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  1. #51

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    How bad is it?

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    Not sure. Heard lots of equipment rolling and a bit later KFOR had a brief live shot with no on-scene reporting.

  3. #53

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    Does anyone have any update or idea as to what this will become? Much appreciated!

  4. #54

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    The preliminary plan is for apartments and retail.

    Should see more details soon.

  5. #55

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    The preliminary plan is for apartments and retail.

    Should see more details soon.
    Pete,

    Do you think the design will be much like Ben Seller's development down the street?

  6. #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    The preliminary plan is for apartments and retail.

    Should see more details soon.
    Thanks for the reply, Pete. Also, thank you for running OKC Talk. I'm a new member and it has been very exciting to explore this site and its invaluable information!

    I know Mr. Sellers is very busy at the moment but is there a timeline for development or any physical plans? Also, does anyone have any plans for the homes just west of this development on 16th? I live near the plaza so I'm very interested in any updates regarding the surround area.

    Thanks again!

  7. #57

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    Having recently talked to the Pivot Project guys (Ben Sellers, David Wanzer and Jon Dodson) about this, all they are saying is there will be multi-family and a commercial component.

    I think they are getting close to finalizing their plans.

  8. #58

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    Demolition started today!

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  9. #59

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    Here is the site plan with renderings set to be released next week.

    As proposed, will be 3 levels, 42 units plus retail / commercial along Classen.

    This is an AHMM design so it's bound to be interesting.


  10. #60

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    Is that like hightop seating on that patio??? That'd be pretty awesome.

  11. #61

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    Yep and I think it may be a brewery in that space.

  12. #62

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    Another brewery? That'd be awesome!

  13. #63

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    Can't wait to see the renderings. Drove up Classen this weekend and saw the Catholic Charities building and boy does it look great. Finally good to see some new construction, and can't wait to see what happens on this corner.

    Agree with AP, a brewery would be awesome.

  14. #64

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    Rendering of this project; shows how close it will be built to both Classen and 16th:


  15. #65

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    Perfect!

  16. #66

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    Fantastic. Total home run. Imagine Classen in 5 or 6 years time in this area.

  17. #67

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    Game changer for the look of that intersection and a much better gateway to 16th.

  18. #68

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    Wow.

    So many good things to say about this. Love the tall windows at the street level. Hard to see if any doors open out to Classen. I hope so, but even if not the height of the windows is enough to suffice.

    And am I dreaming or is/are those open air terraces at the top of the building at the corner? Cause if so, YYYEEEESSSSS!!!!!!

  19. #69

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    Parking stalls zoning decision
    By: Molly M. Fleming The Journal Record October 27, 2016

    OKLAHOMA CITY – Architect Adam Lanman thought he had enough parking for the NW 16th Street and Classen Boulevard mixed-use development. Planning Commissioner J. Michael Hensley didn’t.

    The commission moved the specific planned unit development application to the Nov. 10 meeting. During Lanman’s presentation, several questions arose about parking, building materials and zoning guidelines.

    Pivot Project developers David Wanzer, Jonathan Dodson, and Ben Sellers own the 1.1-acre site. The eclectic, colorful building that once sat there was demolished in August. Herman’s Seafood, Triple’s, and Marco’s Mexican restaurant once called the building home.

    The Pivot Project’s SPUD would permit a 55,683-square-foot multifamily building with first-floor retail and restaurant spaces. There are 48 residential units planned. The units are mostly one-bedroom with 10 two-bedroom places.

    Hensley said two-bedroom units require 1.5 parking spaces. He said there should be 77 parking spots. Lanman said in his experience with the Level and Mosaic mixed-use projects, not all the parking spaces are used. There are street parking spaces available as well for the retailers.

    “We also have a certain kind of user group that will rent these units,” Lanman said. “We think (those users) will be more bike-friendly.”

    Wheeler District Developer Blair Humphreys attested to Lanman’s claim that the parking spaces often go unused. He said a downtown parking study showed space occupancy reached 85 percent during busy nights. He said retail and residential use rarely overlap.

    Humphreys lives on NW 19th Street and gave his support to the project. He said he realizes it’s in the Gatewood Urban Conservation District, but that overlay was created 40 years ago. The area has changed, with the Plaza District’s popularity creating a need for more rental housing.

    Gatewood resident Charles Cheatham said the proposed four-story building exceeds the overlay’s 35-foot maximum building height.

    “This raises the permissible height by 20 feet,” he said. “I would be OK with three floors. But four floors is too dangerous a precedent to set.”

    Planning Commissioner Janis Powers said she’s concerned with how the proposal does not consider the Gatewood UCD.

    The commission’s other concern was about the materials. The staff report gave a six-item list of possibilities, but commissioner John Yoeckel asked to see something more definite.

    Wanzer said the budget is still being finalized, so specific materials haven’t been set yet.

    But the commission’s main concern seemed with the parking spaces. Dodson said some trees could be removed and then there would be 56 spaces. He said the developers have spent the last two months visiting neighborhood associations so residents could voice their concern on the project.

    “We’ve worked hard not to impact an area we care about,” Dodson said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Parking stalls zoning decision
    By: Molly M. Fleming The Journal Record October 27, 2016

    OKLAHOMA CITY – Architect Adam Lanman thought he had enough parking for the NW 16th Street and Classen Boulevard mixed-use development. Planning Commissioner J. Michael Hensley didn’t.

    The commission moved the specific planned unit development application to the Nov. 10 meeting. During Lanman’s presentation, several questions arose about parking, building materials and zoning guidelines.

    Pivot Project developers David Wanzer, Jonathan Dodson, and Ben Sellers own the 1.1-acre site. The eclectic, colorful building that once sat there was demolished in August. Herman’s Seafood, Triple’s, and Marco’s Mexican restaurant once called the building home.

    The Pivot Project’s SPUD would permit a 55,683-square-foot multifamily building with first-floor retail and restaurant spaces. There are 48 residential units planned. The units are mostly one-bedroom with 10 two-bedroom places.

    Hensley said two-bedroom units require 1.5 parking spaces. He said there should be 77 parking spots. Lanman said in his experience with the Level and Mosaic mixed-use projects, not all the parking spaces are used. There are street parking spaces available as well for the retailers.

    “We also have a certain kind of user group that will rent these units,” Lanman said. “We think (those users) will be more bike-friendly.”

    Wheeler District Developer Blair Humphreys attested to Lanman’s claim that the parking spaces often go unused. He said a downtown parking study showed space occupancy reached 85 percent during busy nights. He said retail and residential use rarely overlap.

    Humphreys lives on NW 19th Street and gave his support to the project. He said he realizes it’s in the Gatewood Urban Conservation District, but that overlay was created 40 years ago. The area has changed, with the Plaza District’s popularity creating a need for more rental housing.

    Gatewood resident Charles Cheatham said the proposed four-story building exceeds the overlay’s 35-foot maximum building height.

    “This raises the permissible height by 20 feet,” he said. “I would be OK with three floors. But four floors is too dangerous a precedent to set.”

    Planning Commissioner Janis Powers said she’s concerned with how the proposal does not consider the Gatewood UCD.

    The commission’s other concern was about the materials. The staff report gave a six-item list of possibilities, but commissioner John Yoeckel asked to see something more definite.

    Wanzer said the budget is still being finalized, so specific materials haven’t been set yet.

    But the commission’s main concern seemed with the parking spaces. Dodson said some trees could be removed and then there would be 56 spaces. He said the developers have spent the last two months visiting neighborhood associations so residents could voice their concern on the project.

    “We’ve worked hard not to impact an area we care about,” Dodson said.
    this is why we can't have nice things.

    correction... parking... parking is why we can't have nice things...



    Imagine the comparison... a 3-story building with the footprint reduced to accommodate 20+ more spaces... is it even still economical at that point with the reduced units due to height and footprint reduction?

  21. #71

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    WTF - “I would be OK with three floors. But four floors is too dangerous a precedent to set.”

  22. #72

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    I understand that it doesn't work like this, but realistically, Classen should be it's own overlay. Nothing that fronts Classen should be subject to overlays on one side of the boulevard or the other. If we want to cap Classen (or Classen between 23rd and 13th) at 4 stories, that's one thing...but to force Classen design standards to that of the surrounding areas is dangerous to the health of what could become the most important artery in Urban OKC.

    And if I'm interpreting the rendering correctly: you're okay with 3 stories, yea? Guess what's 3 stories...the 70% of the building that leads into the neighborhood. The only area that is 4 stories is what touches Classen.

    And parking being an issue is just ridiculous. Force the development to rent parking spaces if that's the issue and don't allow them to rent more than 50 to the apartments. If the developers then say "no no no, can't do that" then tell them they have a parking problem. But if the developers are planning on attracting non-car-owning tenants, then let them do that.

    Some problems easily solve themselves with just a very little bit of thinking.

  23. #73

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    What a depressing set of suburban complaints for an incredible urban project.

  24. #74

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    Here is another image from the presentation at yesterday's planning commission meeting.

    It shows the building is only 4 stories at the east end near Classen, as the property has a substantial slope.


  25. #75

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    Nevermind, upon looking at these renderings, that fourth floor does look dangerous. What is to stop it from toppling into traffic or the owners converting into some kind of sex shop?!?

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