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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    Precisely. So no wonder the executive order provides an exemption to the Oklahoma Department of Commerce traveling for business-recruiting purposes. But if the governor wants to compete better with Texas in attracting business moves from California, he should advocate abolishing the Oklahoma state income tax. I would further suggest raising the state sales tax by .5 to help make up for it. If that isn't enough, there are probably other taxes to increase, or new sources, like from legalizing rec marijuana.
    And revising the tax code so property taxes can be used more by cities. This would give the state more room on the sales tax end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Shadow View Post
    Exactly. The California travel ban to Oklahoma was initiated in June of last year, due to our state's refusal to allow same sex couples to adopt children in DHS custody.
    That is not true. There is no ban on same sex couples adopting, and especially through DHS. What they did do was pass a law that allowed private organizations (like a Catholic church based agency) to still receive state grants and such, even if they won't adopt and foster to same sex couples. I can see an argument for both sides (although at the end of the day I'd prefer any private organization to have no discriminatory practices at all).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrywall View Post
    That is not true. There is no ban on same sex couples adopting, and especially through DHS. What they did do was pass a law that allowed private organizations (like a Catholic church based agency) to still receive state grants and such, even if they won't adopt and foster to same sex couples. I can see an argument for both sides (although at the end of the day I'd prefer any private organization to have no discriminatory practices at all).
    You beat me to the punch. My closeted libertarian causes me to be conflicted on proper role of government in these issues. Strict libertarian would let people do what they wish. The reasonable solution seems like it would be pull the funding for these organizations, but I have a feeling that many more would be hurt by that decision than retaining the status quo.

    I've never bothered to look, but in Cali, do Catholic charities not discriminate? of do they just not get funding?

  4. #304

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrywall View Post
    That is not true. There is no ban on same sex couples adopting, and especially through DHS. What they did do was pass a law that allowed private organizations (like a Catholic church based agency) to still receive state grants and such, even if they won't adopt and foster to same sex couples. I can see an argument for both sides (although at the end of the day I'd prefer any private organization to have no discriminatory practices at all).
    Thanks for the clarification, but that's how all this started. California actually passed a law in 2017 banning travel to states with policies that discriminate against LGBT citizens, so that's why they banned travel to OK in June 2018.

    Now the governor of Oklahoma wants to do the same thing because we're a Pro-Life state?

    Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but isn't abortion legal in Oklahoma, just like it is in CA? Does he know there are abortion providers in OKC and Tulsa?

    Of course he does, it's just another distraction for his knee-jerk base.

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    The difference is that California passed a new regulation requiring all insurance providers cover abortion. This is what the ban is about. Besides of course the stated tit for tat, which he admits.
    Last edited by jerrywall; 01-24-2020 at 01:50 PM. Reason: Removed unnecessary comment - let the corrections keep speaking for themselves

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    I’m generally impressed with Stitt but this California ban is as silly as it petty. Come on Stitt you’re better than this.
    Don't hassle me, I'm local.

  7. #307

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    Stitts office has not cited any new California action concerning insurance coverage for abortion.
    The coverage issue you mention was enacted in 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersey Boss View Post
    Stitts office has not cited any new California action concerning insurance coverage for abortion.
    The coverage issue you mention was enacted in 2014.
    It's been hitting headlines recently and getting visibility thanks to the Cheeto. Like I mentioned, Stitt admits tit for tat, but for the abortion part he's referencing, this is what he's referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stew View Post
    I’m generally impressed with Stitt but this California ban is as silly as it petty. Come on Stitt you’re better than this.
    San Francisco started it. It should have done the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugofbeer View Post
    And revising the tax code so property taxes can be used more by cities. This would give the state more room on the sales tax end.
    Property taxes are already unpopular enough as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    Property taxes are already unpopular enough as it is.
    There is a limit to how high you can raise sales taxes. OK needs an alternative since income taxes aren't going to ever be it.

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    Fuuuuddddgge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugofbeer View Post
    There is a limit to how high you can raise sales taxes. OK needs an alternative since income taxes aren't going to ever be it.
    An alternative means to find something new to tax. Services would be unacceptable but legal rec marijuana might be acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo Bill View Post
    Fuuuuddddgge.
    Right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo Bill View Post
    Fuuuuddddgge.
    I don't think conservative well off people, who are also fortunate enough to come from healthy families, such as Trump and Stitt, can relate to the need for any more help with health care from the government. They surely do a lot better job of relating to the need of tax cuts for the wealthy.

    Actually, the health situation doesn't concern me much, since I'm not on ObamaCare or need Medicaid. With that in mind, it also doesn't concern me much that the federal court case that may rule to abolish ObamaCare will probably not be decided until after the election. If a lot of people feel the same way, don't be surprised if Trump wins reelection.

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    You mean this guy's not even a real Cherokee?

    Imagine That.

    In an outgrowth of the dispute, several citizens of Mr. Stitt’s own tribe have voiced doubts about the governor’s family background, raising questions as to whether the governor has any Cherokee ancestry at all.

    According to tribal membership documents from 1900 reviewed by The New York Times and High Country News, Cherokee Nation lawyers fought the tribal enrollment of Mr. Stitt’s ancestor, Francis Dawson, who they claimed pretended to be a Cherokee and bribed Cherokee commissioners.

    Aside from Francis Dawson, Mr. Stitt has no documented Cherokee ancestry, according to David Cornsilk, a genealogist for the Cherokee Nation who did not speak on its behalf. The lawyer who assisted the Dawsons was later convicted and imprisoned for fraud. When the Cherokee Nation’s lawyers tried to remove the Dawsons from the tribe’s membership rolls, American officials overruled them.

    Cherokee Nation citizenship is not based on race, and Mr. Stitt is a citizen under the tribe’s law. When asked about the research of genealogists in connection to his family’s history, Mr. Stitt called the findings “unsubstantiated slander.”


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/u...a-casinos.html

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    This guy's been a f-ing joke since the beginning, not a surprise. What is a surprise is him saying "unsubstantiated slander" instead of "FAKE NEWS".

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    So bizarre that the Woke Left was perfectly chill with increasing taxes on the oil and gas industry, but is apparently not chill with asking the most predatory industry on earth pay its fair share in Oklahoma.

    Imagine That.

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    Who cares if he is legitimate or not, I dont think hes out there bringing up his tribal membership all the time. Or trying to use it in his gaming negotiations.

    What we do know is the tribes pay a very low gaming rate relative to all other states. We also know the state has $85 million less to spend this year than last year. Wonder where we could make up that money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onthestrip View Post
    Who cares if he is legitimate or not, I dont think hes out there bringing up his tribal membership all the time. Or trying to use it in his gaming negotiations.

    What we do know is the tribes pay a very low gaming rate relative to all other states. We also know the state has $85 million less to spend this year than last year. Wonder where we could make up that money?
    Rainy day fund; would that qualify or does it have to be raining

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Shadow View Post
    You mean this guy's not even a real Cherokee?

    Imagine That.

    In an outgrowth of the dispute, several citizens of Mr. Stitt’s own tribe have voiced doubts about the governor’s family background, raising questions as to whether the governor has any Cherokee ancestry at all.

    According to tribal membership documents from 1900 reviewed by The New York Times and High Country News, Cherokee Nation lawyers fought the tribal enrollment of Mr. Stitt’s ancestor, Francis Dawson, who they claimed pretended to be a Cherokee and bribed Cherokee commissioners.

    Aside from Francis Dawson, Mr. Stitt has no documented Cherokee ancestry, according to David Cornsilk, a genealogist for the Cherokee Nation who did not speak on its behalf. The lawyer who assisted the Dawsons was later convicted and imprisoned for fraud. When the Cherokee Nation’s lawyers tried to remove the Dawsons from the tribe’s membership rolls, American officials overruled them.

    Cherokee Nation citizenship is not based on race, and Mr. Stitt is a citizen under the tribe’s law. When asked about the research of genealogists in connection to his family’s history, Mr. Stitt called the findings “unsubstantiated slander.”


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/u...a-casinos.html
    He is a real Cherokee and you saying otherwise reflects more on you than anything else. It's offensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onthestrip View Post
    Who cares if he is legitimate or not, I dont think hes out there bringing up his tribal membership all the time. Or trying to use it in his gaming negotiations.

    What we do know is the tribes pay a very low gaming rate relative to all other states. We also know the state has $85 million less to spend this year than last year. Wonder where we could make up that money?
    He didn't run on it or anything. I think I recall him responding to a question saying he was registered, which is in fact true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck5815 View Post
    So bizarre that the Woke Left was perfectly chill with increasing taxes on the oil and gas industry, but is apparently not chill with asking the most predatory industry on earth pay its fair share in Oklahoma.

    Imagine That.
    This. I will announce up front that I am biased. I have absolutely no love lost for gambling. I think it is predatory and preys on human frailties. And rewards those who play unfair games with the public where the establishment owners always have the upper hand.

    I'm not advocating for it's banishment, but I will never give them the benefit of the doubt in any argument. I am biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck5815 View Post
    So bizarre that the Woke Left was perfectly chill with increasing taxes on the oil and gas industry, but is apparently not chill with asking the most predatory industry on earth pay its fair share in Oklahoma.

    Imagine That.
    I would counter that I am surprised that the "low taxes drive strong economic growth" group do not acknowledge that the lowest gaming tax state is Nevada (roughly equal to Oklahoma at 6%). And the success of those low taxes in driving the explosive Las Vegas growth over the last half century is a textbook example, which is being followed by Oklahoma tribes almost to the letter. And the Oklahoma casinos are an incredible success story because of those low taxes. Low tax Native American Casino profits are being reinvested in Oklahoma through brick and mortar expansion, local hiring, local purchasing, and service expansion into other entertainment ventures which make them attractive to more people for more reasons.

    Oklahoma tribes have taken control of their management and operations, Profit does not go to Las Vegas, like it does in Kansas, Colorado and other neighboring states.

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