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  1. #76

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    A blog post from Steve on this: Amazing Changes Ahead for Film Row? | News OK

    Assuming it all comes to pass as planned this should be really quite transformative. Makes me wonder what the condos in Building B will run.

  2. #77

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    Better than porn.

    What can I say that hasn't already been said? Simply amazing. The only project in OKC that can compete with this is the steelyard, and that is already in an established district. The ROI on this project for the surrounding area will be through the roof. This by itself makes me believe the county jail can be transformed in to something we wouldn't believe just because of its close proximity.

  3. #78

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    A blog post from Steve on this: Amazing Changes Ahead for Film Row? | News OK

    Assuming it all comes to pass as planned this should be really quite transformative. Makes me wonder what the condos in Building B will run.
    Someone should build a condo high rise in this area, maybe on Classen where that gas station is (that OCPS live at). That western edge has THE BEST skyline views, and will continue as such while the skyline extends westward and southward. In the 60s they truly talked about downtown bridging Penn to Lincoln. They were just a little ahead of their time (hence the exuberant urban renewal) but you can really see it when you drive down West Main or Linwood or even NW 10th (which is now developing).

    I could see something like a better-connected version of Dallas' Design District..

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    Looks like we also get a glimpse of what may be built on Lot 2, as labeled on Pete's map above, from one of the renderings of Building B. Another 5-story apartment/condo building with retail/mixed use on the bottom?

    With this scale of development being proposed, Film Row is about to be gettin' it!

  5. #80

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    Is any of this being funded by what would effectively be oil money? Mainly I'm just wondering if oil & gas prices going questionable places might derail it.

    Similar question, is there any chance it'll eventually come with a TIF request without which it'll be economically unfeasible?

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    This is an awesome project and I am not saying this to be negative but what is to come of the county jail being 2 blocks away? Anyone else see this as a huge detractor?...maybe by the time this all gets built out it'll be moved or repurposed?

  7. #82

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    Pete, I can now understand why you would think this would be the project that would make Dallas and KC jealous.

  8. #83

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie1 View Post
    This is an awesome project and I am not saying this to be negative but what is to come of the county jail being 2 blocks away? Anyone else see this as a huge detractor?...maybe by the time this all gets built out it'll be moved or repurposed?
    If we didn't have a corrupt county government there's a chance we could fund a new jail. It would be wise to wait until after corruption has died down (at least ten years) and probably after some petty offenses get somewhat decriminalized. The OK County Jail situation is just too big of a mess to really touch right now sadly.

  9. #84

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    Quote Originally Posted by Architect2010 View Post
    Looks like we also get a glimpse of what may be built on Lot 2, as labeled on Pete's map above, from one of the renderings of Building B. Another 5-story apartment/condo building with retail/mixed use on the bottom?

    With this scale of development being proposed, Film Row is about to be gettin' it!
    Yes, the two lots on the north side of Main will get similar development in terms of height and mix, with residences, structured parking and some retail/commercial space.

    Not sure of the time of those properties but I suspect they'll need them for staging. Right now staging for 21c is on the site of Building B

  10. #85

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    One thing I don't like about this proposal is the location of the dog park as a part of the C block.

    It fronts Classen and I had seen earlier drawings that showed commercial space there instead.

  11. #86

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    Boy oh boy, is FlashBack RetroPub well positioned.


  12. #87

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    What is the order of construction for all of this and the estimated completion dates? This is VERY cool.

  13. #88

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    I believe this will all happen in conjunction with the work on the music venue (officially named Jones Assembly) and the 21c.

    I believe the lots on the north side of Main will come later.

    They've already submitted applications to demolish on the buildings on Lots B, C and D and the property on the north side of Main.

  14. #89

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    WOW! That Taco Bell and Sonic are about to get alot busier...Now with all the development on all four corners of downtown. A downtown grocery store I can see being announced any day.

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    This looks really awesome, but... am I just looking at the plans wrong? Building B's "retail" on the first floor looks like it's about 3 feet deep.

    The restaurant and clubhouse in Building D also look cramped.

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    On that map, which lots are the police owned?

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    I am very pleased with what we know about this development so far. I think in the near term, Film Row has the most potential in OKC to get to critical mass and to be something truly special. With the recent announcements I think it will be there within 5 years. Unlike Midtown, Film Row already has great bones and placemaking, it just needs infill and activity to activate it.

  18. #93

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    On that map, which lots are the police owned?
    Pretty much everything shown in pink is owned by the Police.

  19. #94

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoyasooner View Post
    This looks really awesome, but... am I just looking at the plans wrong? Building B's "retail" on the first floor looks like it's about 3 feet deep.

    The restaurant and clubhouse in Building D also look cramped.
    Yea - those retail space are 10' deep. That isn't a lot of room. I guess they moved the parking to the corner to save the facades of the existing buildings but that isn't a good trade. I would rather see the living units moved down to the corner and put the parking garage mid-block. Parking should never be at the corner.

  20. #95

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just the facts View Post
    Yea - those retail space are 10' deep. That isn't a lot of room. I guess they moved the parking to the corner to save the facades of the existing buildings but that isn't a good trade. I would rather see the living units moved down to the corner and put the parking garage mid-block. Parking should never be at the corner.
    How deep are the retail spaces at Devon? It seems like it would be hard to do a lot with 10'. That being said, I don't think you could ask for better developers / equity partners than what this project has. I have 100% faith in their plans and know that this has been strategically planned out for a (relatively) long time.

    And as long as Flashback can last the 2-3 years for this project to be completed (which I don't think they will have a problem doing), I think that was a much smarter business move vs midtown.

  21. #96

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    The retail spaces in Building B are part of live/work units on the 2nd and 3rd floors.

    I believe the the idea is to have the 2nd level be either live or work; with 3rd floor being live.

    The idea being the 2nd level could also be incorporated into the retail/commercial space if desired.


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    Can someone explain to me what "Executive Suites" are? Is it basically large office space?

    Also, Pete, do you think the in future we could see a parking garage built behind Building B and more units built on the north and south side of the lot?

  23. #98

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    The property to the east of Building B is owned by someone else. Hall Capital owns the lots on the north side of Main and those will be developed in a similar fashion to this project; multi-story residential with structured parking and some commercial space.

    Executive Suites usually means a cluster of offices that are rented individually and share a common receptionist, conference room, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David View Post
    Is any of this being funded by what would effectively be oil money? Mainly I'm just wondering if oil & gas prices going questionable places might derail it...
    Assuming that the Hall family are the primary investors, while they do have energy investments that is not where most of their financial resources originated from. They are descendants of Fred Jones, who built an empire of automobile dealerships and manufacturing (specifically heavy in re-manufacturing of auto parts such as engines and transmissions).

    The current generation continued to build on this, and in the nineties were substantially invested in an experimental auto group that encompassed the entire metro, before selling their interest to Ford Motor Company at a substantial profit. The company is and/or has been involved in many other aspects of the automobile industry, including insurance, financial services to dealerships, and a massive parts distribution network. They are also heavily (though generally quietly) involved in real estate and venture capital.

    In other words, they are very diversified and extremely well-funded. Not sure about the overall investor makeup or the lending circumstances for this project, but I wouldn't worry too much about fluctuations in oil prices changing the Hall family's plans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    One thing I don't like about this proposal is the location of the dog park as a part of the C block.

    It fronts Classen and I had seen earlier drawings that showed commercial space there instead.
    Are you sure it's not on the rooftop, like at The Edge?

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