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  1. Weather Oklahoma Weather Discussion - August 2013

    After a very wet July, the heat is still on for August. August is typically a quiet, hot month for Oklahoma but so far this hasn't be a normal summer. The Fall severe weather season usually kicks off in late September/early October, but we also start seeing increased chances of tropical systems effecting our weather starting this time of year. For those that don't like the high summer heat, it is good to note we are now starting to decent into Fall as average highs start to decrease after August 9th.


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    Tutorial: HOW TO READ SKEW-T CHARTS

    The main Skew-T is your 3 lines with wind barbs on both sides. So the lines first off. Solid is air temp and dashed dewpoint. The dotted line is the temp of the parcel of air as it goes up. So follow that up. If the solid line is to the right of that dotted line that is air that is warmer than that parcel and the parcel won't rise. Also known as your cap. When the air parcel gets warmer than air temp that area between the solid line and dotted line, that is your CAPE. This also shows that the parcel of air will continue to rise up until it meets the air temp again. Here is a good video to help explain it...



    Okay so we are looking at that and we can things are going to be unstable with a lot of CAPE. Move of to the wind barbs on the right, that is your wind direction and speed at the various heights. This is also how we detect shear. The two main kinds are going to be speed shear and directional shear. In this exactly we are seeing surface winds out of the SE/SSE, or backed winds as you'll read often, and then they change directions to the SW and WSW as you go up in height. Good example of directional shear. Speed shear is when you have wind speed increase as you go up. We have some of that here as well. All in all this says, good shear. Sometimes you have to be careful of too much shear or speeds being too high in the upper levels because that can just rip updrafts apart.

    So we got an unstable atmosphere and wind shear. Finally the squiggly line that is the hodograph. Used to find things like shear vectors and storm relative winds. These are good to help determine if you are going to be dealing with splitting storms and such. Typically in class right turning supercells we look for the hodograph to arch from the center to the right. Which we have here...for the most part. I won't get too much more into it right now, but googling should bring up a ton of resources on it.

    So now we get down to the values. A lot of these are open to interpretation and how they play into storm formation, severe storms, and tornadoes. I'm just going to hit on a few of the variables instead of every one, otherwise this will be a book and probably confuse more than need be. Going left to right since these aren't perfect columns.


    • LI - Lifted Index. Negative is unstable, usually want lower than -4 for severe.
    • KI or K Index you usually want mid 20s for storm development and over 35 for strong development.
    • Equil P - That is where your air parcel meets the air temp again after getting warmer than it.
    • HAIL - Subjective to this sounding project on estimated hail size.
    • ConvT - Convective temperature or air temp needed to break cap without much forcing. This is more important in summer usually.
    • Lapse Rates also need to be looked at, in this care the value is favorable for severe weather.
    • SRH this is the Storm Relative Helicity in the first kilometer of air from the service...or your low level shear. This is also modified by the direction storms will move. Usually anything over 150 would be pretty significant.
    • SWEAT Index helps highlight severe storm potential. Usually 300-500 is what we look for, anything higher is significant.
    • TTI or Total Totals is another index looked at for storm development in general. Mid 40s are usually looked at for storm development, anything higher would indicate a more volatile setup.
    • Storm Dir/Speed - This is your storm direction in degrees and this is where the storm is coming from. So the example here is ~ 225 degrees which translates into moving NE. Speed is in knots so take the value and multiply by 1.15 to get MPH.
    • CapI - Strength of cap. Usually you want 2 or lower to help keep somewhat of a lid on things early. Over 4 requires a nuke to get rid of, less would lead to grunge fest.
    • LCL - Lowest cooling level. This is the atmospheric pressure height (measured in millibars) where the air can condense and form clouds. So a high number here means the level is lower to the ground and better chance for surface based convection. If you see numbers lower than say 850 mb, you are talking mostly high based elevated storms. Tornadoes need high LCL values (or lower cooling levels) since they are tied with surface based storms in most cases.
    • Sup Potential: Value specific to this product estimating percentage chance if any storm forms that it will be severe.
    • Precip Water measures the amount of water in the air. Usually you don't want it more than 1.5 or 1.75 for severe storms otherwise you are looking at just heavy rain. Lower than say 0.75 and its going to be too dry for much precip.
    • CAPE most are familiar with. Anything over 0 is unstable. Depending on the season will determine how much you need. Usually anything over 2000 j/kg is very unstable. However as we get into late spring/summer you'll see values over 5000 but not get anything. Even though its extremely unstable, it doesn't do any good without lift or something to break a cap.
    • CINH: Convective inhibition. Usually when you start getting lower than -100 you have issues getting anything going.
    • 0-1km Shear - Like earlier this is your shear in the first kilometer of air, but this isn't storm direction dependant. When you start getting over 100 to 150 in this department you need to start being vigilant.
    • 1km EHI or Energy Helicity Index another way to measure energy/shear. Usually more than 2 or 3 is pretty high.


    That's pretty much the main ones without going longer...which I already went a bit too long. We can get more specific about the individual values if more clarification is needed. I went pretty general and with a broad brush on a lot of these. This is mainly to give you an idea of what to look for. The main thing to remember is that so much goes into this, and hopefully this is another example of how much there is, that you can't focus on just a few of these and figure big time storms. Think of it as a recipe. You have to have near perfect amounts of each to get a good tasting soup...otherwise you are just left with a pot full of odd smelling/looking/tasting water.

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    I know a few were touching on this in the July thread...

    I'm all for August to look like this...


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    With little surprise, most of the western 3/4s of Oklahoma is now drought free.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    With little surprise, most of the western 3/4s of Oklahoma is now drought free.
    I think you mean "eastern"...

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    The drought has really improved.... Who would have thought.... In fact the experts predicted the drought to grow worse....
    But they are frequently wrong about the longer range weather on our earth.

    I'm hearing on TV that we may have anouther cool off and rain in about 7 or 8 days.
    If this verify's it looks like we will escape with a pretty nice summer in central Oklahoma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou48A View Post
    The drought has really improved.... Who would have thought.... In fact the experts predicted the drought to grow worse....
    But they are frequently wrong about the longer range weather on our earth.

    I'm hearing on TV that we may have anouther cool off and rain in about 7 or 8 days.
    If this verify's it looks like we will escape with a pretty nice summer in central Oklahoma.
    This has been a wonderful summer weather wise in virtually every conceivable way. Just about perfect as far as I'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    With little surprise, most of the western 3/4s of Oklahoma is now drought free.

    When I look at that graphic I'm a bit surprised that Comanche County is still in the "severe" category. They have had a lot of rain the last couple of months.

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    ^
    Well, to be fair they were in the extreme to exceptional category as recently as April, so the rain has helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou48A View Post
    The drought has really improved.... Who would have thought.... In fact the experts predicted the drought to grow worse....
    But they are frequently wrong about the longer range weather on our earth.

    I'm hearing on TV that we may have anouther cool off and rain in about 7 or 8 days.
    If this verify's it looks like we will escape with a pretty nice summer in central Oklahoma.
    Just goes to show, it's easy to forecast drought when you're already in one. Drought conditions bring on more drought like conditions. So it made sense at the time.

    However, random storms and setups can really localize rainfall and OKC has been lucky, while all of western OK is in the dry boat still.


    This is why I hate long range (season-type) forecasts. They are mostly based on history and give people a false guide of the future.


    [sarcasm]
    Can't wait for the "winter" season forecast - maybe they will switch from "above normal temps and drier than normal precip" to the opposite since our summer has been an anomaly.
    [/sarcasm]

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    Much of Texas and western OK & KS could still use a tropical system.

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    Weather update for N Texas.... HOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kyle View Post
    I think you mean "eastern"...
    True. Then the eastern 3/4. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous. View Post
    Just goes to show, it's easy to forecast drought when you're already in one. Drought conditions bring on more drought like conditions. So it made sense at the time.

    However, random storms and setups can really localize rainfall and OKC has been lucky, while all of western OK is in the dry boat still.


    This is why I hate long range (season-type) forecasts. They are mostly based on history and give people a false guide of the future.


    [sarcasm]
    Can't wait for the "winter" season forecast - maybe they will switch from "above normal temps and drier than normal precip" to the opposite since our summer has been an anomaly.
    [/sarcasm]
    Yep
    When we don't understand very much about what the weather will do past about 10 days or so it makes it preety hard to beive predictions of what the worlds weather will be in 5, 10, 25 or 50 years or more.

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    Actually it's quite possible to forecast below average, average, and above average precip and temperature for seasons from sea surface temperatures. There are yearly, decade, and century changes that have been consistent in sea current and temperature change. It's not prefect, far from it, but it's possible and has been helpful to energy, farming, and other companies. Of course we can't depict a storm a months out from now, but monthly and seasonal forecasts of below, average, or above average temps and precip are possible..

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    Quote Originally Posted by zachj7 View Post
    Actually it's quite possible to forecast below average, average, and above average precip and temperature for seasons from sea surface temperatures. There are yearly, decade, and century changes that have been consistent in sea current and temperature change. It's not prefect, far from it, but it's possible and has been helpful to energy, farming, and other companies. Of course we can't depict a storm a months out from now, but monthly and seasonal forecasts of below, average, or above average temps and precip are possible..
    Yes its possible, just like its possible to make a bad 2 day forecast.
    Just watch all hell break lose when the weather folks predict a major sever weather event for the OKC area that doesn’t materialize.

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    We are in pure summer mode this week. Tapering off temperatures towards the end of the week around Thursday.

    Expect 100 or close to until about that Thursday when we see a boundary shift south and give us on/off chances of storms heading into the weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous. View Post
    We are in pure summer mode this week. Tapering off temperatures towards the end of the week around Thursday.

    Expect 100 or close to until about that Thursday when we see a boundary shift south and give us on/off chances of storms heading into the weekend.
    Really, though, it's not that bad. This has been a pretty awesome summer, especially considering there wasn't any tropical development that moved through to cause the rain and cooler temps. Thank you, Mother Nature.
    Still corrupting young minds

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou48A View Post
    Much of Texas and western OK & KS could still use a tropical system.
    It's amazing how in Kansas within the width of just four counties you can go from no drought at all to the worst drought category.

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    Not much hope for us in Central OK, but maybe a couple clouds for tomorrow.



    MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 1629
    NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
    0608 PM CDT MON AUG 05 2013


    AREAS AFFECTED...PORTIONS WRN/SRN KS...SRN NEB...EXTREME NRN OK.


    CONCERNING...SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH 468...


    VALID 052308Z - 060045Z


    THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT FOR SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH 468
    CONTINUES.


    SUMMARY...WW MAY BE REPLACED TO ACCOMMODATE SEWD SHIFT IN SVR THREAT
    ACROSS MAINLY KS...IN STEP WITH SVR TSTM CLUSTER MOVING SSEWD ACROSS
    EXISTING WW 468 AND ADDITIONAL ACTIVITY DEVELOPING ALONG FRONT NEAR
    KS/OK BORDER.


    DISCUSSION...SFC MESOANALYSIS SHOWS LARGE/ROUGHLY SEMICIRCULAR
    OUTFLOW POOL EMANATING FROM ORIGINAL LOCUS OF NWRN KS CONVECTION.
    ASSOCIATED BOUNDARY WAS DRAWN AT 23Z FROM EXISTING TSTM CLUSTER
    OVER NESS/LANE COUNTIES THROUGH FINNEY/HAMILTON COUNTIES...THEN
    ACROSS E-CENTRAL/NERN CO...BACK NEWD OVER IML AREA TO SRN LINCOLN
    COUNTY NEB. WITH SFC DEW POINTS 70S F...MLCAPE 2500-3500 J/KG AND
    35-40 KT EFFECTIVE SHEAR MAGNITUDES IN PRECONVECTIVE/PRE-OUTFLOW
    ENVIRONMENT OVER SWRN NEB...ISOLATED SVR HAIL/GUSTS ARE PSBL FROM
    TSTMS ERUPTING ALONG NEB SEGMENT OF BOUNDARY...BEFORE THAT ACTIVITY
    IS UNDERCUT BY OUTFLOW. ADDITIONAL WW IS NOT ANTICIPATED ATTM OVER
    THAT AREA DUE TO MORE DISORGANIZED/SHORTER-DURATION NATURE OF SVR
    THREAT.


    HOWEVER...CONVECTION WITH WELL-DEVELOPED COLD POOL OVER WRN KS
    SHOULD CONTINUE TO MOVE SEWD INTO RICHLY MOIST/UNSTABLE AIR LOCATED
    N OF SFC WARM FRONT THAT WAS ANALYZED NEAR OK BORDER. S OF THAT
    FRONT...HOT/DEEPLY MIXED AIR MAY SUPPORT SVR GUST POTENTIAL WITH ANY
    CONVECTION MOVING SEWD INTO THAT AIR MASS. UPSCALE EXPANSION OF
    WARM-FRONTAL CONVECTION MAY MERGE WITH WRN KS TSTM COMPLEX DURING
    01Z-03Z TIME FRAME OVER S-CENTRAL KS...ENLARGING MCS AND FURTHER
    REINFORCING ITS COLD POOL FOR FORCED ASCENT OF HIGH-THETAE AIR TO
    ITS E...OVER S-CENTRAL/SERN KS AND NERN OK. GIVEN THIS
    POTENTIAL...AND STABILIZATION OF MUCH OF NWRN KS FOR SFC-BASED
    PARCELS CAUSED BY COLD POOL...ADDITIONAL WW IS BEING CONSIDERED THAT
    WOULD INCLUDE MORE OF CENTRAL/SRN KS AND PERHAPS EXTREME NRN
    OK...POSSIBLY AS REPLACEMENT FOR WW 468.


    ..EDWARDS.. 08/05/2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    It's amazing how in Kansas within the width of just four counties you can go from no drought at all to the worst drought category.
    It's amazing that the latest drought monitor shows Carter County to be out of the drought yet my pond that was 12' low to start the year is still 6' low.

    Even more amazing we topped both spillways in November 2011 and April 2012. I had never seen it top both spillways until the November 2011 storm. We went from 14' low to over both spillways in 24 hours that day.

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    5 day forecast for the DFW area.... HOT & HUMID with a 10% chance of rain.. Actually that's the forecast for the month.

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    Pushed to updates to the website today since we are stuck in the slow period of the year: Site Updates ? Mobile Version & New Chat Tests | Weather Spotlight

    First is added the mobile version to the site for public testing. I'm sure there are bugs so just let me know. Access it via: WxSpotlight

    Second, and probably the bigger one, is the new chat room. Finally found a platform that I feel will work. Access it via: Live Chat | Weather Spotlight

    It is open and running right now for testing. I'm not in there all the time, but feel free to go in and see how it feels and let me know if it will work.

    Weather wise looks like we are stuck in this rut for at last a couple more weeks. Joy oh joy.

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    It's much better than the rut we were stuck in at this time last year. LOL

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    Canton getting good drink tonight.

    Front is slowly sagging south. Evening storm activity with shift with it throughout day tomorrow and tomorrow night.

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    Slight Risk today includes all of the Metro area.

    DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
    NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
    0757 AM CDT WED AUG 07 2013


    VALID 071300Z - 081200Z


    ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS ACROSS PARTS OF THE SRN AND
    CNTRL PLAINS...


    ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS ACROSS PARTS OF THE SRN GREAT
    LAKES AND UPPER OH VALLEY...


    ...SRN AND CNTRL PLAINS...
    AN UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH IS FORECAST TO MOVE INTO THE SRN ROCKIES TODAY
    AS SEVERAL IMPULSES MOVE ENEWD INTO THE SRN AND CNTRL PLAINS. AT THE
    SFC...A LOW WILL DEEPEN ACROSS NORTHWEST TX AS SFC WINDS BECOME
    BACKED ACROSS THE TX PANHANDLE...SW KS AND NW OK. SFC DEWPOINTS IN
    THE LOWER TO MID 60S F SHOULD ALLOW FOR MODERATE DESTABILIZATION
    ACROSS MUCH OF THE SRN AND CNTRL PLAINS THIS AFTERNOON. IN
    RESPONSE...SCATTERED TO NUMEROUS THUNDERSTORMS SHOULD INITIATE FROM
    SERN CO EWD ACROSS SRN KS DURING THE MID AFTERNOON WITH CONVECTION
    EXPANDING IN COVERAGE AND MOVING SEWD ACROSS THE SLIGHT RISK AREA.


    FORECAST SOUNDINGS AT PERRYTON TX AND GAGE OK AT 00Z/THU SHOW MLCAPE
    IN THE 1500 TO 2000 J/KG RANGE WITH AROUND 45 KT OF 0-6 KM SHEAR.
    THIS ENVIRONMENT SHOULD BE FAVORABLE FOR SUPERCELLS LATE THIS
    AFTERNOON ESPECIALLY IF CELLS CAN REMAIN DISCRETE. AN ISOLATED
    TORNADO THREAT COULD DEVELOP FROM THE ERN OK PANHANDLE SWD ACROSS
    THE ERN TX PANHANDLE AND WRN OK WHERE SFC WINDS SHOULD BE SELY
    HELPING TO ENHANCE LOW-LEVEL SHEAR. AN ELEVATED MIXED LAYER SHOULD
    EXTEND EWD FROM THE HIGHER TERRAIN OF NE NM EWD ACROSS THE SRN
    PLAINS WHICH SHOULD HELP LARGE HAIL PRODUCTION. STORM COVERAGE IS
    FORECAST TO EXPAND MARKEDLY IN THE EARLY EVENING AS AN MCS ORGANIZES
    AND MOVES SEWD INTO NW AND CNTRL OK WHERE WIND DAMAGE AND HAIL WILL
    BE POSSIBLE. THE WIND DAMAGE THREAT COULD BECOME ENHANCED IF A
    BOWING MCS CAN DEVELOP AS SEVERAL MODELS SUGGEST.

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