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  1. #101

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    First, I don't care if the wall is built or not.

    BUT, how in the heck is this less likely to be built than say a federal highway, or sports facilities in Stillwater?
    The answer is in the source of the quote " Ambition must be made to counteract ambition".

  2. #102

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    Trump is losing badly.

    71% of Americans want the government reopened while negotiations continue. Which the Democrats have passed.

    Only 31% want the shut down to continue until Trump get his wall. Which is what Trump is doing. (apparently some people are stupid and answered both questions "yes")

    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/11/68430...ngest-in-histo

    And it's hurting Republican Senators up for reelection in 2020.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/pol...-senate-states

  3. #103

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    First, I don't care if the wall is built or not.

    BUT, how in the heck is this less likely to be built than say a federal highway, or sports facilities in Stillwater?
    Probably because it'd be a lot easier to show those things are for "public use" than a wall would be. That's kind of half the equation of the 5th Amendment, the other being "just compensation". It's probably not impossible to make the argument, but it's no slam dunk.

    But even with that, I'm sure there have been many challenges to those types of programs with various results. It's not like those projects happen without any resistance from private land owners.

    Really, the only thing that can be sure about a massive border wall along the southern border is that it would be a legal and logistical cluster.

  4. #104

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    Trump asking for a drop in the bucket to help stem the tide of illegals coming in. I mean it's seriously a drop in the bucket. I support him on this 101%

  5. #105

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    Ha ha. You might support him 101 %, but the country?
    Not so much. And that includes GOP senators, and reps. A dead end for a dead end loser.

  6. #106

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    How is the wall going to stem the tide? It would cover less than 10% of the border, so you could walk, swim or sail around it, tunnel under it, fly over it. We’ve already seen pictures of the wall having a hole cut in it with available tools. Most illegals actually arrive legally in the US and overstay their visa. A wall can’t fix that problem. Personally, I’d like to see that money spent on a variety of other things, including our aging infrastructure. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...amp/ncna730216

  7. Default Re: The Invasion From The South

    Quote Originally Posted by betts View Post
    Most illegals actually arrive legally in the US and overstay their visa. A wall can’t fix that problem.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...amp/ncna730216
    Yup. Republicans had ample opportunities to get what they wanted, but waited until Dems took over to bitch and moan about a made up crisis...
    The truth is never embarrassed by honest inquiry.

  8. #108

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustin View Post
    Yup. Republicans had ample opportunities to get what they wanted, but waited until Dems took over to bitch and moan about a made up crisis...
    In case you haven't been paying attention for the last few years, this is pretty common practice.

  9. #109

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    1958 TV show in which a character named Trump claims he can be the one to save everybody. He is proposing a wall. If that's not eerie the character threatens to sue a sheriff when his bluff is called.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trackdo...wrence-dobkin/

  10. #110

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    Quote Originally Posted by betts View Post
    How is the wall going to stem the tide? It would cover less than 10% of the border, so you could walk, swim or sail around it, tunnel under it, fly over it. We’ve already seen pictures of the wall having a hole cut in it with available tools. Most illegals actually arrive legally in the US and overstay their visa. A wall can’t fix that problem. Personally, I’d like to see that money spent on a variety of other things, including our aging infrastructure. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...amp/ncna730216
    Human beings are creatures that usually seek the path of least resistance. Well, we tend to have fences (or walls or whatever) near those places because they are natural routes into this country. Not many people cross in deserts and stuff because it is incredibly inconvenient. Which is why it isn't a "dumb" move for Trump to call for funding that only builds some more wall and not a complete wall. There is a reason much of the drug trafficking actually comes through the ports. Because it is convenient to cross their. Making it slightly more convenient would theoretically cause even more to bottle neck in through the ports. It's happened before so it's not like a giant leap to suppose it would happen again.

    And yes, people can damage and circumvent the wall, but again, it is generally to inconvenient for the vast majority of travelers. Walls are not 100% barriers. They are meant to hinder the crossing, and yes out right stop it in many cases. Border Patrol can't cover 100% of the border 100% of the time. but if they have aids, well, that helps.

  11. #111

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jersey Boss View Post
    Ha ha. You might support him 101 %, but the country?
    Not so much. And that includes GOP senators, and reps. A dead end for a dead end loser.
    We have a new all news cable outlet called NEWSY that appears to be owned by Scripts news service. Curious if it is available there? They did a 15 minute segment on how the wall does have significant support by people living and working near the border, including ranchers, residents, interviews with law enforcement and rank and file ICE agents. They also showed there is a sizable Latino population that supports the wall. A message stated multiple times is that most of America doesn't understand what it's like living in certain parts of the border area and having people sneaking through your property 24 hours a day while areas with newer segments of wall don't have that problem. Point being, the wall does work where it is newer and taller.

  12. #112

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    Quote Originally Posted by betts View Post
    How is the wall going to stem the tide? It would cover less than 10% of the border, so you could walk, swim or sail around it, tunnel under it, fly over it. We’ve already seen pictures of the wall having a hole cut in it with available tools. Most illegals actually arrive legally in the US and overstay their visa. A wall can’t fix that problem. Personally, I’d like to see that money spent on a variety of other things, including our aging infrastructure. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...amp/ncna730216
    There are many miles of border in areas such as the Big Bend area of SW Texas where it's unnecessary due to nearly impossible terrain and/or Canyons on the Rio Grande. There are also places where one would have to cross many miles of boiling desert where it's probably not needed and can be monitored as they do now.

  13. #113

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Nice to hear from you too. Sorry you are so offended when I call people on their ****. Find me all the articles when Toobin was clutching his pearls when Obama was writing legislation from the executive office and then maybe he will regain a bit of his credibility, and yours.
    He has no credibility. He's just a yapping, heel-biting little chihuahua who runs and hides behind the "ignore" sofa if someone looks at him, then creeps out to bark and call names when you turn your back. Then when you leave for a while he leaves Huffpo links on the floor.

  14. #114

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustin View Post
    Yup. Republicans had ample opportunities to get what they wanted, but waited until Dems took over to bitch and moan about a made up crisis...
    They never had the 60 votes needed to pass this type of bill If you need a reminder, this isn't a matter of a simple majority and since the Dems are committed to #resist Trump at all costs ratheir than do their jobs and govern, some that might have actually voted for border security under Obama can't do it now or risk being ostracized by the party.

  15. #115

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugofbeer View Post
    They never had the 60 votes needed to pass this type of bill If you need a reminder, this isn't a matter of a simple majority and since the Dems are committed to #resist Trump at all costs ratheir than do their jobs and govern, some that might have actually voted for border security under Obama can't do it now or risk being ostracized by the party.
    60 votes? The House bill that included wall funding at the end of December got all of 44 Yes votes in the Senate, it didn't even come close to 50.

  16. #116

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swake View Post
    60 votes? The House bill that included wall funding at the end of December got all of 44 Yes votes in the Senate, it didn't even come close to 50.
    But you and others still ignored the fact it needed 60 votes and Dems blocked that. Then you add in the Never Trumper NeoCons.

    Even if every Pub voted for it Dems did and would not. America majority wants the wall/security funded. Trump won’t cave. So expect Gov to be shut down for a long time.

  17. #117

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKC Guy View Post
    But you and others still ignored the fact it needed 60 votes and Dems blocked that. Then you add in the Never Trumper NeoCons.

    Even if every Pub voted for it Dems did and would not. America majority wants the wall/security funded. Trump won’t cave. So expect Gov to be shut down for a long time.
    First, No, Americans don't support the wall. Only 35% of Americans support congress passing a bill to fund the wall. Only 41% support more fencing of any kind.

    Only a paltry 25% now support Trump's closing government to get his wall. His numbers are going down.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1P223U

    And yes, the House bill would have needed 60 votes to close debate and then be passed, but that vote was never even held. First the bill needed 50 votes to just open debate in the Senate, which it never got close to.

    And again, 71% of Americans want the government reopened while negotiations continue. Which is what the current bill the House Democrats have passed does. But McConnell refuses even to allow that bill to be heard in the Senate.

  18. #118

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    n\m

  19. #119

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    In 2006, Schumer, Feinstein, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama voted for the secure fence act which called for 700 miles of fence on the Southern Border, What charged?

    Trump got elected


    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    ....I do have a plan on the Shutdown. But to understand that plan you would have to understand the fact that I won the election, and I promised safety and security for the American people. Part of that promise was a Wall at the Southern Border. Elections have consequences!

  20. #120

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    “If we do not control our own borders, then we do not have any immigration policy. We may have immigration laws on the books, but if anybody can cross the border who wants to, those laws are just words on paper and a bad joke.”

  21. #121

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    Can anyone expalain to a ”legal” immigrant why its fair to allow “illegal” immigrants into our great country?

  22. #122

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    A partial wall doesn’t control a border. A 2,000 mile wall would cost at least $70 billion and would not control the border, unless they’re planning on running it into the ocean. How far would it have to extend to keep a boat from sailing around it? How high is high enough? How do we prevent tunneling beneath it? How do we prevent people from flying into the US? Where there’s a will a money there’s a way. The Great Wall of China is impressive - I’ve hiked parts of it. Even pre-technology it didn’t work to keep armies out, much less individuals. Illegal immigration rates have been falling for the past 15 years,so currently technology seems to be working.

  23. #123

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    or why does Obama feel the need for a 10 foot security wall at his home with elevated guardhouse, metal barricades and his entire block off limits to all but local residents? lf a wall works for him, why is there an opinion out there that hoardes of thousands will be able to cross a 30 foot wall? Oh, its to keep uninvited people away.

  24. #124

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    Quote Originally Posted by betts View Post
    A partial wall doesn’t control a border. A 2,000 mile wall would cost at least $70 billion and would not control the border, unless they’re planning on running it into the ocean. How far would it have to extend to keep a boat from sailing around it? How high is high enough? How do we prevent tunneling beneath it? How do we prevent people from flying into the US? Where there’s a will a money there’s a way. The Great Wall of China is impressive - I’ve hiked parts of it. Even pre-technology it didn’t work to keep armies out, much less individuals. Illegal immigration rates have been falling for the past 15 years,so currently technology seems to be working.
    You keep bringing up the same points over and over and people answer it over and over. No one has said it will keep 100% out but it keeps the vast majority out where built to current standards. Border sherrifs, border agents, local. order TV news and border ranchers all have stated the wall works where it has been built but they get no MSM coverage. CNN was called out last week for refusing to run a piece they had requested themselves from San Diego KUSI that showed the wall does work.

  25. #125

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    There is technology to monitor tunneling since many have been found and destroyed. Flying over it? Don't be silly. Maybe they'll start catapulting over.

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