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  1. #26

    Default Re: Rerouting Oklahoma Avenue at U-haul/Boulevard

    Quote Originally Posted by OKCRT View Post
    The city should just go ahead and buy Uhaul out now. They deserve to be paid and that place is standing in the way of development. Pony up and pay them before spending even more redoing stuff already paid for.
    how do the "deserve" to be paid

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    Default Re: Rerouting Oklahoma Avenue at U-haul/Boulevard

    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderSooner View Post
    how do the "deserve" to be paid
    They deserve to be paid a fair price for their property. Then they should move out and let the proper development progress. I didn't say they should be overpaid. It appears that fair market price is not what the city wants to pay so they are going with a mickey mouse reroute instead.

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    Default Re: Rerouting Oklahoma Avenue at U-haul/Boulevard

    For being early adopters? Reading the tea leaves? Like the first few folks that took chances on Classen Ten Penn? If nothing else for preserving the building all these years, even if not out of historical preservationist altruism?

    I'm definitely on the side of U-Haul being out and that building getting restored to its historical luster, along with a through Oklahoma Avenue, but I definitely don't want to trample on property rights either, because, as stated, that can bite me later.

    If UHaul didn't buy this building when they did, there's a decent chance it doesn't still exist today. So, it seems not entirely unfair to assign some degree of deservedness when it comes to this property.

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    When Bricktown was coming up, U-haul spent big bucks on their building at the City's behest. So why should they cave in and move. More power to U-haul… Good for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rezman View Post
    When Bricktown was coming up, U-haul spent big bucks on their building at the City's behest. So why should they cave in and move. More power to U-haul… Good for them.
    I might be wrong but I thought they were willing to move and just wanted to be paid fair market value.

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    Default Re: Rerouting Oklahoma Avenue at U-haul/Boulevard

    Just let them be and drive around it. Stop with the fussing. They wanted more than the city could/would pay. So be it. Donít punish them, donít help them. Just let them be.

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    Default Re: Rerouting Oklahoma Avenue at U-haul/Boulevard

    Quote Originally Posted by rezman View Post
    When Bricktown was coming up, U-haul spent big bucks on their building at the City's behest. So why should they cave in and move. More power to U-haul… Good for them.
    What did they do?

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    Default Re: Rerouting Oklahoma Avenue at U-haul/Boulevard

    I wish the city would just sit on this for a few years without moving the intersection to see what happens. If and when U-haul sells the building for redevelopment we may suddenly be in a situation where they don't need the parking lot any more and Oklahoma Avenue can just go straight on through, at which point moving the intersection further west is going to have been a complete waste of money. Particularly since whatever development happens on the south side of the boulevard may fix the intersection in place on that side.

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    Default Re: Rerouting Oklahoma Avenue at U-haul/Boulevard

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Like everyone else, they are entitled to fair payment when the gov wants to take their property.

    In the end, the city wasn't willing to pay the amount determined by independent assessors appointed by the court.
    When they assess value is it purely just property value or do they take things like business interruption into account? Like if uhaul made less money as a result of the change, is that factored in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gopokes88 View Post
    When they assess value is it purely just property value or do they take things like business interruption into account? Like if uhaul made less money as a result of the change, is that factored in?
    I don't think they go that far but they definitely take into account improvements/changes that would be triggered by forcibly taking the property.

    In the case of U-Haul, it would involve completely relocating their entry from the east to west side and a bunch of other things. That's why the valuation was going to be so high and why the city backed out before they were obligated to pay the amount determinted by the independent commissioners.

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    Default Re: Rerouting Oklahoma Avenue at U-haul/Boulevard

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    What did they do?
    Remember when it was just an old tan painted building?. They spent almost $200k updating the building’s exterior in an effort to blend in with the surrounding new construction of Bricktown.

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    Default Re: Rerouting Oklahoma Avenue at U-haul/Boulevard

    Quote Originally Posted by rezman View Post
    Remember when it was just an old tan painted building?. They spent almost $200k updating the buildingís exterior in an effort to blend in with the surrounding new construction of Bricktown.
    Wait... that ugly cladding over the old brick building was done to fit in in Bricktown? Nice try. Thereís a great old building under there that they have made no effort to expose, rehab and enhance the look in Bricktown. All the public money spent on Bricktown has increased their property value exponentially with no help from them. Hard to feel sorry for them. But itís their right to take advantage of it.

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    Default Re: Rerouting Oklahoma Avenue at U-haul/Boulevard

    Quote Originally Posted by rezman View Post
    Remember when it was just an old tan painted building?. They spent almost $200k updating the building’s exterior in an effort to blend in with the surrounding new construction of Bricktown.
    Oooh, and it looks so good now. Money well spent. :

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    Default Re: Rerouting Oklahoma Avenue at U-haul/Boulevard

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Wait... that ugly cladding over the old brick building was done to fit in in Bricktown? Nice try. There’s a great old building under there that they have made no effort to expose, rehab and enhance the look in Bricktown. All the public money spent on Bricktown has increased their property value exponentially with no help from them. Hard to feel sorry for them. But it’s their right to take advantage of it.
    I’d love to see it restored to original, but like it or not. That’s what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gopokes88 View Post
    When they assess value is it purely just property value or do they take things like business interruption into account? Like if uhaul made less money as a result of the change, is that factored in?
    I know if the taking requires tenants to move, the City has to pay relocation costs. So if they had to close for reconfiguration, the City would have to pay to move everyone's items to a new facility.

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    Default Re: Rerouting Oklahoma Avenue at U-haul/Boulevard

    Quote Originally Posted by rezman View Post
    I’d love to see it restored to original, but like it or not. That’s what happened.
    Thatís the point. They arenít interested in improving the value of or enhancing the neighborhood. They donít have to be good citizens or altruistic. They are allowed to sit back and see their building increase in value because of all the public money spent making the whole neighborhood more valuable. It is their right.

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    Default Re: Rerouting Oklahoma Avenue at U-haul/Boulevard

    Exactly. They bought the building back in the mid 70's during a time when no one wanted it, and given the record this city has for tearing down old buildings, U-Haul likely saved it from the wrecking ball in the process. Could they have picked a better design in their make over?. Sure, but looks are in the eye of the beholder and have nothing to do with their rights to retain their property. I'm sure what you see now is about what they could do for the money at the time, which would accomplish even less today. And nobody was raising hell back when they did it. A restoration back to even close to original would have cost far more than $200k. It wasn't until property around U-haul started to become highly valuable did people become so interested in their property. So again, more power to them.

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    Default Re: Rerouting Oklahoma Avenue at U-haul/Boulevard

    Quote Originally Posted by rezman View Post
    Exactly. They bought the building back in the mid 70's during a time when no one wanted it, and given the record this city has for tearing down old buildings, U-Haul likely saved it from the wrecking ball in the process. Could they have picked a better design in their make over?. Sure, but looks are in the eye of the beholder and have nothing to do with their rights to retain their property. I'm sure what you see now is about what they could do for the money at the time, which would accomplish even less today. And nobody was raising hell back when they did it. A restoration back to even close to original would have cost far more than $200k. It wasn't until property around U-haul started to become highly valuable did people become so interested in their property. So again, more power to them.
    Ah yes, the ďit could have been worseĒ spin. I donít believe they bought the building to save it. It was a bargain

    It is owned by a out of state Llc (Phoenix) affiliated with UHaul International, bought in 2001. This is 8 years after Maps 1 passed. They didnít help create the value in the neighborhood and arenít enhancing it now. But they sure are able to take advantage of the neighborhood value built on the back of Maps.

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