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    Default Ed Kelley Leaves Oklahoman For the Washington Times

    http://www.newsok.com/ed-kelley-to-b...ad_story_title

    A man of great character, intellect and reserve. He'll be missed.

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    Nah

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    Here's the parallel story in the Washington Times: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...hington-times/

    According to its own description there, the Washington Times is a politically conservative paper, and it says this about its own history:

    The Washington Times, a newspaper that has served the nation's capital and a worldwide readership for 28 years, has been sold to a group operating on behalf of the paper's founder, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon.
    At this link, the November 2, 2010, Washington Times gives more background:

    The Washington Times, a newspaper that has served the nation’s capital and a worldwide readership for 28 years, has been sold to a group operating on behalf of the paper’s founder, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon. The new owners promised the paper will continue to provide a robust voice in current affairs.

    “We’ll continue to keep the highest standard in journalistic excellence in this leading democratic country that upholds the values of freedom, faith, family and service,” said Douglas D.M. Joo, speaking on behalf of the five-member board that will oversee The Times.

    Mr. Joo said the paper will expand its print and multimedia products, and will boost circulation and offerings such as sports, metropolitan news and entertainment coverage.

    Editor-at-large Arnaud de Borchgrave said he was “elated to hear that the newspaper I had the privilege of editing for almost seven years is back in fighting trim after a patch of rough weather.” Mr. de Borchgrave, who helmed the paper during the 1980s, said it “will continue to be a vital voice in reporting domestic and foreign stories frequently ignored by the dominant media culture.”

    The deal to sell The Times to TWT Holdings, which is owned by HSA-UWC, was finalized Monday evening. It comes at the end of a complex year for the paper, which underwent a management shuffle, staff and circulation cuts, and now is once again being led by many of those who operated the paper before the transfer.

    The Washington Times' building on New York Avenue in Washington, D.C.

    The selling price was $1, plus assumption of liabilities, which the new owners said will be paid from an escrow account.

    Mr. Joo said the paper benefited over the years from a “considerable amount of financial support” from Rev. Moon, the founder of the worldwide Unification Church. He said that commitment remains strong.
    Not having heard of the Washington Times before, Googling the name produced this Wikipedia article. Reading through it causes me to wonder how Mr. Kelley sees this move ... and also causes me to wonder why he is making it.

    He certainly does appear to me to have done a more than decent job as editor of the Oklahoman, perhaps better than his predecessors. I wish him well and hope that he does not come to regret this move.

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    Not a fan, sorry to hear he's coming this way, sigh. Kind of a homer kinda guy

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    Ed has work experience, business contacts and family members in the District, so it's a natural fit. The Times has been reorganized in the past year and likely restructured their revenue model (I didn't look for pay walls and the like on their site), so Ed will find a new direction with few surprises. The Washington Times has been a conservative foil to the Post for 30 years. As to the Unification Church angle of Rev. Moon, I don't see much in that. The owners of the Oklahoman are Episcopalians, yet they've devoted more articles and inches to local Catholic parishes than any other in the past few months.

    I suppose that people will read in this what they want, but Ed's a smart guy and had many reasons to stay here; a move to the Times obviously presented him with more opportunities, whatever they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Loudenback View Post
    ... He certainly does appear to me to have done a more than decent job as editor of the Oklahoman, perhaps better than his predecessors. ...
    I have no quarrel with the man, and will simply note I canna recall a time before Kelley when I read a DOK OpEd piece and thought 'well, spot on."

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    The Oklahoma was definitely more progressive under Kelly and I hope that trend continues with his replacement.

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    The Washington Time is an absolute rag of a paper and is a complete joke. It's owned by the Rev Sun Myung Moon and is used to further his political and religious beliefs, which include him being the second coming of Jesus.

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    It makes me wonder what the state of affairs really is at The Dark Tower these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bornhere View Post
    It makes me wonder what the state of affairs really is at The Dark Tower these days.
    I have friends who are publishers of a newspaper in a suburb of OKC who have told me that the Daily Oklahoma is up for sale? The source is very reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swake2 View Post
    The Washington Time is an absolute rag of a paper and is a complete joke. It's owned by the Rev Sun Myung Moon and is used to further his political and religious beliefs, which include him being the second coming of Jesus.
    Sounds like the Washington Times will be a great fit for Mr. Kelley, then, having been editor of a newspaper that features a prayer to Jesus on the front page each day.

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    I've heard the up-for-sale report as well, but I have no idea why the person who told me would know anything about it. Is anyone buying metro dailies now?

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    A lot of people regularly buy subscription copies of the Oklahoman, me included, and that's true for most of my residential neighbors. I don't have the idea that subscription or single copy revenue is the issue ... instead, advertising revenues appears to be the main problem, as I understand it, but it may well be both. Have you noticed how few pages are now devoted to classified ads compared with years gone by ... the number of pages for the same is way down. Now, my neighbors are largely in the over-50 demographic, and I don't know if my personal experience matches those who are younger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by semisimple View Post
    Sounds like the Washington Times will be a great fit for Mr. Kelley, then, having been editor of a newspaper that features a prayer to Jesus on the front page each day.
    I understand what you are saying, but your comment does not give due regard for Kelley, in my opinion. In his tenure as Oklahoman Editor, he has taken several progressive stances, many more than his predecessors in office did. He may prove to be too "liberal" (in context) for the Washington Times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Loudenback View Post
    Now, my neighbors are largely in the over-50 demographic, and I don't know if my personal experience matches those who are younger.
    I'm 26. I don't know a single person my age that has a newspaper delivery subscription. I think that is pretty common too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG918 View Post
    I'm 26. I don't know a single person my age that has a newspaper delivery subscription. I think that is pretty common too.
    Near on double that, and only recently restarted a wed + weekend special rate subscription for a year. Was cheaper to do that than buy online, plus the lovely and the eldest have come down with a coupon bug, and I dinna want the lovely out seeking coupons from strangers on the street, lol

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    Although I don't always agree with their opinions and there is always room for improvement, I've been a pretty big fan of the Oklahoman over the years. Their on-line presence is particularly progressive and they do a good job of covering local business and sports, the two areas where it's hard to find information elsewhere.

    But I'm worried about them. The industry as a whole is really suffering but OPUBCO has laid off tons of people recently and I'm hoping this latest development is not an indication of a sinking ship.

    For all the abuse aimed at it (most of it mis-guided IMO) losing that publication would be devastating to the community.

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    I apparently have assumed more subscribe than do, if the above responses are a good measure. I don't know if the Oklahoman publishes circulation numbers like it once did (right under the front page banner, as I recall).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Loudenback View Post
    I apparently have assumed more subscribe than do, if the above responses are a good measure. I don't know if the Oklahoman publishes circulation numbers like it once did (right under the front page banner, as I recall).
    I don't know either, Doug. What I do know is that if Mr. G (the original, who died at 103) were still around the situation would be quite different.

    He was still running things when I went to work on the rim at the Times back in late 1955; spent four years there, the last three on the Oklahoman as staff writer and finally police reporter, and left in 1959. At that time, it was a strong and vigorous publication. Sure, its coverage was slanted, but the slant was solely in the choice of what items would see print. My city editor told me at one time "It isn't news until we print it" and that was the general attitude. It was also true that endorsement of an issue via a front-page editorial was essentially a kiss of death for that issue, because so many of the readers automatically opposed anything that OPubCo was for.

    I supported them for more than 50 years, through thick and thin. However the quality went so far down about a year ago that I finally canceled my subscription. By the time it did, 8 pages was not an uncommon size for the Monday edition. We did more than that at the Daily Ardmoreite when I worked there!

    These days I get most of my news over the web, from the BBC, and local news from the TV screen and from the forums here. I'm sorry to hear that "the great moral daily" (as the late Roy Stewart used to call it) is up for sale, but they'll be lucky to find anyone to take it off their hands! They long ago exhausted all their good will and are now coasting on inertia.

    I'm just glad that Ralph Sewell, Dave Funderburk, and Chan Guffey haven't survived to see what has happened to the institution they knew and loved.

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    Good comments, Jim. I've sent you a PM.

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    I cannot imagine that this move is entirely due to Kelley's interest in working for the Washington Times. It is not a well-regarded publication. One wonders if something internal occurred to give Mr. Kelley pause to continue working there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Loudenback View Post
    A lot of people regularly buy subscription copies of the Oklahoman, me included, and that's true for most of my residential neighbors. I don't have the idea that subscription or single copy revenue is the issue ... instead, advertising revenues appears to be the main problem, as I understand it, but it may well be both. Have you noticed how few pages are now devoted to classified ads compared with years gone by ... the number of pages for the same is way down. Now, my neighbors are largely in the over-50 demographic, and I don't know if my personal experience matches those who are younger.
    As someone who works for a business that occasionally advertises in the Oklahoman I can tell that the paper is notorious for having some of the highest advertising rates in the country. I suspect that plays a part in declining ads.

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    I just hope the replacement will move more away from the history of the Daily Jokelehoman. Whatever "progress" that was made while he was there, is still a joke. The paper is failing and they aren't doing what they need to in order for it to stay afloat. When the "dark tower" empties out because they can't pay for the reporters, then you'll see an even worse product (which is hard to believe).

    I'm not looking for it to compete with a national paper or anything. I just want it to be worth something. You see better business articles out of OKC Business and the Journal Record. And as long as someone like Jennie Carlson is writing for sports, you know exactly what sort of crap articles you're going to read. We've got crap that's more opinion than fact all over the paper. Like so much media, the act or reporting is gone and the "articles" are almost a blog on a given topic for the day. Help educate the people on issues going on in the legislature for one. No one has any idea on what they are voting for because there isn't anything that tells them about it. Most people get their 2 minute short on the local news and that's it....not enough to form an educated opinion to vote with. SPELL THINGS CORRECTLY!!!! OMG, it bugs the crap out of me when EVERY time i pick up the paper, I find something misspelled or just plainly edited poorly. Something that might help is taking a look at the volume of information that goes into a normal daily. Is it took much? Are you making a quantity over quality decision? Most cities I visit don't have nearly the amount of extra "crap" sections in there. The less paper in there, the better the cost/profit per paper is too. The list goes on and on with what could be done, I'm just picking some low hanging fruit here. It's just sad that the thing is putting itself out to pasture and they don't seem that worried about it.

    FYI - even though many local papers were put out of business by the sheer volume of the Daily Joke, just about every single one of those papers were a better paper. See the "Oklahoma Journal" for example.

    Anyone else also notice that they turned the comment option off for his article? Hmmm, wonder why.

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    The Washington Times is like the Washington Post's ugly stepchild. There is one big paper in DC - the Post. The Post has over 500,000 daily circulation (nearly double that on Sundays) while the Times has a little under 50,000. I really hope Ed is successful, but I fear that this is a poor move for him.

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    Well, we still have Friday, the Gazette, and the Sentinel -- and unfortunately I agree with you that they're all doing better journalism than the ex-behemoth.

    Several years ago, Columbia University compiled a list of the "worst newspapers in the country" and our city's representative led the list. At the time, I defended it to my colleagues (editors of a small national magazine) but I must admit now that it deserves that honor. Watching its death throes is painful...

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