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  1. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by LocoAko View Post
    Not a record breaker (who even said that?), but it was absolutely colder than normal. A bit windier than normal, too.

    Edited to add: Didn't see Bunty's post above.

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    I wonder if the wind made it feel particularly colder to some of us. And it just seemed like the periodic warm spells we're used to that perk us all up stayed away. And I honestly wasn't sure spring was ever going to show up. It held onto winter until the very end. I am not sure if it was all that much colder but it seemed relentless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urbanized View Post
    Mind if I ask what's up with the handle and Rommel avatar? And yes, I do understand that he was not your typical Nazi.
    This is unrelated to weather but, he wasn't a nazi at all actually. He never joined the party. I just admire him as a military tactician, the same way I admire Napoleon, Alexander the great or Stonewall Jackson. I also like his general image
    Rommel worked extremely well with the limited resources Germany and Italy had..compared with the vast, virtually limitless resources of the British empire and America.

    Anyway, back to weather. Anon, is this looking like more of just widespread rain? Or by heavy rain you mean severe weather?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dessert Fox View Post
    Anyway, back to weather. Anon, is this looking like more of just widespread rain? Or by heavy rain you mean severe weather?
    It's Oklahoma. Anytime there is a chance of rain in the Spring it is usually going to carry the risk of severe weather.

    Instability begins to build in Monday, but conditions aren't really favorable for much of anything then. Tuesday's setup looks potent if anything can form. We are looking at a strong cap (5.1) and a pretty high convective temp to break it at 99.6°F. LCLs are a tad high as well, but if more moisture can work in than forecast and the cap breaks - this sounding is pretty textbook...

    Wednesday is another day that looks to be loaded all except for a strong cap still. CIN is lower and cap is weaker than Tuesday.

    Thursday has lower instability but a much weaker, and very breakable cap with a relatively supportive setup for severe weather.



    That's all for right now as I'm completely dead tired.

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    SPC has added a 30% risk area for Central and Western OK for Thursday.

    DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
    NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
    0400 AM CDT SAT MAY 03 2014

    VALID 061200Z - 111200Z

    ...DISCUSSION...
    DETERMINISTIC MEDIUM-RANGE MODELS /PRIMARILY THE GFS AND ECMWF/ HAVE
    COME INTO SOMEWHAT CLOSER AGREEMENT WITH RESPECT TO EVOLUTION OF THE
    WRN U.S. UPPER TROUGH AS IT EJECTS EWD INTO THE CENTRAL CONUS
    THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK. STILL HOWEVER...DIFFERENCES WHICH
    PERSIST -- PARTICULARLY FROM ROUGHLY DAY 6 ONWARD -- ARE EVEN MORE
    PRONOUNCED WITHIN MREF ENSEMBLE MEMBERS. AS A RESULT OF THESE
    FACTORS...OVERALL PREDICTABILITY CONCERNS LINGER WITH THE
    LARGE-SCALE PATTERN.

    WITH THAT BEING SAID...ENOUGH SIMILARITY BETWEEN THE GFS AND ECMWF
    EXISTS THROUGH DAY 6 SUCH THAT A FORECAST OF CONVECTIVE POTENTIAL
    WITH A REASONABLE LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE CAN BE MADE. ATTM...IT
    APPEARS THAT A SURFACE LOW WILL LINGER OVER THE CENTRAL HIGH PLAINS
    THROUGH MIDWEEK /I.E. DAYS 4-5/...WHILE PARTIALLY MODIFIED GULF
    MOISTURE SPREADS NWD. THE DEGREE OF MOISTENING HOWEVER APPEARS
    UNLIKELY TO BE SUFFICIENT -- GIVEN WARMTH OF THE EML ABOVE THE
    BOUNDARY LAYER AND LACK OF STRONG SYNOPTIC-SCALE UVV -- TO SUPPORT
    ANY MORE THAN ISOLATED AFTERNOON WARM-SECTOR CONVECTION.
    INSTEAD...MUCH OF THE CONVECTION WILL REMAIN ELEVATED WITHIN A
    WARM-ADVECTION ZONE NORTH OF THE WARM FRONT -- I.E. ACROSS THE UPPER
    MIDWEST/UPPER MS VALLEY/UPPER GREAT LAKES REGION. WHILE SOME RISK
    FOR LARGE HAIL MAY EXIST...RISK DOES NOT APPEAR TO WARRANT AREAL
    INCLUSION ATTM.

    AS MODELS BRING THE UPPER TROUGH EWD INTO THE PLAINS DAY 6 /THU 5-8/
    HOWEVER...MORE COMPLETELY MODIFIED GULF MOISTURE APPEARS LIKELY TO
    HAVE SPREAD INTO THE CENTRAL U.S. PERMITTING DEVELOPMENT OF MORE
    SUBSTANTIAL CAPE. AS THE SURFACE LOW SHIFTS NEWD ALLOWING A
    TRAILING FRONTAL ADVANCE ACROSS THE CENTRAL PLAINS
    VICINITY...DEVELOPMENT OF AFTERNOON SURFACE-BASED STORMS APPEARS
    LIKELY. WITH THE GREATEST JUXTAPOSITION OF FAVORABLE SHEAR AND
    MODERATE CAPE LIKELY TO EXIST FROM ROUGHLY OK NEWD ACROSS KS/MO/IA
    AND INTO IL AND SRN WI...IT APPEARS THAT INCLUSION OF A 30
    PERCENT-EQUIVALENT RISK AREA CAN BE INTRODUCED ATTM WITH MODERATE
    CONFIDENCE...WITH HAIL/DAMAGING WINDS LIKELY ALONG WITH SOME TORNADO
    POTENTIAL.


    BEYOND DAY 6...DIFFERENCES IN THE MODELS ARE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO
    PRECLUDE CONFIDENT ASSESSMENT OF CONVECTIVE POTENTIAL.

    ..GOSS.. 05/03/2014

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    Storm Outlook Discussion...

    Next few days we have Summer. If you are like and hate it because 1) heat sucks and 2) you burst into flames in the sun - know you aren't alone hiding in the A/C this weekend.

    Storm chances start to increase beginning Tuesday.

    Tuesday
    Instability and everything will be in place for any storm that could go severe and break the cap. The problem will be the thermonuclear cap that will be in place. NAM has it at a 6.0 and GFS at a 5.6 in intensity and really...if a cloud goes up I'll be shocked. Though depending on temps if someone pushes near 100, which will be the convective temp, that could be enough to pop an isolated storm with large hail or damaging winds

    Wednesday
    First real day for storm chances in Oklahoma. By Wednesday morning we are looking at the dryline establishing itself from a line generally running Blackwell-Enid-Weatherford-Altus per GFS or Alva-Elk City-Childress per Euro. So pretty close but a slight difference...so figure somewhere in the middle. Moisture return looks somewhat decent with dews into the upper 50s to lower 60s ahead of the dryline early and rising into the low 60s all ahead of the dryline through the day. Both models agree that the dryline will NOT make much eastward progress on Wednesday. Instead instability will build and the dryline will sharpen up quite a bit. GFS is still forecasting a stout cap through 7PM, however it breaks storms out between 7 and 10PM along the dryline over Central OK before it retreats. Euro fires early by early Afternoon from Alva down to the SW near Elk City. So depending on where storms actually do fire will determine who gets what. Overall chances would be favorable for any storm that does form to be severe. Main threats right now look like hail and wind with a marginal tornado threat. LCLs are little too elevated for my liking still to go any higher on tornado chances - at least for now. Right now I would say Marginal Slight Risk day depending on the cap roughly west of a line from Bartlesville to Okmulgee to Durant.

    Thursday
    Dryline retreats overnight into Thursday morning all the way back to the TX PH. It will then start marching east through the afternoon. GFS has it bulging slight south of I-45 but then takes the hole thing to about US 81 and then slams on the brakes until around midnight. Then we would be looking at the cold front overrunning it from North to South after midnight into early Friday. Okay so those are the boundaries, now for the - what could possible make this even more complicated to screw every forecast up because no...we can't allow just one easy textbook day that won't bust everyone's forecast. /rant

    Going into Thursday morning GFS has a line of storms that will be increasing through the morning hows ahead of the retreating dryline...generally over Central and Western OK. It has intensities increase through the afternoon as this batch of storms push east into Eastern OK with some heavy rain and such there. Most of this is due to upper level energy and speed max approaching around midnight and moving overhead through the day. Then by 5-7PM it refires new storms along the dryline to the west of US 81. It then kills most convection off by midnight as the front pushes in - which I really don't buy. 9/10 when a cold front is overrunning a dryline we normally get something - a skinny line of storms or a large squall line - something, to fire when the two merge.

    So we have early morning/daytime convection that may mess with the atmosphere. We have residual outflow boundaries that could remain into the afternoon. We have a strong dryline and cold front coming through. Instabilities don't look terrible in the recovered air mass. Parameters are favorable for all modes of severe weather. Moisture looks good and cloud bases should be low enough for surface based storms. So pretty much it will be a nice complicated forecast. Also if we get the overnight development going into Thursday that could toss a massive wrench into every forecast. Looking at the specific parameters/indices for severe weather. The Supercell Composite on Thursday will be highest east of the dryline and northwest of a line from Ardmore to Tulsa to Coffeyville KS. The Significant Tornado Parameter will low to moderate at 7PM from El Reno on to the north. By 10PM as the LLJ kicks in and bases lower, this area shifts a little east with moderate to high values over North Central OK down into the North Metro. Honestly though, this means little with the challenges early in the day that could completely change up the environment that day.

    Things move out except in SE OK on Friday and Southern OK on Saturday.

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    Day 5 outlook has shifted the area on Thursday generally along/east of 35.

    DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
    NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
    0400 AM CDT SUN MAY 04 2014

    VALID 071200Z - 121200Z

    ...DISCUSSION...
    MEDIUM-RANGE MODELS HAVE CONTINUED OVER THE PAST SEVERAL RUNS TO
    COME INTO BETTER AGREEMENT WITH DEPICTION OF THE UPPER TROUGH
    ADVANCE INTO THE CENTRAL U.S. DAYS 4-5 /I.E. WED.-THU./...WITH THE
    GFS AND ECMWF NOW SHOWING STRONG SIMILARITY THROUGH DAY 5 BUT
    DIVERGING GRADUALLY THEREAFTER.

    BOTH MODELS ADVANCE A LONGITUDINALLY EXTENSIVE WRN TROUGH TO ROUGHLY
    THE FRONT RANGE OF THE ROCKIES BY THE END OF DAY 4. WITH THE
    EVOLVING PLAINS WARM SECTOR LIKELY TO REMAIN GENERALLY CAPPED
    THROUGH THE AFTERNOON/EVENING OF DAY 4...MOST DEEP CONVECTIVE
    ACTIVITY SHOULD REMAIN TO THE COOL SIDE OF THE WARM FRONT...AND THUS
    SEVERE RISK SHOULD REMAIN LIMITED.

    DAY 5....BOTH MODELS DEPICT A SHUNTING OF THE MOST ENERGETIC PORTION
    OF THE UPPER TROUGH QUICKLY NEWD ACROSS THE CENTRAL PLAINS AND
    EVENTUALLY THE UPPER MS VALLEY...AS IT IMPINGES ON A FAIRLY STOUT
    ERN U.S. RIDGE. AS SUCH...A SIMILAR NEWD ACCELERATION OF A
    DEEPENING SURFACE LOW...FROM ITS INITIAL POSITION OVER THE CENTRAL
    PLAINS TO THE LK SUPERIOR VICINITY LATE IN THE PERIOD...IS EXPECTED.
    AS THIS OCCURS...EWD ADVANCE OF A COLD FRONT ACROSS A
    THERMODYNAMICALLY UNSTABLE WARM SECTOR WILL YIELD WIDESPREAD
    WARM-SECTOR THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT.

    A COMPLICATING FACTOR WITH RESPECT TO EVOLUTION OF SEVERE RISK DAY 5
    IS THAT BOTH MODELS ACTIVATE CONVECTION ACROSS TX LATE DAY 4 AND
    INTO THE DAY 5 PERIOD. WHILE SOME SEVERE RISK WOULD EXIST WITH THIS
    CONVECTION LATE DAY 4 ACROSS PARTS OF WRN AND CENTRAL TX...GREATER
    RISK IS EVIDENT DAY 5 ACROSS PARTS OF N CENTRAL TX AND INTO THE ERN
    HALF OF OK AND THE ARKLATEX REGION...AS THE MOISTENING BOUNDARY
    LAYER DIURNALLY DESTABILIZES. HERE...SEVERE RISK -- INCLUDING SOME
    TORNADO POTENTIAL -- IS EXPECTED.

    THIS SRN BATCH OF CONVECTION MAY HAVE EFFECTS ON AREAS FARTHER N --
    I.E. INTO PARTS OF NERN OK/SERN KS AND THE OZARKS...BUT A SECOND
    AREA OF LIKELY SEVERE RISK IS EXPECTED ACROSS PARTS OF ERN KS/NRN MO
    AND INTO IA/SRN MN -- NEARER THE SURFACE LOW WHERE THE STRONGEST
    FLOW ALOFT/MOST FAVORABLE SHEAR IS EXPECTED. RISK FOR HAIL/DAMAGING
    WINDS ALONG WITH ISOLATED TORNADOES IS EXPECTED IN THIS REGION
    THROUGH THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING.

    WHILE TWO DISTINCT AREAS OF SEVERE RISK MAY RESULT -- A NRN AND SRN
    AREA -- ON LARGER RISK AREA WILL BE INCLUDED ATTM PENDING LATER
    FORECAST DETAILS.

    WITH THE UPPER TROUGH PROGGED TO CONTINUE QUICKLY NEWD INTO CANADA
    DAY 6...LESSER SEVERE RISK IS PROGGED AND THUS NO RISK AREAS WILL BE
    INCLUDED ATTM.

    ..GOSS.. 05/04/2014

  7. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by Achilleslastand View Post
    Getting that hype train rolling early.....gotta keep those ratings up.
    It IS a sweeps month, after all...

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    Day 3 Slight Risk covers much of North Central, Central and SW OK on Wednesday for storms in the evening/overnight.

    DAY 3 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
    NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
    0230 AM CDT MON MAY 05 2014

    VALID 071200Z - 081200Z

    ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM THE UPPER MS VALLEY/UPPER
    GREAT LAKES REGION SSWWD ACROSS THE PLAINS...

    ...SUMMARY...
    SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS ARE FORECAST TO DEVELOP DURING THE
    AFTERNOON FROM PARTS OF WYOMING/UTAH/NORTHERN ARIZONA NORTHEASTWARD
    INTO THE NORTHERN PLAINS/UPPER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY/UPPER GREAT LAKES
    REGION ON WEDNESDAY. LESS WIDESPREAD SHOWERS AND A FEW EMBEDDED
    THUNDERSTORMS MAY EXTEND FARTHER EAST-SOUTHEASTWARD...ACROSS THE
    LOWER GREAT LAKES TO THE MID-ATLANTIC REGION. ADDITIONALLY...FROM
    LATE AFTERNOON AND EVENING AND THROUGH THE OVERNIGHT HOURS...SHOWERS
    AND THUNDERSTORMS ARE ALSO EXPECTED TO DEVELOP ACROSS THE PLAINS
    STATES...WHILE INCREASING IN COVERAGE NORTHWARD INTO THE UPPER
    MISSISSIPPI VALLEY AND UPPER GREAT LAKES...WHERE SOME SEVERE RISK
    WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE.

    ...SYNOPSIS...
    THE WRN U.S. UPPER TROUGH IS PROGGED TO CONTINUE A STEADY EWD
    ADVANCE WED...IMPINGING UPON THE PLAINS REGION LATE IN THE PERIOD.
    AS THIS OCCURS...A SURFACE LOW OVER THE CENTRAL PLAINS VICINITY
    SHOULD BEGIN ADVANCING NEWD...AS A TRAILING COLD FRONT BEGINS TO
    CROSS THE HIGH PLAINS AND THE WARM FRONT SHIFTS NWD ACROSS THE UPPER
    MIDWEST. WIDESPREAD/LOCALLY SEVERE STORMS ARE FORECAST ACROSS THE
    CENTRAL U.S. WITH THE ADVANCE OF THIS LARGE STORM SYSTEM.

    ...UPPER MS VALLEY/UPPER GREAT LAKES REGION SSWWD INTO TX...
    SHOWERS AND EMBEDDED/ELEVATED THUNDERSTORMS SHOULD BE ONGOING AT THE
    START OF THE PERIOD ACROSS NORTHERN PORTIONS OF THE SLIGHT RISK AREA
    -- FROM THE NEB PANHANDLE VICINITY EAST-NORTHEASTWARD TO THE UPPER
    GREAT LAKES VICINITY. HOWEVER...A WARM-SECTOR AIRMASS FORECAST TO
    REMAIN LARGELY CAPPED THROUGH THE AFTERNOON HOURS SHOULD HINDER
    APPRECIABLE SURFACE-BASED CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT THROUGH MOST OF THE
    AFTERNOON.

    AS THE UPPER TROUGH CONTINUES EWD ACROSS THE ROCKIES HOWEVER AND
    MORE APPRECIABLE HEIGHT FALLS SPREAD INTO THE PLAINS INTO THE SECOND
    HALF OF THE PERIOD...ISOLATED TO SCATTERED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS
    ARE FORECAST TO DEVELOP. INITIAL STORMS ARE EXPECTED TO FORM AHEAD
    OF THE DRYLINE ACROSS TX...WHERE ISOLATED HAIL AND DAMAGING WIND
    RISK WILL INCREASE GIVEN AMPLE INSTABILITY AND SHEAR SUFFICIENT FOR
    ORGANIZED/ROTATING STORMS. DEVELOPMENT OF CLUSTERS OF STORMS -- AND
    ISOLATED HAIL/WIND RISK -- SHOULD THEN SPREAD NNEWD ACROSS OK AND KS
    INTO THE EVENING/OVERNIGHT...WITH MORE WIDESPREAD -- AND MORE
    SUBSTANTIALLY ELEVATED -- STORMS EXPECTED N OF THE WARM FRONT ACROSS
    THE IA/MN/WI VICINITY WHERE HAIL WILL BE THE MAIN SEVERE
    RISK...CONTINUING THROUGH THE END OF THE PERIOD.

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    Day 4 Risk continues generally US 81 and to the east.

    DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
    NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
    0353 AM CDT MON MAY 05 2014

    VALID 081200Z - 131200Z

    ...DISCUSSION...
    CONSISTENCY BETWEEN MEDIUM-RANGE MODELS APPEARS TO BE HIGH EARLY IN
    THE PERIOD -- COINCIDENT WITH THE PERIOD OF GREATEST EXPECTED SEVERE
    RISK. THE GFS AND ECMWF BOTH ADVANCE A STRONG SHORT-WAVE FEATURE --
    THE LEAD IMPULSE WITHIN THE BROADER WRN U.S. TROUGH -- NEWD ACROSS
    THE PLAINS STATES TO THE UPPER MS VALLEY REGION DAY 4 /THU.
    5-8/...AND THEN NEWD ACROSS THE UPPER GREAT LAKES INTO ONTARIO DAY
    5. WITH THE ASSOCIATED SURFACE LOW ALSO PROGGED TO SHIFT STEADILY
    NEWD ACROSS THE MID MO TO THE UPPER MS VALLEY DAY 4...AND THEN ON
    NWD ACROSS ONTARIO TO JAMES BAY THROUGH DAY 5...A TRAILING COLD
    FRONT WILL SHIFT QUICKLY EWD ACROSS THE CENTRAL U.S. DAY 4 AND THE
    MIDWEST DAY 5...WHILE ADVANCING MORE SLOWLY WITH SWD EXTENT INTO TX.
    WITH AN OVERALL DEAMPLIFICATION OF THE UPPER FLOW FIELD OVER THE
    U.S. AND A MORE STRUNG-OUT SW-NE FRONT INTO DAYS 5-6...SEVERE RISK
    WOULD APPEAR AT THIS TIME TO LIKELY BE LESS SUBSTANTIAL BEYOND DAY
    4.

    FOR DAY 4 HOWEVER -- AS THE POTENT SHORT-WAVE SYSTEM AND ASSOCIATED
    COLD FRONT CROSS THE PLAINS...AN ENHANCED ZONE OF SEVERE RISK
    REMAINS APPARENT. THOUGH ONGOING CONVECTION EXPECTED AT THE START
    OF THE PERIOD OVER PORTIONS OF THE RISK AREA CONTINUES TO COMPLICATE
    THE SCENARIO...AMPLE DIURNAL DESTABILIZATION IS EXPECTED AHEAD OF
    ONGOING CONVECTION OVER THE SRN PLAINS VICINITY AS WELL AS WITHIN A
    DRY SLOT SPREADING NEWD ACROSS THE CENTRAL PLAINS AND MID MO VALLEY
    TO SUPPORT AN INCREASE IN STORMS THROUGH THE AFTERNOON HOURS. WITH
    MID-LEVEL SWLYS IN THE 50 TO 70 KT RANGE SPREADING ATOP THE WARM
    SECTOR...DEGREE OF SHEAR WILL SUPPORT BOTH ORGANIZED/BOWING BANDS OF
    STORMS AS WELL AS UPDRAFT ROTATION. ATTM...GREATEST SEVERE RISKS
    WOULD APPEAR TO BE HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS...THOUGH A FEW TORNADOES
    WILL BE POSSIBLE. OVERNIGHT AS CONVECTION SHIFTS EWD/NEWD AND LESS
    UNSTABLE THERMODYNAMIC CONDITIONS PREVAIL...EXPECT LESSER SEVERE
    RISK TO PREVAIL.

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    Just insane heat this early in the season. Potential effects of the developing El Nino aside, one has to expect the drought is going to make this one VERY long summer...

    OKC smashed the old record of 93F yesterday with a high temp of 97F and up to 103F in NW OK, with just as hot (if not slightly hotter) conditions expected today. The last time OKC reached 95F prior to May 10th was in 1972. Sigh.

    Wichita reached 102F yesterday just 20 days after getting 0.3" of snow. It was their earliest 100F+ day on record.

  11. #36

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    This is almost scary. Hopefully we get some good rain out of this Wednesday/Thursday system. Do you see a squall line developing or discreet supercells?

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    Wednesday looks like another tough severe wx forecasting day. Either some intense storms, or no storms.

    Thursday looks like storms likely, but not as intense as it looks right now. Thursday will also depend heavily on what happens Wednesday night.


    To build on the drought situation, as V mentioned earlier last week; we are basically at the point of needing a tropical system to catch us up. We went from above average and nose dived to way below over winter and thus far in spring. If I was in charge of the call, I would already have a lawn water usage ban in effect for all of OKC metro on city water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LocoAko View Post
    Just insane heat this early in the season. Potential effects of the developing El Nino aside, one has to expect the drought is going to make this one VERY long summer...

    OKC smashed the old record of 93F yesterday with a high temp of 97F and up to 103F in NW OK, with just as hot (if not slightly hotter) conditions expected today. The last time OKC reached 95F prior to May 10th was in 1972. Sigh.

    Wichita reached 102F yesterday just 20 days after getting 0.3" of snow. It was their earliest 100F+ day on record.
    It's supposed to get to at least 100 from southwest to north central Oklahoma today. Oklahoma City may be left out. It's forecast to get up to 99.

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    So should we be worried at all about the severe possibilities this Wednesday and Thursday? There doesn't seem to be the huge amount of hype going into this as there was for our last round which ended up being a bust for C OK but really bad for the Southeastern United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bchris02 View Post
    So should we be worried at all about the severe possibilities this Wednesday and Thursday? There doesn't seem to be the huge amount of hype going into this as there was for our last round which ended up being a bust for C OK but really bad for the Southeastern United States.
    I think the intense lack of moisture combined with the expectation of a fairly strong cap mid-week makes it pretty hard to ring the severe bell very hard at this point, and so long as the models seem to be in even a broad sense of concurrence there wouldn't be much basis on which to put a bigger severe forecast out there, excepting for the obvious caveat about it being May in Oklahoma and anything can happen given all the right weather variables.

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    And of course I bid afternoons at work. Usually I bid mornings for the summer time. Ugh.

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    I'll do a more in-depth outlook tonight. Family is visiting so priority has been there. Sorry for my absence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by venture View Post
    I'll do a more in-depth outlook tonight. Family is visiting so priority has been there. Sorry for my absence.
    We all know family comes first - no apologies called for.

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    Very isolated risk today of storms developing along the new dryline is SW OK moving to the NE. This is going to be close to peak heating today and into this evening. Main threat if anything develops would be very large hail and damaging winds as the storms fall apart.

    12Z HRRR shows storms west of I-35 by 7PM.


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    SPC picked up on the storm chances for today now. I'll start monitoring in the chat room later this afternoon.

    ...OK/TX...
    12Z MODEL SOLUTIONS ARE BECOMING MORE CONSISTENT IN SUGGESTING A 2-3
    HOURS PERIOD OF THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING
    ALONG THE DRYLINE OVER WESTERN OK AND WESTERN NORTH TX. MODELS ARE
    NOT HANDLING THE LOW LEVEL MOISTURE EVOLUTION VERY WELL...WITH WIDE
    DISCREPANCIES REGARDING THE LOCATION OF THE DRYLINE AND SURFACE
    DEWPOINTS VALUES TO ITS EAST. NEVERTHELESS...A NARROW CORRIDOR MAY
    SEE ISOLATED HIGH-BASED THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY LATER TODAY WITH THE
    POTENTIAL FOR HAIL AND GUSTY WINDS. DIURNAL COOLING SHOULD QUICKLY
    WEAKEN THE STORMS AFTER DARK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by venture View Post
    SPC picked up on the storm chances for today now. I'll start monitoring in the chat room later this afternoon.

    ...OK/TX...
    12Z MODEL SOLUTIONS ARE BECOMING MORE CONSISTENT IN SUGGESTING A 2-3
    HOURS PERIOD OF THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING
    ALONG THE DRYLINE OVER WESTERN OK AND WESTERN NORTH TX. MODELS ARE
    NOT HANDLING THE LOW LEVEL MOISTURE EVOLUTION VERY WELL...WITH WIDE
    DISCREPANCIES REGARDING THE LOCATION OF THE DRYLINE AND SURFACE
    DEWPOINTS VALUES TO ITS EAST. NEVERTHELESS...A NARROW CORRIDOR MAY
    SEE ISOLATED HIGH-BASED THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY LATER TODAY WITH THE
    POTENTIAL FOR HAIL AND GUSTY WINDS. DIURNAL COOLING SHOULD QUICKLY
    WEAKEN THE STORMS AFTER DARK.
    Venture, realizing we're still very early into May and the typically more turbulent part of our weather season, but isn't this early heat/strong cap/high-base thunderstorm notion (guess I can't really say its a "pattern" yet) a bit more like a mid-to-late summer scenario with the popcorn storms that can show up, throw a few angry rounds of hail, then disappear quickly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoonerDave View Post
    Venture, realizing we're still very early into May and the typically more turbulent part of our weather season, but isn't this early heat/strong cap/high-base thunderstorm notion (guess I can't really say its a "pattern" yet) a bit more like a mid-to-late summer scenario with the popcorn storms that can show up, throw a few angry rounds of hail, then disappear quickly?
    Yup. This is very much more of a late June/July type thing than early May. Take what we can get I suppose - rain wise that is.

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    Chat room day tomorrow! 30% hatched area from the Metro area to SW OK tomorrow.

    ...WRN AND CNTRL TX AND OK THROUGH CNTRL/ERN KS...

    PERSISTENT SLY LLJ WILL RESULT IN CONTINUED MOISTENING OF THE WARM
    SECTOR WITH DEWPOINTS RISING TO THE LOW 60S ACROSS KS/OK AND MIDDLE
    TO UPPER 60S FARTHER SOUTH ACROSS TX. SWLY FLOW ALOFT WILL MAINTAIN
    STEEP MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES ABOVE MOIST AXIS...AND DIABATIC WARMING
    WILL CONTRIBUTE TO FURTHER DESTABILIZATION WITH AXIS OF MLCAPE FROM
    1500-2500 J/KG MLCAPE LIKELY BY MID-LATE AFTERNOON. DEEPER ASCENT
    WITHIN APPROACHING UPPER JET EXIT REGION ALONG WITH DEEP MIXING AND
    DRYLINE CONVERGENCE SHOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THUNDERSTORM INITIATION
    FROM PARTS OF WRN/WCNTRL TX NWD THROUGH WRN OK INTO CNTRL KS. WIND
    PROFILES WILL INCREASE TOWARD EVENING AS THE UPPER JET EMERGES OVER
    THE SRN/CNTRL HIGH PLAINS WITH VERTICAL SHEAR BECOMING SUPPORTIVE OF
    SUPERCELL STRUCTURES. STORMS WILL INITIALLY BE HIGH BASED WITH LARGE
    HAIL AND DAMAGING WIND THE INITIAL MAIN THREATS. HOWEVER...LCLS WILL
    DECREASE AS STORMS BEGIN TO INTERACT WITH HIGHER DEWPOINTS IN MOIST
    AXIS. AS LLJ STRENGTHENS...A SMALL WINDOW WILL EXIST FOR ISOLATED
    TORNADOES BEFORE THE BOUNDARY LAYER STABILIZES AND STORMS BEGIN TO
    MERGE INTO CLUSTERS/LINES.

  24. #49

    Default Re: General Weather Discussion - May 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by venture View Post
    Yup. This is very much more of a late June/July type thing than early May. Take what we can get I suppose - rain wise that is.
    I have a recently blind dog and I've been trying to take her on walks, everyday, out in the fields to let her practice exploring with her other senses. The grass is so dry it feels like late July.

  25. Default Re: General Weather Discussion - May 2014



    MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0504
    NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
    0539 PM CDT TUE MAY 06 2014

    AREAS AFFECTED...A SMALL PART OF N TX

    CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH UNLIKELY

    VALID 062239Z - 070045Z

    PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...20 PERCENT

    SUMMARY...A FEW TSTMS FORMING ALONG THE DRYLINE WILL POSE A RISK FOR
    ISOLATED SEVERE HAIL/WIND THROUGH ABOUT 01-02Z.

    DISCUSSION...22Z OBSERVATIONAL ANALYSIS PLACED THE DRYLINE FROM
    TILLMAN COUNTY OK SWD INTO ERN SHACKELFORD...CALLAHAN AND COLEMAN
    COUNTIES IN THE TX BIG COUNTRY. HERE...SMALL CBS ARE MOST VISIBLE
    ALONG THIS PORTION OF THE DRYLINE AND INCIPIENT TSTM DEVELOPMENT IS
    UNDERWAY. LARGE SURFACE TEMPERATURE/DEW POINT SPREADS AROUND 40 DEG
    F JUST AHEAD OF THE DRYLINE SUGGEST CONVECTION WILL REMAIN
    HIGH-BASED. STEEP TROPOSPHERIC LAPSE RATES ALONG WITH SUFFICIENT
    EFFECTIVE SHEAR FOR ORGANIZED UPDRAFTS /ALTHOUGH LARGELY
    CONCENTRATED IN THE UPPER PORTION OF THE BUOYANCY PROFILE/ WILL
    SUPPORT RISKS FOR SEVERE HAIL/WIND FOR A FEW HOURS. STRENGTHENING
    INHIBITION SHOULD RESULT IN STORMS QUICKLY DIMINISHING AROUND
    SUNSET.

    ..GRAMS/CORFIDI.. 05/06/2014

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