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  1. #176

    Default Re: Governor Stitt - Surprising Start

    Quote Originally Posted by jerrywall View Post
    I'm curious how he made it where it was his first signed law... Did he have other passed bills on his desk that he refused to sign until he got this one? Or is it just the first one through.

    Regardless, the law had zero affect of people doing this crap at restaurants. It did nothing to change the legality of them walking in with rifles (open carry has been around for 7 years now). Side note - these are the same asshats that try to walk into the court house filming everything and trying to cause conflicts with the police, and also walk into business with rifles and such. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1H...ygUSFDtbFLg5jA

    In this case, they were asked to leave, and evidently did so with no problems.
    Pretty much. It was one of the first, or the first things to pass house and senate and Stitt made a big show of it being his first bill to sign.

    And what this law did changed is the fact that someone who has never even shot a gun can go buy an AR and then walk around with it in public. BTW, this guy in the pic apparently has had a few VPOs against him and has made death threats to others before. Who doesnt feel all safe now?
    https://www.readfrontier.org/stories...thering-place/

  2. #177

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    I'm really confused at Stitt pressing the gaming compact business.

    I'd also like to know a few things that I think would clear up a few things that I think both sides are being slightly misleading on.

    First, the evergreen provision. Tribes claim the contract renews automatically even if no new contract is in place. That may be so, but nearly every contract I have ever seen had an "out clause" or whatever you want to call it. Essentially a way for one party to end the contract. That being said, depending on the type of contract, the hoops that had to be jumped through to end it varied, however I have never seen a permanent contract that renewed at intervals like this. Maybe this one really is unique.

    On this point, the tribes are acting like they have all the leverage. That may be. And I really don't see the state eliminating gaming or opening up to other operators. So in reality they likely do have the upper hand. But does the state even have it in their back pocket to put the hurt on Indian gaming?

    Second, and this will be subjective I'm sure, what was the impetus for Stitt thinking we needed to raise the fees/rates?

    Finally, how many contracts do we have like this that live beyond multiple sessions of congress? Is this normal? I guess maybe we do with Utility companies, but even they are reviewed regularly by Corporation Commission and the rates adjusted according to that bodies findings.

    I want to give Stitt the benefit of the doubt, but right now, I think he is misguided in this quest to raise gaming rates.

    One last thing, how much revenue does the state get from gaming. I can't see a specific number in the budget. I assume it is in the "other" bucket of revenue sources, which represented 8% of all revenue sources.

  3. #178

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    Let the tribes keep the contract they have, I'm ok with that part. The main thing is when we get sports wager in this state, that the state book every bet made. State pockets would fill up fast.
    Last edited by brian72; 11-15-2019 at 08:49 AM. Reason: cause

  4. #179

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    My guess is hes going after higher fees because the current fees are very low comparatively to other states. Tribes paid $139M on $2.3B of revenues, about 6%. This is a very low sin tax compared to alcohol, weed and tobacco and is much lower rates than other states with gaming. And then you have the screwy classes of gaming where some classes dont pay any fees due to weird technicalities.

    This is a very similar argument to the gross production tax. We had a relatively low rate and it needed to be adjusted to be more in line with other states.

    The state could dangle the sports betting as a carrot but I dont think its that big of deal to the tribes. Sports gambling could make them some money but its pretty small amount compared to what they get from slots and other floor games.

  5. #180

    Default Re: Governor Stitt - Surprising Start

    Where have you seen a comparison of other states gaming revenues they get from the tribes?

  6. #181

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersey Boss View Post
    Where have you seen a comparison of other states gaming revenues they get from the tribes?
    i recall an article somewhere not to long ago that talked about South Dakota making about 8% or maybe even 8.25% ... i'll see if i can find it.

  7. #182

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersey Boss View Post
    Where have you seen a comparison of other states gaming revenues they get from the tribes?
    Youíll see a comparison of Oklahoma to several other states in the first few paragraphs of this story: https://oklahoman.com/article/564706...te-gaming-fees

  8. #183

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    Thanks to the above 2 posters. While the Oklahoman did provide a few examples, I think that 25% is an outlier. I'd like to see a list of all states, tbf. Also to really compare the equity in compacts one would also have to know how much the tribes in other states as well as Oklahoma contribute to county,
    municipal governments and school districts.

  9. #184

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    Obviously it is debatable as to what the appropriate rate...considering states all over have different rates. I hear Minnesota actually has none. Could be wrong on that though. And I don't know the scope of gambling in Minnesota either.

  10. #185

    Default Re: Governor Stitt - Surprising Start

    Quote Originally Posted by Jersey Boss View Post
    Thanks to the above 2 posters. While the Oklahoman did provide a few examples, I think that 25% is an outlier. I'd like to see a list of all states, tbf. Also to really compare the equity in compacts one would also have to know how much the tribes in other states as well as Oklahoma contribute to county,
    municipal governments and school districts.
    i also would love to see that full comparison, because we are really taking a lot of this on faith of those talking... now, just based upon how Oklahoma typically operates, i would be willing to bet we are lower than the average, because we just always seem to be on everything when it comes to bringing in money.

  11. #186

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    Agreed with your points. I don't trust that the State is being forthcoming with all the facts as they have the biggest bullhorn. Stitt launching a broadside over this on the editorial page was a bad move.

  12. #187

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    I think he saw Trump go after NAFTA and figured he could do the same thing with the tribes. Of course, he had no idea how OK got casino gambling in the first place, so he wrote an op-ed in the Tulsa World without learning the facts first.

    You know Mexicans, Indians, same thing right? It worked for Trump, it oughta work for Tulsa Trump.

    It Stitt had a damn clue, he would realize that most of the Casinos are concentrated in the NE part of the state. That's his base.

    But best of all, Donald Trump stands on stage night after night saying "Bull****."

    Isn't that the same derogatory word people were implying when they said "Bull Stitt?" Remember all the outrage?

  13. #188

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    I agree with Stitt that rates should be raised and 25 percent seems okay(I honestly donít know how other states compare but this article says there are states that charge this) but overall the state needs more money and rates for gambling could stand to be raised a bit more.

    I have no opinion on the contract renewal issue as I know absolutely nothing about that.

    It looks like this is really heating up:

    https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/trib...b84c3b35e.html

    https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/chic...c4b52ed60.html

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