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  1. Default Re: Official 2013 Big 12 Football Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by diggyba View Post
    This is laughable.
    Maybe now people will start to admit this is a very average team. OU is gone from the elite teams in the country while the coaching continues to be this lack luster. I think the defense is getting better, but it might be time to send Heupel packing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by venture79 View Post
    Maybe now people will start to admit this is a very average team. OU is gone from the elite teams in the country while the coaching continues to be this lack luster. I think the defense is getting better, but it might be time to send Heupel packing.
    The Big XII is a very average conference... Sad to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by venture79 View Post
    Maybe now people will start to admit this is a very average team. OU is gone from the elite teams in the country while the coaching continues to be this lack luster. I think the defense is getting better, but it might be time to send Heupel packing.
    Please understand the POLITICS of this game. First OU is average and not championship caliber. But the politics are as follows: The Big 12 is not a national conference anymore, relevent to the national discussion. The conference NEEDS both Texas and Oklahoma to be minimally successful to even remain in the conversation nationally, OU beating Texas this year would hurt the B12 even more than ever because the rest of the conference outside of Baylor this year is woeful. Texas has the $$$$ that keeps the conference afloat, the conference leadership WANTS a competivie Texas and because OU is overrated at 12 in the country and would be embarrased in a BCS bowl, this was the time to allow for a Texas win over a ranked team, a OU team that has won 3 in a row. BS will survive this loss with very little grumbling because OU has gone all in with him. AS currently constructed, The Big 12 will very seldom (maybe once a decade)be a meaningful player in the natonal championship conversation.

  4. #129

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    Let's look on the bright side. We now have zero chance of playing against Oregon or Bama

  5. #130

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy180 View Post
    Let's look on the bright side. We now have zero chance of playing against Oregon or Bama
    Thats for sure, that would be a replay of the 55-19 beatdown issured by Reggie Bush and USC. We need to be in a minor pre christmas bowl if any

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    #7 Georgia fell today too at the hands of Mizzou.

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    Just want to say that this one hurts... Let's give it up to the Texas Longhorns; they came out to play and they took their game to Oklahoma.



    ENOUGH SAID!

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    Hook 'em!!!!!

  9. #134

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    Give credit to the Longhorns, they played better and wanted it more than the Sooners did today

    The Sooners was awful on offense, special teams, and defense today, they have so much work to do, it is not even funny!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsooner View Post
    Thats for sure, that would be a replay of the 55-19 beatdown issured by Reggie Bush and USC. We need to be in a minor pre christmas bowl if any
    I saw a full grown man cry that night. I laughed on the inside...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeesFan View Post
    Give credit to the Longhorns, they played better and wanted it more than the Sooners did today

    The Sooners was awful on offense, special teams, and defense today, they have so much work to do, it is not even funny!
    "Let the damsels have their day," they played this one for 'Mack' who was being knifed on his way...

  12. #137

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    Screw Texas

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    Nah, screw OU for playing like poop

  14. #139

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    Screw OU for playing like poop

    ...and Screw Texas.

  15. #140

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsooner View Post
    Please understand the POLITICS of this game. First OU is average and not championship caliber. But the politics are as follows: The Big 12 is not a national conference anymore, relevent to the national discussion. The conference NEEDS both Texas and Oklahoma to be minimally successful to even remain in the conversation nationally, OU beating Texas this year would hurt the B12 even more than ever because the rest of the conference outside of Baylor this year is woeful. Texas has the $$$$ that keeps the conference afloat, the conference leadership WANTS a competivie Texas and because OU is overrated at 12 in the country and would be embarrased in a BCS bowl, this was the time to allow for a Texas win over a ranked team, a OU team that has won 3 in a row. BS will survive this loss with very little grumbling because OU has gone all in with him. AS currently constructed, The Big 12 will very seldom (maybe once a decade)be a meaningful player in the natonal championship conversation.
    These things go in cycles and arguing that the B12 is done for good is short sighted. We will probably go through another period of domination like the 2000s, but you can't win it all every year. I disagree as well that OU and Texas are needed for the conference to be perceived well, but what I would say is you can't just have Baylor as a Top Ten team.

    You do need elite teams, but any team that has won a conference championship in the last 4 years can be elite. OSU has been the most consistent team of the last 4/5 years. The huge problem we face is not who is good, but that nobody is good. OU and Texas are down, OSU can't pass, K-State and Tech are Rebuilding. TCU can't keep a roster together. WVU fell off a cliff. Everyone who would be an acceptable front-runner is bad. So we're stuck with Baylor.

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    Big rivalry games like this doesn't always play out according to records or media hype leading into the big event. Texas made a strategic move when they fired defensive coordinator Manny Diaz following 550-yard thumping by BYU.

    When will we get an offensive and a defensive line with some consistency and balance? Not to take away from the outstanding performance by the Horns today; but we need to exploit those big and strong cornbread & buttermilk feed linemen which are in abundance in Texas and the southeast area of the country.

    Blake Bell had the pressure dialed up on him today as a result of the offensive line's poor performance and the defense (two key players out) being emotionally & physically challenged to make up for the offenses' lackluster performance.

    The play calling was much too conservative and we should have stayed more with our ground attack as Texas did to keep us off-balanced and eat up the clock. You could see the paradigm shift in confidence as both the defensive and offensive lines pushed OU around like a rag doll.

    Bell appeared 'indecisive' as to run or pass(?); again, credit the Texas defense which created the confusion.

    It was like a physical confrontation with little brother who grew up right before your eyes and landed that knock down punch that stunned the Sooner Nation today.

    An opportunity was loss for the OU football team to take the next step. Let's go Sooners; we can still make this a productive season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcsooner View Post
    Please understand the POLITICS of this game. First OU is average and not championship caliber. But the politics are as follows: The Big 12 is not a national conference anymore, relevent to the national discussion. The conference NEEDS both Texas and Oklahoma to be minimally successful to even remain in the conversation nationally, OU beating Texas this year would hurt the B12 even more than ever because the rest of the conference outside of Baylor this year is woeful. Texas has the $$$$ that keeps the conference afloat, the conference leadership WANTS a competivie Texas and because OU is overrated at 12 in the country and would be embarrased in a BCS bowl, this was the time to allow for a Texas win over a ranked team, a OU team that has won 3 in a row. BS will survive this loss with very little grumbling because OU has gone all in with him. AS currently constructed, The Big 12 will very seldom (maybe once a decade)be a meaningful player in the natonal championship conversation.
    Nice hat. From the Reynolds 2014 collection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laramie View Post
    When will we get an offensive and a defensive line with some consistency and balance? Not to take away from the outstanding performance by the Horns today; but we need to exploit those big and strong cornbread & buttermilk feed linemen which are in abundance in Texas and the southeast area of the country.
    And exactly what incentive will they have to pick Oklahoma?

    You don't get to play more storied programs Nebraska or A&M anymore, but hey...well Morgantown can be fun to visit? OOC games we don't really get into the Southeast much which would help for recruiting. We are at Tennessee in 2015, but then won't be back until @LSU in 2019. Sure teams like Ohio State and Nebraska are on the schedule going forward...but that isn't until 2016/2017 and 2021/2022 respectfully. Oh but hold on...there is Tulsa!

    If we want any chance of getting more recruits from the Southeast, then we need to start looking at forgetting Tulsa and Louisiana Tech and more on teams in the actual Southeast.

    However, why would people pick Oklahoma when a national title isn't a sure thing with the Big 12 anymore? SEC, Big Ten, and PAC 12 are more in a direct line to get there...heck ACC is getting itself righted as well. We've fallen to near the level of the AAC (Old Big East) but not quite...regardless, if Alabama, A&M, or LSU are targeting the same recruit as OU...chances are they won't show up in Norman.

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    OU's current problems are in three areas:

    1. Defensive talent. As many of us speculated in the pre-season, OU is as thin at DT as they've ever been under Stoops. We thought we'd found a bit of a diamond in Jordan Phillips, but he's out, hurt, and that's been a huge loss. Add Nelson to the mix, and you have a defense that, now, isn't as good on paper as we'd hoped it would be during fall camp. That's a talent and recruiting problem that started under Venables and will take at least another season or two to resolve itself.

    2. Offensive mindset. Josh Heupel, love him for all he's done, is starting to make it very, very difficult to throw support behind him as a truly diverse O/C. I always somewhat feared that he was one who truly believed, at a fundamental level, that the pass sets up the run, thus explaining his often incomprehensible disposition to force the pass when its simply not there, or the folks running the plays can't execute it. I think that notion was borne out in painfully vivid ways Saturday. Texas is still as fundamentally unsound against the run as they were against BYU; yes, they've tweaked a few things under Robinson, but these are still the same "Jimmy's and Joe's that gave up 550 yards to BYU and were giddy over a 1-point win over Iowa State. Amid that, amid the avalanche of notoriety for this Texas defense being vulnerable to the run game, Heupel designed a game plan that tried to force Blake Bell to throw like he's Landry Jones or Sam Bradford. And we're supposed to be surprised to find he isn't. OU's offensive gameplan yesterday was stupefying. I'm not entirely sure what Heupel is trying to prove, but I can't fathom Stoops is not going behind closed doors with his young OC (now in his third year) and screaming at him, "What on earth are you doing??" OU's offense is a train wreck. Landry Jones and Sam Bradford are gone.Everyone knows it. But Heupel needs to start playcalling like he knows it, too.

    3. Offensive line. Bedenbaugh has had one year to work with a line that's played for several with a pass-block-first mentality, and converting that to a more aggressive run philosophy is taking time. Especially when your OC is trying too hard to hold on to his pass-oriented past. OU's OL is struggling. There's no other way to say it. And, again, part of it is whether Bedenbaugh is coaching them to play for an offense other than what the OC is calling. Right now, I'm not sure they're on the same page. You can't tell the guys to start run blocking, to get low, to cut, to get physical, while the OC in the press box is calling 35 passes per game. Somewhere, there's a disconnect.

    There's no doubt or question this isn't the most talented OU team under Stoops' tenure, but there's no way it should have been blown out yesterday. OU had the ball, trailing only 13, midway through the third quarter following a shanked punt, and had every expectation to aggressively drive for a TD that would have brought the game within six. But what did we do? We did Texas a favor - one run, two (bad) pass plays, and then a punt returned 85 yards for a touchdown. And that was, essentially, the ballgame.

    I hate to say it, but based on how the balance of the season goes, I fear Stoops may have a tough decision facing him after its over. Heupel cannot continue to run this offense as though Mike Leach were still his mentor. This is not the Leach spread. These are not Leach system quarterbacks. These aren't even Kevin Wilson system quarterbacks. Yet he continues to run the offense precisely that way. That, quite simply, can't continue.

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    Josh Heupel needs to be demoted to Quarterback coach, at least he was great at this position

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    Dave I have to agree. Heupel is just stuck in tunnel vision of pass pass pass and it is killing us. They probably could have ran on every down yesterday and did better. Would Norvell be any better at play calling than Josh? Who knows.

    It would be interesting how much the family politics will come into play if Stoops wants to make any changes. Heupel's sister is married to Dan Boren.

  22. #147

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeesFan View Post
    What is with Baylor scoring 70 points a game? I think that streak will be broken next week against Kansas State
    I called it!

    I am glad Baylor did not tie the Sooners record of 60+ in 5 straight games

  23. #148

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    I don't think Heupel was ready for play calling duties, still too green to do that. I was hopeful when he was promoted but always felt like he needed some more seasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diggyba View Post
    The Big XII is a very average conference... Sad to say.
    The glory days have been gone a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by diggyba View Post
    #7 Georgia fell today too at the hands of Mizzou.
    I wonder how much GA's top 5 players being out had to do with that. Mizzou did play pretty good.

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