2019 Oklahoma City Aviation Thread

[HangryHippo]

Josh Ryan - do you still participate here? I feel like I got screwed by airport parking and would like to file a complaint but I'm not sure who to contact. Can you please advise?

[catch22]

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/fil...nplanement.pdf

January numbers are in, 2019 off to a flat start.

[jonny d]

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/fil...nplanement.pdf

January numbers are in, 2019 off to a flat start.

To be fair, there has been a lot of crappy weather that may have an impact on travellers. Also, no new destinations recently to help increase desire to travel.

[LakeEffect]

Yay for Delta growth!

[HangryHippo]

Yay for Delta growth!

+1

[Downwind17]

Quite a few diversions from both DFW and DAL inbound to OKC right now (12:54pm 2/13/19)...no weather. FAA says traffic management program in affect due to "Other." Anyone know what the "Other" is. Pretty strange to see diversions with weather not in the DFW area.

[catch22]

I believe there was a fire at DFW TRACON (approach/departure control).

[LakeEffect]

I believe there was a fire at DFW TRACON (approach/departure control).

Yeah, smoke. Stop is lifted now. I did see an Alaska flight land, and I saw an AA 321 on Flightradar24...

[Downwind17]

I believe there was a fire at DFW TRACON (approach/departure control).

That would certainly qualify as "other." Very good, thanks for the info.

[Bits_Of_Real_Panther]

A friend whose flight arrives in OKC this afternoon said they were adding extra fuel and lining up a contingency airport due to wind before the flight took off

[Snowman]

A friend whose flight arrives in OKC this afternoon said they were adding extra fuel and lining up a contingency airport due to wind before the flight took off

While there is some exceptions to when an alternate destination must be filed on the flight plan, this pretty much the standard procedure for most flights anywhere, that they were even considering not implies the conditions were near ideal at the destination for at least an hour before and after planned landing time

[Jeepnokc]

Booked late tickets to FLL for spring break The cheapest ticket I could find on Delta was over 1000 each. Almost same flight times out of Wichita was just over $500 ticket. I am one of those that I like to fly out of my closest airport (Will Rogers is about 2 miles away) but for $2500 (5 tickets) I will drive.

I have been tracking DL fights out of OKC compared to Wichita and Tulsa and it seems that OKC DL flights are consistently higher than the other two. Does DL have that big of a hold on OKC?

Anyone familiar with Wichita airport as far as easiest reasonable place to park for a week?

[brianinok]

Booked late tickets to FLL for spring break The cheapest ticket I could find on Delta was over 1000 each. Almost same flight times out of Wichita was just over $500 ticket. I am one of those that I like to fly out of my closest airport (Will Rogers is about 2 miles away) but for $2500 (5 tickets) I will drive.

I have been tracking DL fights out of OKC compared to Wichita and Tulsa and it seems that OKC DL flights are consistently higher than the other two. Does DL have that big of a hold on OKC?

Anyone familiar with Wichita airport as far as easiest reasonable place to park for a week?

I fly Delta OKC-MSP on a relatively regular basis. Always a RJ, always full, and always over $500 pp no matter how far in advance you book and how odd of times you pick. Fares to Atlanta aren't bad usually, but Delta seems to be very happy with keeping supply very low and keeping an inferior product in OKC (CRJs rather than more ERJ-175 if they fly RJs on the route). This is one reason I am very frustrated that OKC leased them the new gates being built.

[jonny d]

I fly Delta OKC-MSP on a relatively regular basis. Always a RJ, always full, and always over $500 pp no matter how far in advance you book and how odd of times you pick. Fares to Atlanta aren't bad usually, but Delta seems to be very happy with keeping supply very low and keeping an inferior product in OKC (CRJs rather than more ERJ-175 if they fly RJs on the route). This is one reason I am very frustrated that OKC leased them the new gates being built.

Hopefully the lease comes with some guarantees from Delta.

[HangryHippo]

I fly Delta OKC-MSP on a relatively regular basis. Always a RJ, always full, and always over $500 pp no matter how far in advance you book and how odd of times you pick. Fares to Atlanta aren't bad usually, but Delta seems to be very happy with keeping supply very low and keeping an inferior product in OKC (CRJs rather than more ERJ-175 if they fly RJs on the route). This is one reason I am very frustrated that OKC leased them the new gates being built.

I want to stick with Delta as I think they're run very well, but damn, out of OKC they make it hard.

[ChaseDweller]

Booked late tickets to FLL for spring break The cheapest ticket I could find on Delta was over 1000 each. Almost same flight times out of Wichita was just over $500 ticket. I am one of those that I like to fly out of my closest airport (Will Rogers is about 2 miles away) but for $2500 (5 tickets) I will drive.

I have been tracking DL fights out of OKC compared to Wichita and Tulsa and it seems that OKC DL flights are consistently higher than the other two. Does DL have that big of a hold on OKC?

Anyone familiar with Wichita airport as far as easiest reasonable place to park for a week?

I've flown out of Wichita before for the very same reason ($$$). It's an easy airport for security, etc. When I was there (5 yrs ago), they had plenty of parking, but no long term covered parking. They may not have any covered parking at all. They may have added some or there may be 3rd party solutions, but I was fine parking outside for the 4-5 trip we took.

[catch22]

Sept 2019 UA extends 6x daily to DEN, upgrades one additional frequency to mainline (A320). 2x mainline now, both afternoon flights.

[HOT ROD]

^ sounds like simple supply and demand. OKC either has very high demand or lower supply; either of which drives up the price. ICT/TUL either has very low demand or (hard to believe) higher supply - low prices. Subsidy can also come into play, this is very likely true with ICT.

Therefore, I suspect OKC has high demand relative to capacity resulting in high yield (price) for this FLL market. Hopefully Delta can increase supply out of OKC in the form of more mainline or larger airframes OR (even better) perhaps AAL can open up OKC-MIA since the demand is there.

[Richard at Remax]

Is there any time for pushback to allow AA or SWA to use them?

[Questor]

[gopokes88]

Better

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/fil...nplanement.pdf

Really getting sunk by frontier basically pulling out.

[Celebrator]

Better

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/fil...nplanement.pdf

Really getting sunk by frontier basically pulling out.

Why do you think they are not successful here but Allegiant is?

[gopokes88]

Why do you think they are not successful here but Allegiant is?

Probably a better question for catch but their routes are just weird and no promotion. San Antonio and San Diego both failed. Not much business between the two. Didn’t capture the leisure market quite like they hoped I guess.

[BG918]

Is Frontier only flying to just DEN now?

[catch22]

They are unsuccessful pretty much everywhere. They add routes, and take them away just as quickly. They would have better luck going back to the old frontier model and providing at least daily, if not greater than daily service in markets. Going back to a hub and spoke.

They simply can’t maintain any level of consistent service to siphon passengers away from the real airlines. People try them once and hats it. Spirit used to be this way but have improved vastly.