The only life that can be saved is the mothers’ in that setting.

In none of these circumstances is what happens infanticide. I hope that clears it up. If you want a little perspective into the suffering of a mother who has to undergo this type of abortion, please read:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...rtion.amp.html

‘’Already, the Democratic Party platform states that it “will protect a woman’s right to safe and legal abortion” and enumerates no limits on that right. The party also favors removing federal limits on taxpayer funding for abortion procedures. The party’s standard-bearers are in lockstep on this point. During a presidential debate in 2016, Hillary Clinton repeatedly defended her opposition to a late-term abortion ban, claiming that it had not taken into account “the life and the health of the mother.” Her primary challenger Bernie Sanders declined to name any abortion restrictions he would support. Most of the Democrats running for the 2020 presidential nomination have already backed federal legislation that would override most state restrictions on third-trimester abortion.

Given the Democratic Party’s view of abortion rights, the legislation in both New York and Virginia expanding abortion access well into viability—all the way through the end of the third trimester—is best understood as a reaction to its palpable fear that President Donald Trump will reshape the courts to oppose modern abortion jurisprudence. At present, the Supreme Court’s decisions allow judges across the country to block abortion restrictions using nebulous standards, such as whether they impose a “substantial burden” on a woman’s right to obtain an abortion. These Democratic bills are an effort to shore up that existing framework and ensure that abortion rights remain available even late in pregnancy, no matter what happens to the makeup of federal courts.’’

‘’These bills represent some of the most lenient abortion policies in the country. Tran said her bill would allow a woman to receive an abortion at term, while in labor, and she offered no explanation of what potential maternal or fetal health complications would necessitate it. Defending the bill in an interview, Northam appeared to suggest that it would permit a physician to deny medical care to a newborn infant: “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...rights/581959/

[Quicker]

There are good people on both sides.

Are you really an attorney? I guess that actually explains a lot...

‘’CNN is lying to the American people, reporting many times in the past several weeks that President Donald Trump called neo-Nazis “very fine people” in the wake of riots in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017 — even though its own reporting at the time disproves that claim...’’

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...tesville-hoax/

[Quicker]

The problem for Trump in 2020 is that there isn't a lot of untapped white evangelical support he can drum up in the places he needs it. The election will be more similar to Bush v Kerry, except that Trump won't have the advantage of 9/11 or being perceived as a "war President" that Bush had. A social issues campaign focused on issues like abortion and LGBT, which I believe is what we will see, will likely increase Trump's margin of victory in Bible Belt states like Oklahoma but will lose him the election.

My prediction is that Trump doesn't get impeached but he loses in 2020. The only way Trump wins is if a third-party candidate splits the anti-Trump vote, which is actually quite plausible.

I’m not sure what happened in your life growing up but your history of posts makes it seem that you’re paranoid about about a religious zealot hiding behind every bush...but that’s just part of your delusion of painting all Republicans, conservatives and even centrist with the same broad demonizing brush... If we prefer Trump over the socialists on the left, we have to be dim witted, racist, homophobe ‘’worshipers of Trump’’...

As much as the left hates Trump, you don’t see the wave of resentment among the silent majority that’s coming... The collection of clowns fighting over who can be the most socialist is gonna make this election cycle a sh*t show for the ages... Watching the dems ripping each other and fighting over who can go the farthest left during the primary and then try to get back to being even moderately centrist in the general election is going to be very entertaining...but at least we’ve got a jumping off point.

The dems now have a platform and a new ‘’boss’’... The world is going to come to an end in 12 years unless we get rid of airplanes and cows and it’s okay to be racist if we’re just talking about Jews...

[TheTravellers]

What?

You... you DO know that’s exactly what he did, don’t you? I thought everybody knew that.

Charles Manson told his followers that several White Album songs including "Helter Skelter" were a part of the Beatles' coded prophecy of an apocalyptic war in which racist and non-racist whites would be manoeuvred into virtually exterminating each other over the treatment of blacks.[36][37][38] Upon the war's conclusion, after black militants would kill off the few whites they would know to have survived, Manson and his "Family" of followers would emerge from an underground city in which they would have escaped the conflict. As the only remaining whites, they would rule blacks, who, as the vision went, would be incapable of running the United States. Manson employed "helter skelter" as the term for this sequence of events

Damn son, you fail history forever.

Yes, I knew that, didn't know how official Manson made it, though, I'm not hugely knowledgeable about mass murderers/serial killers. So, yeah, by following that logic, The Beatles could be held responsible for Manson. There's a massive difference between The Beatles/Manson and Cheeto/NZ killer - The Beatles did not in any way say/do what Manson thought they were saying, whereas Cheeto most definitely promulgates the ideas that the NZ killer thinks he does.

[Eric]

Yes, I knew that, didn't know how official Manson made it, though, I'm not hugely knowledgeable about mass murderers/serial killers. So, yeah, by following that logic, The Beatles could be held responsible for Manson. There's a massive difference between The Beatles/Manson and Cheeto/NZ killer - The Beatles did not in any way say/do what Manson thought they were saying, whereas Cheeto most definitely promulgates the ideas that the NZ killer thinks he does.

No one else on this board is so sure they are right about things they are absolutely wrong or know nothing about.

Please enlighten us how Trump has been promulgating ideas of murder and white supremacy. You will be the first to prove this mind you.

[OKC Guy]

No one else on this board is so sure they are right about things they are absolutely wrong or know nothing about.

Please enlighten us how Trump has been promulgating ideas of murder and white supremacy. You will be the first to prove this mind you.

Keep in mind these are people who bought into fake Russia and some still cling today.

The leftist debates will be fun to see how far left they can go.