NCAA Conference Realignment

[MikeOKC]

I don't follow. Huskers are gone, and MO still flirts w/ leaving. Whether they are serious, or it is a bluff by MO, what are the
benefits to setting the HQ that far north in the conf., other than to take it out of Texas?

With all these silly realignments with no regional rhyme or reason, they might as well put the Big 12 HQ in the Dominican Republic. It would make as much sense as the anarchy that's (not) running college football today.

[redrunner]

It's not like the HQ is in Austin, TX. The current location in Irving is fine.

[Just the facts]

OU, OSU, Missouri, and Texas A&M will be in the SEC-West in 4 weeks. Auburn and Mississippi St will move to the SEC-East. This season will be the last OU/Texas game.

Never mind - the SEC asked OU last night and OU said no.

http://www.mrsec.com/2011/09/mizzou-...o-sec-is-dead/

“The SEC talked to (Oklahoma president) David Boren late last night about the possibility of MU, OU, and OSU going to the SEC. That was rebuffed. OU is staying in the Big 12.”

[Kokopelli]

Some interesting comments today from the L.A. Times :

"To be clear: Commissioner Larry Scott did meet with Texas and Oklahoma. A deal could have been done if not for some audacious other-end behavior.

The message, as one Bowl Championship Series executive familiar with the situation relayed it this week, was "Texas cannot be trusted."

The Pac-12 was willing to consider expansion again, but not on anyone else's terms.

The audacious part was Oklahoma and Texas acting as if it was their decisions to join the Pac-12, not the other way around."

Here is the link to the story.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...6872008.column

[Jersey Boss]

Never mind - the SEC asked OU last night and OU said no.

http://www.mrsec.com/2011/09/mizzou-...o-sec-is-dead/

What makes me a little skeptical of this statement is the SEC policy of one member per state. Why would OU and OSU be asked?

[Just the facts]

What makes me a little skeptical of this statement is the SEC policy of one member per state. Why would OU and OSU be asked?

Mississippi/Mississippi St, Alabama/Auburn, Tennessee/Vanderbilt. Georgia Tech used to be in the SEC with Georgia but left back in 1964.

[BB37]

It would be a slap at ut and the tx legislators who cited the loss of jobs in the B12 office if the conference went under, but that's about all.

[dcsooner]

It's not like the HQ is in Austin, TX. The current location in Irving is fine.

Disagree, there was no reason for 8 schools from the Big 8 when joined with 4 schools from Texas should have moved the HQ to Texas. Get the hell out of Texas

[dcsooner]

I don't follow. Huskers are gone, and MO still flirts w/ leaving. Whether they are serious, or it is a bluff by MO, what are the
benefits to setting the HQ that far north in the conf., other than to take it out of Texas?

Why must the conference HQ be in Texas? even the NCAA moved from KC to Indy. Does anybody in OK think there are other places besides Texas for anything?

[kevinpate]

Why must the conference HQ be in Texas? even the NCAA moved from KC to Indy. Does anybody in OK think there are other places besides Texas for anything?

I didn't say it should stay in TX. I asked what benefits would come from moving the HQ as far north as KC or STL, in particular when it is not clear what the intentions of MO might be on remaining in the conf.

[MikeOKC]

I guess nobody liked my idea of putting the HQ in the Dominican Republic.

I still say it makes a much sense as all these silly way-out-of-region "realignments."

[venture]

So the run down of the press conferences tonight...

- No member may leave for 6 years unless TV rights are renegotiated.
- Dan Beebe was fired.
- Neinas was hired as expected.
- Conference Expansion Committee is reactivated and pushed to move quickly.
- Tier 1 and 2 television revenues are split equal with the conference now - OU will see a loss in revenue.
- Texas A&M was part of the process in arranging the new agreements so them leaving is up in the air now.
- Missouri is obviously staying now as they were the second major lead in this process with Boren & OU.

[bluedogok]

I didn't say it should stay in TX. I asked what benefits would come from moving the HQ as far north as KC or STL, in particular when it is not clear what the intentions of MO might be on remaining in the conf.

Back to KC would make the most sense, Kansas isn't going anywhere unless they have to and KC is more of a KU town than a Missouri town, Lawrence is much closer than Columbia. They could even put it in the Kansas side of KC. StL is more of a Missouri town.

Texas is and will always be the root of all the problems. The only way any of the other schools should be in a conference with them is under the terms that ALL REVENUE be equally shared, Tier 1, 2 and 3 revenues. That is something we all know that UT will never accept but the time has come to make them acquiesce to the majority instead of acting like the king of the conference.

[dcsooner]

I didn't say it should stay in TX. I asked what benefits would come from moving the HQ as far north as KC or STL, in particular when it is not clear what the intentions of MO might be on remaining in the conf.

Maybe, to minimize the INFLUENCE that comes with having the HQ in the same state with the school with the largest tv network, largest student population, largest endowment, and biggest state

[redrunner]

Maybe, to minimize the INFLUENCE that comes with having the HQ in the same state with the school with the largest tv network, largest student population, largest endowment, and biggest state

That's just it. Devon and CHK wouldn't be headquartered in OKC if it wasn't for the the influence of natural gas and the state of their business. Banks and financial firms wouldn't be HQ in NYC if it wasn't for the fact NYC is the financial capital of the USA. Suggesting that the Big 12 headquarters in a state with the most conference member schools, student population and largest TV ratings move to MO is like suggesting JP Morgan Chase move to Ames, Iowa to escape the influence of the banking industry in NYC.

Also don't forget the Big 12 members voted 7-5 to relocate the HQ to Irving which were the 4 TX schools, OU, OSU and CU.

[ljbab728]

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...nue-conference

[kevinpate]

So the run down of the press conferences tonight...

- No member may leave for 6 years unless TV rights are renegotiated.
- Dan Beebe was fired.
- Neinas was hired as expected.
- Conference Expansion Committee is reactivated and pushed to move quickly.
- Tier 1 and 2 television revenues are split equal with the conference now - OU will see a loss in revenue.
- Texas A&M was part of the process in arranging the new agreements so them leaving is up in the air now.
- Missouri is obviously staying now as they were the second major lead in this process with Boren & OU.

So the end result of the OU bluff to flex its leverage muscle is OU comes out with less revenue, and gives up any real right to bluff further for a few years?

[dcsooner]

That's just it. Devon and CHK wouldn't be headquartered in OKC if it wasn't for the the influence of natural gas and the state of their business. Banks and financial firms wouldn't be HQ in NYC if it wasn't for the fact NYC is the financial capital of the USA. Suggesting that the Big 12 headquarters in a state with the most conference member schools, student population and largest TV ratings move to MO is like suggesting JP Morgan Chase move to Ames, Iowa to escape the influence of the banking industry in NYC.

Also don't forget the Big 12 members voted 7-5 to relocate the HQ to Irving which were the 4 TX schools, OU, OSU and CU.

. notice how all of the northern schools voted NO and the longhorns step children OU and OSU going with their daddy to the south?

The votes by the 7 does not mean it was the "right" decision. OU and others also voted for Bebe and well you know. You can and should correct mistakes once they are known.

In your analogy are you suggesting that Texas is the football capital of the Big XXX? If so, maybe that is part of the problem. It is absolutely appropriate for large corporations to move to Washington, NY etc to exert influence, because they are looking out for the best interest of the stockholders. Texas' application of undue influence for "themselves" rather than the "stockholders" the other 11 universities has led to this debacle

[Just the facts]

Banks and financial firms wouldn't be HQ in NYC if it wasn't for the fact NYC is the financial capital of the USA.

How is that working out for us?

[Roadhawg]

I don't follow. Huskers are gone, and MO still flirts w/ leaving. Whether they are serious, or it is a bluff by MO, what are the
benefits to setting the HQ that far north in the conf., other than to take it out of Texas?

I think OKC is a good central point for the headquarters.

[Roadhawg]

A post I got off a Husker forum...


http://www.therepublic.com/view/stor...OLUMN_6115489/

Oklahoma gasps for air after Texas' blow to gut
By Randy Galloway McClatchy Newspapers

FORT WORTH, Texas — Full credit here to the Children of the Corn, even though that was me some 16 months ago, saying Nebraska sniveled its way out of the Big 12. But it’s also me saying today that the Cornhuskers made a brilliant jump.

Next in line this morning for full credit would be the Texas Aggies. All that Reveille barking was up the right tree.

The message in both cases was simple and direct:

We don’t want our future in football, or anything else, tied to The Man in Austin.

Nebraska got out, and the Aggies are getting out. Both moves involved landing in much more stable football precincts.

Better and much more stable because there is no Daddy DeLoss guarding his Fort Knox-like vault.

Speaking of brilliance, Mr. Dodds is the best in college football in his watchdog role of protecting all things UT, no matter the big-picture consequences for others in his conference family.

It’s greed, it’s arrogance, it’s.…the American way. And certainly the University of Texas way.

Daddy DeLoss is a “(p-r-o-f-e-s-s-i-o-n-a-l”. He will hurt you.

Hello, Oklahoma.

The good folks in Norman were picking themselves up off the floor Wednesday morning, still gasping for breath after that blow to the gut that was delivered the night before.

The Sooners power-played DeLoss and Texas. They thought they could, and I thought if anyone could, they could.

Nope. They couldn’t. I was wrong.

The Aggies’ blueprint is the right way, the only way.

No power play involved at all with A&M. No negotiating, no far-end-of-the-bar deals over beers with DeLoss, and no threats.

The Aggies knew they didn’t want to be tied to Texas any longer, knew they were wanted elsewhere, and without a flexed biceps, or even harsh words, they said bye-bye to Texas University, so long to the orange and white.

Lesson learned this week by Oklahoma:

Have an option before you have threats. And don’t jack around for two weeks with your decision, giving idle chatter of it might be, it could be a move elsewhere, or maybe not. Not if UT changes its Longhorn Network monopoly, and also if DeLoss’ puppet is fired.

Was that supposed to be breaking news that Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is DeLoss’ houseboy? If that was Oklahoma’s worry, why didn’t it come up a year ago, two years ago, or about five minutes after Beebe was hired? It appears Beebe will be fired, but that solves exactly nothing.

The Sooners talked a good game, and I personally loved the show of verbal muscle, but when it came to Jump City, the knees had no spring, and Oklahoma didn’t have the firm invite to move elsewhere.

“Elsewhere” in this case being the very much desired location of the Pac-Whatever out west.

Larry Scott, the commissioner of that conference, took a direct shot at Texas when he announced Tuesday night that the Pac-12 would stay with 12 teams because of the “culture of equality that we are committed to preserve.”

The University of Texas doesn’t do equality. It does greed.

Bottom line:

For the second time, Scott attempted to hijack Big 12 schools (four of them this time) for his conference, and with Dodds not budging off the Longhorn Network hangup, he failed again.

Word from out west Wednesday is Scott was “appalled” at the arrogance of DeLoss. Larry, Larry, Larry. Who the heck did you think you were dealing with?

Yes, the Pac-12 would have taken Oklahoma State and Texas Tech in the package, even if there was no desire to do so. But those two would be attached to Texas and Oklahoma, two of the biggest monsters in the business.

The other three were ready to go, and so was Texas, provided Texas got the final say on all the side deals.

A year ago, Texas was also ready to go, but Texas A&M was then in the package. It was the Aggies who killed that deal by refusing to move west.

The embarrassing news for Oklahoma late Tuesday night was the Pac-12 didn’t want the Sooners-Oklahoma State two-team package. Texas had to be involved. That’s why it’s very difficult at the moment to take a deep breath in Norman.

Exactly what the Aggies and Nebraska wanted to escape — being tied to DeLoss’ shoestrings — that’s where Oklahoma still finds itself.

Meanwhile, the word was already out that the Sooners had no desire for an SEC move because the school is attempting to raise its academic and football honesty image. One SEC official did say Wednesday that the conference had “issues” with considering the Sooners as a 14th team.

I wouldn’t, however, necessarily rule out the mutual interest.

It’s also a bit premature to say the Big 12 has been saved again, but if that’s indeed the case, the next question is, saved for how long? Last season, it was a conference operating on a foundation of quicksand, and at the moment the quicksand is even deeper.

When Oklahoma stepped out there the last two weeks with some strong words, it opened deeper wounds. Plus, the Sooners learned a valuable lesson:

Don’t talk tough unless you have guaranteed options. (See the Aggies.)

Otherwise, Daddy DeLoss will hurt you

[venture]

So the end result of the OU bluff to flex its leverage muscle is OU comes out with less revenue, and gives up any real right to bluff further for a few years?

Pretty much. Texas gets to keep the TLN for now and at the end of the day nothing has really changed it seems. OU's insistence on being married to OSU and the ties to Texas appear to forever keep us in this abusive relationship.

[Just the facts]

It appears that it will take no less than David Boren climbing to the top of Texas Tower and finishing up the work of Charles Whitman to make some people happy. Mob mentality has taken over. That is probably OUs fault for allowing the mob to congregrate in the first place.

[Kokopelli]

For a moment of comic relief check out the fake Dan Beebe twitter melddown. Courtesy of Sam Mellinger at the Kansas City Star.
http://twitter.com/#!/DanBeebe

[venture]

Texas A&M was officially accepted today into the SEC. Appears they are still trying to get Missouri, but that likely won't happen. Their fall back would appear to be Virginia Tech or Florida State.