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  1. #201

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urbanized View Post
    ^^^^^^^
    Agreed. I think people are letting their opinions regarding the Broadway Park debate too heavily influence opinions regarding this building. I predict it will be one of those that, as it nears completion, people will quickly change their minds about.

    The same complaints regarding lack of urbanist approach can be leveled at buildings in the Boathouse District, but few people go out of their way to dog the design as it's easy there to recognize the fact that a bold architectural statement is also being made; one that goes counter to the perceptions of non-OKC residents. This is likely to be another one of those types of buildings.
    I was "meh" about Broadway Park design. I'm "no" on this design.

    I wouldn't level urban complaints against the Boathouse District because it's a river-oriented district with a separate set of design goals. No comparison.

  2. #202

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    Enter the light: Committee approves design of new Oklahoma Contemporary campus

    By: Molly M. Fleming The Journal Record July 21, 2016

    OKLAHOMA CITY – The Oklahoma Contemporary Arts Center is one step closer to permanently moving downtown.

    The Downtown Design Review Committee approved the center’s new campus at 1200 N. Broadway Ave. It is expected to open in fall 2018.

    “It’s been a long time since we had a significant cultural facility built in this city,” said Liz Eckman, director of the Kirkpatrick Family Fund.

    The organization gave $8 million to the $26 million capital campaign. The Kirkpatrick Family Foundation has committed $2 million toward the campaign, and the arts center has raised 60 percent of its $26 million goal.

    Eckman said the last cultural facility built in the city was likely the Oklahoma City Museum of Art, which opened in 2002.

    The Oklahoma Contemporary Arts Center campus will feature a new 54,000-square-foot, four-story building; a renovated 10,000-square-foot building; and a three-block arts park. Architect Rand Elliott designed the main structure, which is called Folding Light.

    “It celebrates the stunning Oklahoma light,” he said.

    The building’s first floor will have five classrooms and an early-childhood area. The second floor will have a 5,800-square-foot gallery, a photography classroom, a multimedia laboratory, staff offices and two balconies that can be used as outdoor classrooms or event spaces. The third floor is designed with a 150-seat theater, a dance/rehearsal space and a performing arts lobby. The fourth floor will have a theater mezzanine and staff offices.

    The remodeled 10,000-square-foot building will house an industrial arts program.

    “We are very excited about our growth,” said Jeremiah Davis, artistic director with Oklahoma Contemporary. “Based on our extensive research, we think this will add to the cultural life in the city.”

    The DDRC had a few questions for Elliott about the design. There were concerns about the vinyl-coated chain-link fence that separates the property from the railroad tracks to the east. The chain-link fence is not within downtown design regulations; however, the material is being used throughout downtown as part of the railroad’s quiet-area project.

    Urban design planner Lisa Chronister said guidelines regarding how the building sits on the site and the amount of windows in the first-floor classrooms do not apply since it’s such an isolated site.

    “This is a destination place,” she said. “People know they’re going there.”

    Elliott will still need variances on the setback distance, the service area screening, trash screening and the vinyl fencing.

    The project almost did not get approved Thursday. Committee member Danielle Theriault asked if there could be a continuance so more committee members could be present and ask questions. Only four of the seven members attended.

    Elliott said the project will break ground in September, so he’d rather not have a continuance because his team is preparing construction documents. Theriault voted against approving the design.

    “It’s a beautiful project,” said committee member GiGi Faulkner. “It’s such an outstanding contribution to the arts in our city.”

    The Oklahoma Contemporary staff gave a quiet clap once the committee gave its approval. Davis said they were confident it would be allowed to move forward.

  3. #203

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urbanized View Post
    Do I know you? Seems like about the only times I notice you posting here is when you're making a super ****ty reply to one of my posts.
    Their comment was directed at the design and not an attack on you. It's okay for people to disagree...

  4. #204

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I'll reserve judgment until its complete but I'm surprised that so many people feel strongly against it.
    Pretty much hate it

  5. #205

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    I'm not a fan really any of his designs. They all seem to ignore urban principles and seem to be built to look good on Google Earth, and not from up close. I just can't see how this building looks good.
    Yes, this is how I feel. He ignores the human scale and human tenancies to make something that looks interesting from a drone. Just look at the sidewalks at the river. They arent in places where people are walking, but only in paths that look "cool" if you're looking from above. Same for when he tore out mature trees and put in new sidewalks in front of the civic center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWOKCGuy View Post
    Their comment was directed at the design and not an attack on you. It's okay for people to disagree...
    Nah, there is a series of posts where he comes after me pretty directly. There's a pattern. All you have to do is check the first few pages of his posting history to see three or four of them. Before that it was mostly reserved for Spartan and JTF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catcherinthewry View Post
    Really? Feel free to check my post history. Either you must be super paranoid or one of those "the world revolves around me" types. If all it takes is to disagree with you on a couple of issues to get you worked up then maybe you should avoid forums that promote open discussion.
    I did. Before I even posted that comment. Thanks for the advice, though.

    Edit: looked further back and it seems like your dislike for me possibly started over comments I made about Bricktown Towers being iffy. Or maybe before I guess; just wasn't interested in going back further. Either way, whatever. Just wondering if I knew you.

  8. #208

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    For me, I think the design is interesting. My only complaint is the location of the entrance. I'd prefer it facing the transit route.

  9. #209

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    Quote Originally Posted by warreng88 View Post

    Elliott said the project will break ground in September, so he’d rather not have a continuance because his team is preparing construction documents. Theriault voted against approving the design.
    oh the irony. He has no problem putting his foot down and imposing extra cost and hassle to another developer, over personal taste. Yet when it comes to touching his precious little baby, he doesn't want any part of it.

  10. #210

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerrywall View Post
    For me, I think the design is interesting. My only complaint is the location of the entrance. I'd prefer it facing the transit route.
    The design is a nonissue for me, but this is my gripe as well. Flip the structure 180 degrees so the entrance faces the street corner instead of the parking lot.

    Having just moved from near Houston's Museum District, the actual designs of the museum buildings down there were hit or miss (and not overly pedestrian friendly), but many/most of their entrances faced the street, increasing the amount of sidewalk vitality and spillover into nearby restaurants from visitors.

  11. #211

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    They filed their building permit today; not wasting any time.

  12. #212

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    oh the irony. He has no problem putting his foot down and imposing extra cost and hassle to another developer, over personal taste. Yet when it comes to touching his precious little baby, he doesn't want any part of it.
    Exactly. I asked Steve about his thoughts between the two today. The last sentence is the most important.

    Gary T: What are your thoughts on the design of Broadway Park versus the proposed Contemporary Arts Center? I find it interesting Rand would be opposed to balconies on BP and then he proposes something like the CAC.

    Steve Lackmeyer: I saw very uneven treatment given by the Downtown Design Review Committee when it came to the two projects. I question whether project review is becoming a popularity contest.

  13. #213

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    I actually think there are two things driving the response to this building. The first is... People in OKC generally don't like modernist architecture. They like contemporary, they sometimes like mid century modern redos, but not really hard core modernist stuff. It at least had a hand in the outcome of Stage Center.

    The second thing is... Even as a modernist building, this design is kind of weird and not in a good way. I feel like someone is trying to make an homage to something but is critically missing the mark.

    So it's modernist, and it's bad at that. Double whammy.

  14. #214

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urbanized View Post
    I did. Before I even posted that comment. Thanks for the advice, though.

    Edit: looked further back and it seems like your dislike for me possibly started over comments I made about Bricktown Towers being iffy. Or maybe before I guess; just wasn't interested in going back further. Either way, whatever. Just wondering if I knew you.
    Wow, you must be super thin-skinned if you find any of my comments to be "super ****ty". You seem to take it personally if someone disagrees with you. I come to this site to get news and varying ideas about OKC. I've learned a lot by listening to people with views that differ from mine and have also changed my views based on others' ideas that I've read here. This site would be pretty boring if everyone had the same opinions.

    In the future I'd advise you to PM me if you have a problem or a question rather than sidetracking the thread and airing your insecurities in public.

  15. #215

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urbanized View Post
    Nah, there is a series of posts where he comes after me pretty directly. There's a pattern. All you have to do is check the first few pages of his posting history to see three or four of them. Before that it was mostly reserved for Spartan and JTF.
    In my defense, there were plenty of others that had disagreements with Spartan and JTF.

  16. Default Re: Oklahoma Contemporary

    Quote Originally Posted by catcherinthewry View Post
    ...In the future I'd advise you to PM me if you have a problem or a question rather than sidetracking the thread and airing your insecurities in public.
    Hey, I'm not the one hurling insults ("thin-skinned," "insecurities..."). I asked a simple question; whether or not I know you. I have plenty of disagreements on this board (this is well-documented) but haven't ever really felt like I had specific ongoing conflict with anyone.

    You're the only one who sticks out as someone who routinely hurls sarcastic comments in my direction. Made me wonder if you've got a specific issue with me. I asked a question, you've chosen to resort to insults instead of answering, so whatever. Not really interested in pursuing anything further.

  17. #217

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urbanized View Post
    I did. Before I even posted that comment. Thanks for the advice, though.

    Edit: looked further back and it seems like your dislike for me possibly started over comments I made about Bricktown Towers being iffy. Or maybe before I guess; just wasn't interested in going back further. Either way, whatever. Just wondering if I knew you.
    Who has this kind of time on their hands? This should be one of those times where the Admin steps in and says " back to the topic" I hope you guys get it figured out.

  18. Default Re: Oklahoma Contemporary

    Quote Originally Posted by OKIEDOKE View Post
    Who has this kind of time on their hands? This should be one of those times where the Admin steps in and says " back to the topic" I hope you guys get it figured out.
    Part of why I crept back into lurking instead of commenting on things as much is because of how personal some people take these conversations. I enjoy broadening my horizons and being challenged by others in conversation, but sometimes it can be a little tricky to have real conversations on a message board with the personal -- sometimes self-righteous -- undertone that a number of posters post with. It can be difficult to learn from people that are overly faithful in their opinion and anyone that speaks against their opinion has a vendetta towards them.

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    Again, I've had many, many disagreements - even a few heated ones - on this board in a decade-ish of posting. First time I've ever questioned whether someone was following me around and trolling me. I asked a question, it went unanswered (but for a few more personal, ****ty comments) and at this point I'm fine with letting it be as-is.

  20. #220

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    Never mind. I'll repost later.

  21. #221

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    There will be a ground breaking Wednesday @ 5:30PM.

  22. #222

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    There is a certain amount of irony to this.

    It is great architecture, but it's also excessively inward-focused, so much so that it's out of compliance with the zoning code. The same nuanced zoning code and set of overlays that Rand has used to sabotage other nearby projects that he argued were to impactful on the street. Should great architecture constrain itself to zoning code? Should new development have an impact on urban form or not?

    Architecture vs planning

  23. #223

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    I believe in September or October of last year, a groundbreaking ceremony was held for Oklahoma Contemporary but at present, there's absolutely no construction going on. Was this merely symbolic? Is the project still on?

  24. #224

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo1 View Post
    I believe in September or October of last year, a groundbreaking ceremony was held for Oklahoma Contemporary but at present, there's absolutely no construction going on. Was this merely symbolic? Is the project still on?
    Yes, it was symbolic as they had to wait on building permits.

    Should be starting for real very soon.

  25. #225

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    Dirt is now moving on this project:


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