Population Growth for OKC

[HOT ROD]

Yeah!!!!

Interestingly they got the density of Oklahoma City totally wrong!!

Other cities with low population densities include Chesapeake, Virginia (274/km²); Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (332/km²);

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Oklahoma City

Oklahoma

669,347

582,516

164

606

??? Isn't OKC's density at 1,105 per square mile (669,347/606)? ???

Also interesting they said Tulsa was the only city with 0.0% growth.

[KayneMo]

Yeah!!!!

Interestingly they got the density of Oklahoma City totally wrong!!





??? Isn't OKC's density at 1,105 per square mile (669,347/606)? ???

Also interesting they said Tulsa was the only city with 0.0% growth.

Weird. I checked several of the densities and they were all wrong.

[Teo9969]

Well dang - Among the 66 municipalities that have 300k people or more as of 2021, OKC ranks 18th. If you take out non-principal cities of MSAs, OKC climbs up to 15th (Henderson, NV + Mesa, AZ + Aurora, CO are all suburbs of larger cities).

I was surprised to see that Austin was not #1. I haven't paid attention to these statistics since probably 2014, but for the first 4 years of the decade, Austin look like it was going to end up a good clip ahead of everyone else in growth. Seattle and Forth Worth ended up growing at a greater percentage.

Growing faster than Nashville and Kansas City I think shows just how many things we're doing right.

I think we'll probably stagger a bit out of the gate in the 2020s even more so than a lot of cities, but I bet we see some really interesting things come out between 2024 and 2026 that really set up for a good growth clip between 2030 and 2040.

[Laramie]

The 200 Largest Cities in the United States by Population 2021 https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities

Oklahoma City Metro Population is also listed: Metro Population - 1,439,640
Tulsa's Metro Population eclipsed 1 million: Metro Population - 1,009,610

Click on the city and it will give you the Metro Population figure in the right column.

[SEMIweather]

Think OKC could actually be positioned well over the next few years with the Core-to-Shore vision finally completed and seemingly fewer local restaurants and shops closing here than in most other cities.

[josh]

Growing faster than Nashville and Kansas City I think shows just how many things we're doing right.

I think we'll probably stagger a bit out of the gate in the 2020s even more so than a lot of cities, but I bet we see some really interesting things come out between 2024 and 2026 that really set up for a good growth clip between 2030 and 2040.

Do you mean city growth? Because metro growth wise, in the last ten years Kansas City and
OKC grew about the same in terms of raw numbers. Nashville doubled both OKC and KC in raw growth.

In terms of percentage, over the ten years OKC averaged 1.2 percent growth a year. Kansas City averaged .8 percent yearly growth over the ten years. The last decade KC had consistent above 1 percent growth was the 90s. So, that just tells you Kansas City has had very slow growth for decades now. Nashville grew by 1.7 percent yearly.

[mugofbeer]

It looks like differences between city-proper population vs. metro area.

[Rover]

But OKC proper growth is good, right? Means higher density core.

[Laramie]

Think OKC could actually be positioned well over the next few years with the Core-to-Shore vision finally completed and seemingly fewer local restaurants and shops closing here than in most other cities.

Something of which we all have our fingers crossed. Personally, IMO I feel that our rebound is right around the corner .

The good first sign will be the old Chelino's restaurant reopening or under a different name brand in Bricktown. Can't help but recall then Mayor Cornett saying he wanted to diversify OKC's economy where we don't have everything tied to the energy sector.

It's tough times in Tulsa where WPX had to merge with Devon and moved everything to Oklahoma City. Imagine what our sister city is experiencing. Glad they stayed in Oklahoma and not swept up by a Houston energy giant.

[HOT ROD]

OKC is quickly gaining on Nashville, El Paso, and Boston. ...

also interesting that OKC is the 15th largest NBA city.

[Jersey Boss]

OKC is quickly gaining on Nashville, El Paso, and Boston. ...

also interesting that OKC is the 15th largest NBA city.

What is your source on the Thunder? Everything I have seen to date has OKC in third smallest behind SLC and Milwaukee.

[Bellaboo]

What is your source on the Thunder? Everything I have seen to date has OKC in third smallest behind SLC and Milwaukee.

Maybe he's talking TV market share. The Thunder covers all of Oklahoma and Kansas which includes KC ?

[Jersey Boss]

Of course I am basing it on city limits population.

[KayneMo]

NBA Cities by City Proper Population (2019 US Census estimate)
1. New York - 8,336,800
2. Los Angeles - 3,979,600
3. Toronto - 2,731,600 (2016 Canadian Census)
4. Chicago - 2,694,000
5. Houston - 2,320,300
6. Phoenix - 1,681,000
7. Philadelphia - 1,584,000
8. San Antonio - 1,547,300
9. Dallas - 1,343,600
10. Charlotte - 885,700
11. San Francisco - 881,500
12. Indianapolis - 876,400
13. Denver - 727,200
14. Washington DC - 705,700
15. Boston - 692,600
16. Detroit - 670,000
17. OKC - 655,100
18. Portland - 654,700
19. Memphis - 651,100
20. Milwaukee - 590,200
21. Sacramento - 513,600
22. Atlanta - 506,800
23. Miami - 468,000
24. Minneapolis - 429,600
25. New Orleans - 390,100
26. Cleveland - 381,000
27. Orlando - 287,400
28. Salt Lake City - 200,600

NBA Cities by Metropolitan Population (2019 US Census estimate)
1. New York - 19,216,000
2. Los Angeles - 13,215,000
3. Chicago - 9,459,000
4. Dallas-Ft Worth - 7,573,000
5. Houston - 7,066,000
6. Toronto - 6,418,000 (2016 Canadian Census)
7. Washington DC - 6,281,000
8. Miami - 6,167,000
9. Philadelphia - 6,102,000
10. Atlanta - 6,020,000
11. Phoenix - 4,948,000
12. Boston - 4,873,000
13. San Francisco - 4,732,000
14. Detroit - 4,320,000
15. Minneapolis - 3,655,000
16. Denver - 2,967,000
17. Charlotte - 2,637,000
18. Orlando - 2,608,000
19. San Antonio - 2,551,000
20. Portland - 2,492,000
21. Sacramento - 2,364,000
22. Indianapolis - 2,075,000
23. Cleveland - 2,048,000
24. Milwaukee - 1,575,000
25. OKC - 1,409,000
26. Memphis - 1,346,000
27. New Orleans - 1,271,000
28. Salt Lake City - 1,233,000

[HOT ROD]

What is your source on the Thunder? Everything I have seen to date has OKC in third smallest behind SLC and Milwaukee.

I was just extrapolating from the population chart that was posted a few days ago. And I'm using city population from the chart, not metro or market.

From KaynMo's chart above, he's right as I missed Washington DC and didn't include Toronto in my eye count. ...

I would think OKC's market would be ahead of New Orleans and Memphis as well since our metro area is ahead of theirs, but I know how they like to give other cities huge swaths of area to prop up their media markets while confining OKC to just central and very low populated northwestern OK.

[gopokes88]

I was just extrapolating from the population chart that was posted a few days ago. And I'm using city population from the chart, not metro or market.

From KaynMo's chart above, he's right as I missed Washington DC and didn't include Toronto in my eye count. ...

I would think OKC's market would be ahead of New Orleans and Memphis as well since our metro area is ahead of theirs, but I know how they like to give other cities huge swaths of area to prop up their media markets while confining OKC to just central and very low populated northwestern OK.

OKC's media market isn't tiny by any stretch though. Probably moves us up the list a little. All of OK + parts of Kansas +parts of Ark, pushes us over 4,000,000 eyeballs

[PoliSciGuy]

OKC's market is only western/central OK. Tulsa has the eastern part of the state.

[gopokes88]

OKC's market is only western/central OK. Tulsa has the eastern part of the state.

For clarity when I said OKC i meant the thunder as that's what they're discussing

[Bellaboo]

OKC's market is only western/central OK. Tulsa has the eastern part of the state.

It's Fox Southwest coverage. It's much bigger than Oklahoma. I've talked to people from Springfield MO who say they watch the Thunder on a regular basis too.

My brother in Arizona told me five years ago that their cable provider carried the Thunder. He said they were on more than the Suns were.

[Laramie]

NBA's Six smallest markets

(Markets under 2 million MSA Populations.)

Milwaukee, WI - MSA Population 1,577,550 TV Homes (895,700) Urban Population - 587,721
Oklahoma City, OK - MSA Population 1,439,640 - TV Homes (722,140) Urban Population - 669,347
Memphis, TN - MSA Population 1,353,140 TV Homes (633,930) Urban Population - 651,011
New Orleans, LA - MSA Population 1,271,320 - TV Homes (641,620) Urban Population - 641,620
Salt Lake City, UT - MSA Population 1,260,730 TV Homes (916,960) Urban Population - 200,831

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[okccowan]

Why does Salt Lake City have so many more TV Homes? Do they count all of Utah as SLC TV Homes? It seems that if you combined Tulsa's TV homes, OKC Thunder would have a much higher TV homes ranking

[mugofbeer]

Utah probably stretches into Montana and Idaho.

[Laramie]

Why does Salt Lake City have so many more TV Homes? Do they count all of Utah as SLC TV Homes? It seems that if you combined Tulsa's TV homes, OKC Thunder would have a much higher TV homes ranking

My understanding is Salt Lake City counts all of Utah. Which they should; therefore, Tulsa & Oklahoma City have a combined TV homes of 1,253,371 counting the 531,230 TV homes in the Tulsa market. Mick Cornett sold the NBA on a combined Oklahoma TV homes market as Fox Oklahoma is aired in Tulsa.

Those figures are from 2017:

2017 Nielsen DMA Rankings – Full List: https://www.lyonspr.com/latest-nielsen-dma-rankings/

Here is the 2021 Nielsen DMA Rankings - Full List: https://mediatracks.com/resources/ni...rankings-2021/

Oklahoma City (755,340) & Tulsa (552,980) now have a combined Oklahoma total: 1,308,320. Also Wichita Falls-Lawton (153,870) and Sherman-Ada (135,390) are not listed in Oklahoma City market; don't know if they carry Fox Oklahoma. With Fort Sill-Lawton, the area probably carries Thunder games because of the high military population.

Utah 1,100,260, I don't see a separate listing for West Valley City, Provo or West Jordan (All Utah cities with 100,000+) so they are probably included in the SLC's Utah, Market. Our poster Hot Rod can probably expand on these market figures.

[HOT ROD]

Hey Larry, Im in Seattle not SLC. But I too have often wondered why SLC has always had a higher 'market' than OKC. You'd think Milwaukee's would be larger since WI is significantly larger than Utah (and Oklahoma is significantly larger than Utah as well and about equal to Louisiana). ...

If OKC's is relatively small then a smaller city/metro should be even smaller. But from the chart, interesting that OKC is solidly the 4th smallest metro, largest of the smallest cities, 3rd of the smallest markets.

The true media market is what I think of where the local media broadcasts, if OKC logically had Oklahoma catchment other than Tulsa then we'd have a market well over 1m (which is probably the figure the NBA should be using), with Tulsa well north of 1.6m, with KS, MO, W AR, W TX catchment probably north of 4m total.


Just for curiosity sakes, we/Seattle are considered part of Portland's NBA catchment - so I am not able to see most of Portland games including last nights against OKC even though I have NBA OKC league pass on sling, even nationally televised. (might be an issue I will take up with the NBA, particularly since there is no in-game attendance anyway due to covid- why are they blacking out ANY broadcasts esp my supposed all-OKC package. ....)

[Swake]

Hey Larry, Im in Seattle not SLC. But I too have often wondered why SLC has always had a higher 'market' than OKC. You'd think Milwaukee's would be larger since WI is significantly larger than Utah (and Oklahoma is significantly larger than Utah as well and about equal to Louisiana). ...

If OKC's is relatively small then a smaller city/metro should be even smaller. But from the chart, interesting that OKC is solidly the 4th smallest metro, largest of the smallest cities, 3rd of the smallest markets.

The true media market is what I think of where the local media broadcasts, if OKC logically had Oklahoma catchment other than Tulsa then we'd have a market well over 1m (which is probably the figure the NBA should be using), with Tulsa well north of 1.6m, with KS, MO, W AR, W TX catchment probably north of 4m total.


Just for curiosity sakes, we/Seattle are considered part of Portland's NBA catchment - so I am not able to see most of Portland games including last nights against OKC even though I have NBA OKC league pass on sling, even nationally televised. (might be an issue I will take up with the NBA, particularly since there is no in-game attendance anyway due to covid- why are they blacking out ANY broadcasts esp my supposed all-OKC package. ....)

Salt Lake's CSA, which adds the Provo and Ogden MSAs, is larger than the Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Indianapolis, Cincinnati and Nashville's CSAs:

Combined Statistical Areas (2019):
Salt Lake City-Provo-Orem, UT Combined Statistical Area - 2,641,048
Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI Combined Statistical Area - 2,047,966
New Orleans-Metairie-Hammond, LA-MS Combined Statistical Area - 1,507,017
Oklahoma City-Shawnee, OK Combined Statistical Area - 1,481,542
Memphis-Forrest City, TN-MS-AR Combined Statistical Area - 1,371,039

Tulsa-Muskogee-Bartlesville, OK Combined Statistical Area - 1,118,150