Population Growth for OKC

[Swake]

Do you not know how the census works? They donÂ’t add cities or counties to a MSA or CSA because itÂ’s close by or some other nonsensical or anecdotal reasons. They go off commuter patterns and commuter percentage.

Also, if numbers are revised in one direction or the other, itÂ’s very minimal. ItÂ’s not a drastic number. Ever.

Mayes County can see a big change. It's not even a micropolitain area because Pryor doesn't have 10,000 people. Yet. With the explosive growth at Mid-America park, Mayes County should be part of the Tulsa CSA and maybe even MSA someday based on commuting patterns to the park. But by US Census rule the primary city in a county has to have 10,000 people for the county to become a Micropolitan Area. Pryor needs 433 more people to get there. Once that happens I would expect Mayes to be added to the Tulsa CSA.

Cherokee County has gone back and forth with being part of the Tulsa CSA based on commuting patterns (I assume to Muskogee). It currently is not. Eventually as the Broken Arrow area grows towards Muskogee and the Owasso area grows towards Bartlesville, Washington and Muskogee counties will be part of the Tulsa MSA.

[josh]

Mayes County can see a big change. It's not even a micropolitain area because Pryor doesn't have 10,000 people. Yet. With the explosive growth at Mid-America park, Mayes County should be part of the Tulsa CSA and maybe even MSA someday based on commuting patterns to the park. But by US Census rule the primary city in a county has to have 10,000 people for the county to become a Micropolitan Area. Pryor needs 433 more people to get there. Once that happens I would expect Mayes to be added to the Tulsa CSA.

Cherokee County has gone back and forth with being part of the Tulsa CSA based on commuting patterns (I assume to Muskogee). It currently is not. Eventually as the Broken Arrow area grows towards Muskogee and the Owasso area grows towards Bartlesville, Washington and Muskogee counties will be part of the Tulsa MSA.

If it met the criteria to be added, it’d be added. It doesn’t. It’s that simple.

[Swake]

If it met the criteria to be added, it’d be added. It doesn’t. It’s that simple.

That's my point, Mayes county does yet meet the criteria, not based on commute patterns, but based on the central city of Pryor not having at least 10,000 people, which it will have in the next couple of years.

[UrbanistPoke]

That's my point, Mayes county does yet meet the criteria, not based on commute patterns, but based on the central city of Pryor not having at least 10,000 people, which it will have in the next couple of years.

I don't think he reads or if he does he's a troll or can't comprehend basic discussions.

[UrbanistPoke]

Mayes County can see a big change. It's not even a micropolitain area because Pryor doesn't have 10,000 people. Yet. With the explosive growth at Mid-America park, Mayes County should be part of the Tulsa CSA and maybe even MSA someday based on commuting patterns to the park. But by US Census rule the primary city in a county has to have 10,000 people for the county to become a Micropolitan Area. Pryor needs 433 more people to get there. Once that happens I would expect Mayes to be added to the Tulsa CSA.

Cherokee County has gone back and forth with being part of the Tulsa CSA based on commuting patterns (I assume to Muskogee). It currently is not. Eventually as the Broken Arrow area grows towards Muskogee and the Owasso area grows towards Bartlesville, Washington and Muskogee counties will be part of the Tulsa MSA.

Cherokee County is another example like you mentioned. The Tulsa area has always been vastly under estimated in terms of regional population. When you consider those areas the population of the Tulsa area is easily over 1.2 million and pushing 1.3 million. Oklahoma City's chamber even includes Payne County (Stillwater) as part of the OKC metro area in marketing materials. It's dumb to dismiss the idea that these areas aren't connected and function together as a collective region just because some BS metric about commuting the Census uses especially given remote work. It's an antiquated model. There is a reason why the Thunder was successful because it was able to build up a big fan base in Wichita, Tulsa, etc. and any pro sports in this region would benefit from that as well. The Thunder is also pretty popular in NWA/SW Missouri too. OKC leadership pitching the broader reason was absolutely correct and should be done more often.

[Rover]

Cherokee County is another example like you mentioned. The Tulsa area has always been vastly under estimated in terms of regional population. When you consider those areas the population of the Tulsa area is easily over 1.2 million and pushing 1.3 million. Oklahoma City's chamber even includes Payne County (Stillwater) as part of the OKC metro area in marketing materials. It's dumb to dismiss the idea that these areas aren't connected and function together as a collective region just because some BS metric about commuting the Census uses especially given remote work. It's an antiquated model. There is a reason why the Thunder was successful because it was able to build up a big fan base in Wichita, Tulsa, etc. and any pro sports in this region would benefit from that as well. The Thunder is also pretty popular in NWA/SW Missouri too. OKC leadership pitching the broader reason was absolutely correct and should be done more often.

There’s a difference in considering a marketing area and a metropolitan area. Quit conflating the two to try to promote Tulsa.

[UrbanistPoke]

There’s a difference in considering a marketing area and a metropolitan area. Quit conflating the two to try to promote Tulsa.

What a ridiculously dumb response. Yes. I want to promote Tulsa AND Oklahoma City. Where did I say anything negative? I am literally pointing out stupid things about how the Census looks at MSA/CSA and gave examples of both areas. Do you read either? Tell me exactly where that response hurt you lol

[Rover]

What a ridiculously dumb response. Yes. I want to promote Tulsa AND Oklahoma City. Where did I say anything negative? I am literally pointing out stupid things about how the Census looks at MSA/CSA and gave examples of both areas. Do you read either? Tell me exactly where that response hurt you lol

Ouch. You got me. My turn to lol

[UrbanistPoke]

Ouch. You got me. My turn to lol

I guess with you someone could just jump out and say "Tulsa" instead of "Boo" and you'd freak out. I guess it's a forbidden word. Thou shall not say Tulsa on OKCTalk unless it's to **** on the city.

[Rover]

I guess with you someone could just jump out and say "Tulsa" instead of "Boo" and you'd freak out. I guess it's a forbidden word. Thou shall not say Tulsa on OKCTalk unless it's to **** on the city.

Got me again. That’s probably why I lived in Tulsa.

Now, if we can stop the school yard banter…

The earlier point made earlier is that some on here try so hard to promote the Tulsa area even when data doesn’t support it, and they don’t let it grow. A thread about OKC growth gets hijacked again.

You should start a thread on Tulsa growth.