Oklahoma’s request for Real ID Act extension denied

[stile99]

Does anyone know how this will work with people who have a driver's license that doesn't expire for a while? Mine is good until 2019 and I'm assuming that by next year I won't be able to use it for flying.

That's been my question, and it hasn't been firmly answered but all signs point to "pony up the new full amount for a renewal or carry your passport".

[ljbab728]

That's been my question, and it hasn't been firmly answered but all signs point to "pony up the new full amount for a renewal or carry your passport".

That's not a problem for me, LOL. I'm the free license age bracket.

[jn1780]

Does anyone know how this will work with people who have a driver's license that doesn't expire for a while? Mine is good until 2019 and I'm assuming that by next year I won't be able to use it for flying.

It will take a couple of years to put all the measures into place, but now that Oklahoma is making an effort to get into compliance, the federal government is more likely to give another extension. So you may be fine with your license.

[bombermwc]

i believe you are able to go get a new one taken (have to pay for it) once the new system is all in place, but that the expiration date would just be what it was still. So just like if it's stolen/lost, you keep the same date, you just pay for a new piece of plastic. Far cheaper and less of a pain than getting a passport. I'd call your tag office to make sure on that once the rules have a chance to get settled in. Mine's up in July, so we'll see where they stand then.

[FighttheGoodFight]

Heard this morning on NPR that you will get the licenses from a central hub instead of a tag agency. Basically you have to prove who you are again then they mail you the new ID.

I forsee some long lines in the future.

[Martin]

Heard this morning on NPR that you will get the licenses from a central hub instead of a tag agency. Basically you have to prove who you are again then they mail you the new ID.

I forsee some long lines in the future.

[FighttheGoodFight]

Shawn Ashley: Well the federal REAL ID Act was passed back in 2005, but in 2007 the Oklahoma legislature decided that Oklahoma was not going to comply with it and passed a law prohibiting compliance. Much of the reasoning behind that law had to do with privacy concerns, that the information collected for our drivers licenses would be shared with other states, with the federal government and, ultimately, perhaps even foreign countries. Those concerns remained and even were a part of the discussions regarding House Bill 1845, which the governor did sign. Now that that bill has been signed, Oklahomans will not immediately get a REAL ID compliant license. Instead, what will happen is, sometime over the next several months, the Department of Public Safety will contract with a provider to do that work. What’s going to happen is our licenses are going to be centrally issued. Rather than getting them at your Department of Motor Vehicles, where you go to renew your tag and do things like that, it will be mailed to you from a central secure location. Additionally, as Senator Ralph Shortey, for one, warned on the Senate floor, for example, there will probably be some lines in that process. Like we have to do when we get our first driver's license now when we’re 16 years old, you’re going to have prove all over again who you are. So this process will take a little longer and then you will receive your license in the mail. Probably the process will begin in 2018.

Source:http://kgou.org/post/week-capitol-re...-credit-rating

[Martin]

yeah... the last time i went to the dmv was when i first got my license. that experience was enough for one lifetime. in fact, waiting in that forsaken line felt like a lifetime. i really, REALLY hope it does not turn out this way.

[jerrywall]

yeah... the last time i went to the dmv was when i first got my license. that experience was enough for one lifetime. in fact, waiting in that forsaken line felt like a lifetime. i really, REALLY hope it does not turn out this way.

The relevant section of the bill -

a.Application for an original REAL ID Compliant or REAL
ID Noncompliant Driver License or Identification Card
shall be made to the Department of Public Safety.

b. Department of Public Safety employees shall perform
all document recognition and other requirements needed
for approval of an original REAL ID Compliant or REAL
ID Noncompliant Driver License or Identification Card
application.

c. Upon approval of an original REAL ID Compliant or REAL
ID Noncompliant Driver License or Identification Card
application, the applicant may take the approved
application document to a motor license agent to
receive a temporary driver license or identification
card.

d. The motor license agent shall process the approved
REAL ID Compliant or REAL ID Noncompliant Driver
License or Identification Card application and upon
payment shall provide the applicant a temporary driver
license or identification card. A temporary driver
license or identification card shall afford the holder
the privileges otherwise granted by the specific class
of driver license or identification card for the
period of time listed on the temporary driver license
or identification card or the period of time prior to
the applicant receiving a REAL ID Compliant or REAL ID
Noncompliant Driver License or Identification Card,
whichever time period is shorter.

It's annoying, but no more so than getting a passport. The most annoying thing is having to go two places.

[d-usa]

I've had to go through more hoops to get my daughter enrolled in Pre-K at Deer Creek.

[jerrywall]

It should be noted that the DPS now lets you schedule appointments online, in advance. It does cost $3.75, but it makes the process so much nicer. We've used it for both of my sons' written exams and the eldest's driving test. You can book an appointment for just about any of their services.

[bombermwc]

So we're still not actually making progress on this....and 8 other states aren't really either.
https://www.ok.gov/dps/Real_ID_Enforcement.html

I dont really understand what's so difficult about making the changes here. We've been through the whole discussion about whether or not we agree with it. We've discussed WHY we disagree (although i would argue that once i pointed out what the law ACTUALLY said, there seemed to be a drastic silence in conversation. It's amazing what people decide when they actually READ the law instead of go by hear-say). But the point still stands that the federal law isn't going to change, and the list of states that are noncompliant keeps getting shorter. Which also means that the likelihood of continuing to get an extension gets smaller and smaller.

Hey, i've already got a passport, so this won't bother me at all. And i'll say again, if you are against the law, you better go get your passport now because you're going to have to have it in 6 months unless something big happens on Lincoln Blvd (and when does anything happen on Lincoln Blvd). And remember all those things you hated about the realid law (or at least you thought were part of it), well you're going to give that up plus a heck of a lot more when you get that passport. Congrats.

I know this seems like a rant, and it really is. If you disagree, im really not harping on you. My frustration is really with the legislature of Oklahoma that continues to be butt-backwards about so many things. Even when energy was skyrocketing, we still had a deficit. We're going on how many years of not doing anything but cutting hundreds of millions on budgets because we can't remove tax breaks on the companies that lobby to get people in office. Sounds a lot like the fed legislature right now too.

[TheTravellers]

So we're still not actually making progress on this....and 8 other states aren't really either.
https://www.ok.gov/dps/Real_ID_Enforcement.html

I dont really understand what's so difficult about making the changes here. ...

Wife converted from a contract employee for the Tourism Dept. to a temporary state employee, had to fill out multiple forms for OMES for direct deposit, had to take one to the bank to get *them* to fill out parts of it, needed to be faxed or mailed to the State Treasurer's office (she works from home, not at a state building, for this assignment). Then they do a test deposit of $0.01, *then* she finally gets paid. Every single company I've worked for across the country has had *one* form to fill out by me (no bank involved), just the basic info of name, address, account info, and boom, you're done. That's emblematic of what's so difficult about OK complying with REAL ID.

[jn1780]

Did you miss the news a few months ago about the compliance law being passed? It takes time to put those procedures into effect. The federal government will keep passing extensions now that there is actual progress being made on this. They keep granting extensions to states that give its residents the option to pick which type of license they want so its a safe bet they grant at least two more years worth of extensions.

[Jersey Boss]

It does not take over a decade to put these procedures into effect. You are being intellectually dishonest as the legislature is. Had the leadership in the state worked with the Federal government as the 32 states not needing this extension, there would be no problem. Don't take it for granted that the Federal government will keep giving the state government more and more extensions, especially when they are doing nothing to move forward on this mandate. A passport would be a good bet with the leadership representing the state.

[jn1780]

Am I missing something here?
http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagela...151a2ba25.html

The Department of Public Safety said the measure will be implemented within 24 months to 30 months of the state signing a contract with a vendor.

Oklahoma actually does something positive. No one reports on it. Go figure.....

And its intellectually dishonest to say no progress has been made on this. Its in the hands of the DPS now.

[stile99]

Am I missing something here?

Yes, at least two things. One, the fact that no vendor has been signed. Two, the fact that to my knowledge there is no current active search for one. Please read the part YOU quoted very carefully. Does it say after the department signs a contract, or after the state signs a contract? You claim the ball is in DPS's court, but that's false. If there's still any doubt, return to the article and read the sentence BEFORE the one you quoted.

[jn1780]

Yes, at least two things. One, the fact that no vendor has been signed. Two, the fact that to my knowledge there is no current active search for one. Please read the part YOU quoted very carefully. Does it say after the department signs a contract, or after the state signs a contract? You claim the ball is in DPS's court, but that's false. If there's still any doubt, return to the article and read the sentence BEFORE the one you quoted.

This quote from the DPS commissioner suggest otherwise.

“There have been many questions recently about Oklahoma’s status regarding REAL ID. DPS is actively working towards making Oklahoma REAL ID compliant and will use this time to gain compliance with the requirement. We strongly appreciate Governor Fallin’s leadership in signing REAL ID into law,” DPS Commissioner Michael C. Thompson said.

If you want to say Fallin is holding things back, I'll buy that argument. She is ultimately responsible for the enforcement of the law and the agencies. Legislatively, the DPS has everything they need to make this happen. The DPS would be signing the contract, that's how bureaucracy works. They may have already hired a consulting agency to help them implement this for all we know. The daily operations of a government agency is pretty boring to the average person and not likely to be reported on.

[bombermwc]

Yes, at least two things. One, the fact that no vendor has been signed. Two, the fact that to my knowledge there is no current active search for one. Please read the part YOU quoted very carefully. Does it say after the department signs a contract, or after the state signs a contract? You claim the ball is in DPS's court, but that's false. If there's still any doubt, return to the article and read the sentence BEFORE the one you quoted.

That's my problem...yeah they say they are finally moving on it at the capital, but only in words. No actions show that they actually are DOING anything. In order to sign with a vendor, first you have to have defined the requirements and started an active search. 10 years after the federal law was past, and we still dont have that. Sort of like the Republicans in Congress voting down the ACA for 7 years but not actually spending any of that time coming up with an alternative.

[Edmond Hausfrau]

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/01/76611...c_nGzp8xPoSrWI
Interesting article from NPR. Does anyone know what the status is with REAL ID for Oklahoma? Last I saw, it was still a work in progress.

[Jeepnokc]

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/01/76611...c_nGzp8xPoSrWI
Interesting article from NPR. Does anyone know what the status is with REAL ID for Oklahoma? Last I saw, it was still a work in progress.

From last night's news

https://kfor.com/2019/10/01/oklahoma...on-compliance/

[Jersey Boss]

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-receives-...id-extension.-heres-why-its-likely-not-enough/article/5568611
The fact is the mandate was implemented 10 years ago. What is so unique about Oklahoma that they are still out of compliance 10 years later? Oh yeah, wasting time and resources on unconstitutional social issues.

[Bunty]

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-receives-...id-extension.-heres-why-its-likely-not-enough/article/5568611
The fact is the mandate was implemented 10 years ago. What is so unique about Oklahoma that they are still out of compliance 10 years later? Oh yeah, wasting time and resources on unconstitutional social issues.

http://kfor.com/2017/10/19/oklahoma-...ntil-oct-2018/

[jompster]

At least we're good at kicking the can down the road indefinitely.

[KayneMo]

For any fellow Choctaw Nation members, the tribe will start issuing a new CDIB/Membership/Photo ID card in January 2018 that will be REAL ID compliant.