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  1. #126

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    Illinois is the south?

  2. #127

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTravellers View Post
    Yay for the south!!!! Only decades behind and on the completely wrong side of history, OK included......

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b05ef4c22ac411

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b05ef4c22a7796
    The ratification deadline expired decades ago. At this point passing it is pretty much just virtue signalling.

    Now if Congress were to remove/extend the deadline, and those southern states still would not approve, then you might have a story. But at the moment it's kind of pointless.

    Kind of like saying why didn't you help that old lady across the street. And I would say there was no lady to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrywall View Post
    Illinois is the south?
    I was referring to the states that hadn't ratified it yet. And no, neither Utah nor Arizona are in the south, but the other 10 states are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    The ratification deadline expired decades ago. At this point passing it is pretty much just virtue signalling.

    Now if Congress were to remove/extend the deadline, and those southern states still would not approve, then you might have a story. But at the moment it's kind of pointless.

    Kind of like saying why didn't you help that old lady across the street. And I would say there was no lady to help.
    If one more state ratifies it, and the US Congress undoes the deadline, it would be added to the Constitution - that's "virtue signalling"?

  5. #130

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTravellers View Post
    If one more state ratifies it, and the US Congress undoes the deadline, it would be added to the Constitution - that's "virtue signalling"?
    Yes...

    Virtue Signalling is the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
    There is nothing actionable in what they just did.

    Ratifying a proposed amendment that has expired is virtue signalling.

    And you using it to bash states over the head as somehow backwards (through HuffPo) is rather unfair in my opinion.

    Now, if congress made the change and those same states still refused, then you may have something. Until then, it's a whole lot of nothing.

  6. #131

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    Oh hey, #metoo. I'm so woke now.

    Seriously people complain about Congress wasting time and then complain when legislators don't do something as meaningless as this. How consistent.

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    Wide-ranging interview with Chomsky about mostly Cheeto, but lots of other things, so posting it here...

    https://truthout.org/articles/noam-c...the-trump-era/

  8. #133

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    Not really sure where to put this and didn't think it necessarily warranted a new thread. But Charles Krauthammer passed last night. Prayers for his family for their loss.

    Krauthammer was one of the very VERY few people who really spoke his mind, throwing caution to the wind in regards to prevailing sentiment. Regardless of his point of view, he was always to be taken seriously because he never came to that point lightly. Always had extremely sound logic.

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  11. #136

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    Wow, Leader Pelosi is acting like a leader. When Nunes was acting like a water boy for the WH picking up reports than publicly claiming he was giving them to the WH there was no rebuke. When Trump proposes eleminating Immigration due process its crickets from the GOP. Cowards.

  12. #137

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    Yeah, Waters is way out of line on this.

  13. #138

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    I applaude Pelosi on this. She may have a bit more of her mind than I had thought.

    No doubt its unfortunate people in the R party don't have more ability to refute this President. I feel its extremely difficult to pin down the extent of his support among the population specifically for Trump. I don't know of anyone, myself included, who supports all of what he does - even on a common issue.

    Take immigration, for example, most Middles and Conservatives want the flow of illegal immigration stopped cold until a thorough immigration policy can be agreed to. Then, we're perfectly OK letting people in liberally according to the agreed-upon policy. The threat of terrorism simply requires we have to turn off the illegal spigot. The vast majority of conservatives are not anti-immigration just anti illegal spigot.

    So, while we may be in support of 0- tolerance until immigration policy is settled, we do not support splitting families. Simply don't allow entry.

    Without a clear understanding of who actually is in support for Trump vs. who is in favor of Republicanism, most R politicians are hesitant to go against him on a policy move. Trump's support is solid between 41 and 45%.

  14. #139

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swake View Post
    Yeah, Waters is way out of line on this.
    Thank you. A voice of reason out of the fascist resistance crowd.

    IMO Waters has called for violence against anyone supporting the Trump Administration and should be thoroughly investgated by the Secret Service. Further, she should be thoroughy sanctioned by Congress.

    The problem is people aren’t stopping there. A group ran the Attorney General of Florida and her family - children included, out of a children's movie about Fred Rogers - promoting anti-bullying and tolerance. People were calling her names and yelling what a terrible person she was with her children present. 2 members of Trumps administration were confronted and forced to leave restaurants with their families in the last few days.

    The left is simply becoming psychotic, hateful and intolerant simply because of political belief. Bondi, in Florida, is not even part of the administration.

    These actions, the endless barrage of anti-Republican "satire", lowlife comedians saying unbelievably vile and violent things about administrationmembers, members of Congress calling for impeachment and resistance - all with little protest from other members of the left, is soon going to get people killed.

    What Maxine Waters said was encouragement of violence. It was a statement of totalitarianism. It was a statement calling for political intimidation, supression of political viewpoint and discourse. What's going to be next in California and with the left? Signs in store windows or on houses identifying Republicans? Are Conservatives / non-Democrats going to have to wear Gold Stars on our clothes? When will restaurants start asking diners their political affilliations? Oh, thats already happening as are some businesses pretty much requiring a liberal political stance to work at a company. This whole confrontation thing is about to get scary because the left is taking up fascist tactics - yet want all those folks on the right to agree to gun control? People like Maxine Waters are the exact reason most people are going to resist gun control.

  15. #140

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    The projection that the left (nationally that is) has been exhibiting is quite stunning.

    Trump Country, it turns out, is more tolerant than the left @ WaPo

    While Trump may be all the things and more that people claim, the people that vote for him by and large are the exact opposite. This is perplexing to media types apparently who wonder out into the heathen country (the mid-west to the rest of us) and try their hardest to elicit these terrible behaviors that have been claiming for months on end that Trump supporters exhibit on a daily basis.

  16. #141

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugofbeer View Post
    What's going to be next in California and with the left? Signs in store windows or on houses identifying Republicans? Are Conservatives / non-Democrats going to have to wear Gold Stars on our clothes? When will restaurants start asking diners their political affilliations? Oh, thats already happening as are some businesses pretty much requiring a liberal political stance to work at a company. This whole confrontation thing is about to get scary because the left is taking up fascist tactics - yet want all those folks on the right to agree to gun control? People like Maxine Waters are the exact reason most people are going to resist gun control.
    This is something you are going to have to accept if you want businesses to be able to deny service to gay people simply because they are gay. Liberal businesses can deny service to people who disagree with their ideology if they so choose. You have that right. Liberals have that right. Fair is fair. This is definitely an example of conservatives not being able to take what they have been dishing out for years.

  17. #142

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    The projection that the left (nationally that is) has been exhibiting is quite stunning.

    Trump Country, it turns out, is more tolerant than the left @ WaPo

    While Trump may be all the things and more that people claim, the people that vote for him by and large are the exact opposite. This is perplexing to media types apparently who wonder out into the heathen country (the mid-west to the rest of us) and try their hardest to elicit these terrible behaviors that have been claiming for months on end that Trump supporters exhibit on a daily basis.
    It's because Trump himself is a walking and semi-talking insult generator and his policies and rhetoric are based in fear, hate bigotry and sexism.

  18. #143

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    Quote Originally Posted by bchris02 View Post
    This is something you are going to have to accept if you want businesses to be able to deny service to gay people simply because they are gay. Liberal businesses can deny service to people who disagree with their ideology if they so choose. You have that right. Liberals have that right. Fair is fair. This is definitely an example of conservatives not being able to take what they have been dishing out for years.
    Did Sanders ask them to make them conservative food, or go out of their way to do something different than they do for all their other patrons. No, she didn't. And that is the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swake View Post
    It's because Trump himself is a walking and semi-talking insult generator and his policies and rhetoric are based in fear, hate bigotry and sexism.
    When there are only two options (Trump & Clinton) is it really logical to assume the most extreme things about people that voted for either candidate. No it isn't. That's my point.

  20. #145

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Did Sanders ask them to make them conservative food, or go out of their way to do something different than they do for all their other patrons. No, she didn't. And that is the difference.
    It's only different in the mind of conservatives who apply a different standard to their tribe. Either businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason or they don't.

  21. #146

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    Quote Originally Posted by bchris02 View Post
    It's only different in the mind of conservatives who apply a different standard to their tribe. Either businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason or they don't.
    They don't have the right to refuse service for any reason. Whose claiming that. You know as well as I what the cake baker thing was about is different. If they had just walked in a bought a cake it would be exactly the same, but they didn't.

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    ^^ As a photographer and a web developer I have a right to refuse certain types of production. I should not be forced to produce BDSM or porn for example. I also have refused to work on websites (one being for an anti islam and homophobic organization). However, I can't refuse a protected class my standard work based on them. Only on what they order.

  23. #148

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    They don't have the right to refuse service for any reason. Whose claiming that. You know as well as I what the cake baker thing was about is different. If they had just walked in a bought a cake it would be exactly the same, but they didn't.
    Does it get tiring to be wrong?

    Businesses DO have the right to refuse service for any reason, except for various legally prohibited classes such as the disabled, or for race, color, religion or national origin and in some states sexual orientation. But those are classes of people, a business can refuse service to an individual they don't like, so long as the reason they don't like that person is because they are a member of a protected class.

    If a business doesn't like the behavior of Sarah Huckabee Sanders and wants to refuse service, as happened here, they have the complete right to do so. I personally don't think they should have done it, but they have that right.

    https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/t...-of-appearance

  24. #149

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    When there are only two options (Trump & Clinton) is it really logical to assume the most extreme things about people that voted for either candidate. No it isn't. That's my point.

    I assumed nothing about Trump's supporters with my statement, nor is my statement about them. I'm saying that Trump angers people on the left with his behavior. Angry people don't always act well.

  25. #150

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swake View Post
    I assumed nothing about Trump's supporters with my statement, nor is my statement about them. I'm saying that Trump angers people on the left with his behavior. Angry people don't always act well.
    Yet these angry people don't attack men or folks who could defend themselves. They threaten women and children. Cowards.

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