Parking Ticket ( on grass/unpaved)

[Zuplar]

Code enforcement would have a field day by me. They could probably fill the states budget if they wanted. I personally have 2 trailers parked on a very nice crushed concrete pad in my back yard. Mine by far is nicer than everyone else around me, but I'm assuming mine is technically illegal as well.

[oklip955]

I am one that should never live in town. I'd be the one shot for telling code enforcemetn to get off my place and be out there popping off a few rounds. There is a reason why I live out in the country.

[OkiePoke]

Has the city provided a definition of 'Hard Surface'?

[Pete]

Has the city provided a definition of 'Hard Surface'?

Generally speaking, it has to be paved in a permanent way.

So concrete, asphalt or pavers. Not sure anything else would meet the standard.


You may see things like crushed granite at the development that houses Sunnyside Diner and Revolucion, but they had to adhere to strict standards and get a variance.

[OkiePoke]

Generally speaking, it has to be paved in a permanent way.

So concrete, asphalt or pavers. Not sure anything else would meet the standard.


You may see things like crushed granite at the development that houses Sunnyside Diner and Revolucion, but they had to adhere to strict standards and get a variance.

Regulatory persons make wording generic, that is why I asked. I haven't seen any definition from the City regarding Hard Surface.

I would agree with you, but would consider 1.5"- to be a hard surface if it was framed in or intently positioned.

OKC has a problem with being urban. The driveways in my neighborhood should be concrete. The driveways in some rural parts of OKC could be gravel. It is difficult to write a blanket ordinance like this with such varying landscape/zones.

[Pete]

Just so people understand, most of OKC's municipal code is boilerplate that other cities use as well. It's not like they wrote the whole thing from scratch.

My previous residence in California had almost the exact same code and wording.

[mkjeeves]

Total abuse of many citizens by the city, starting in 1988 when they passed this law and more so when they raised the cost to $100 and started fining people. It is not applied in any rational or fair way. As has been pointed out, there are plenty of gravel lots around the city in use legally through variances or otherwise.

This is the code I was cited for while parked squarely in a gravel driveway that's been there since the '50s. Many of the people in my neighborhood have similar driveways. The grandfather clause was written tightly enough to exclude almost everyone. Mine does not fit the exclusion because it is not exactly a rectangle. One corner is curved.

This does not apply to residences with more than one acre. About 4 doors down from me a homeowner has more than an acre, has about 12 cars parked on gravel in various places in his front yard. Code enforcement stops by periodically to see if they are all on gravel and he does not get cited, according to him. I mow over an acre counting the city right of way, I own just under an acre.

It can't be any type of paving, as suggested above and it has to be installed by a licensed driveway installer. Ridiculous treatment by the city for the many homeowners in OKC with existing gravel driveways.

10250.8. Residential Parking Design and Regulation.

A.

Single-family, two-family, three-family and four-family residential structures located on one lot may use a paved driveway to fulfill the minimum parking requirements of this article. The space for each automobile on the paved area shall be a minimum of eight and one-half feet in width and 18 feet in length, and shall not be located within five feet of the street pavement. The residential driveway shall conform to the driveway design requirements as specified in this section.

B.

On lots less than one acre in size in the R-1, R-1ZL, R-2, R-3 and R-MH-1 Districts, and portions of PUD Districts with single-family, two-family, three-family or four-family residential uses, and on lots less than one acre in size with single-family, two-family, three-family or four-family residential uses located in non-residential zoning districts, vehicles shall be parked in the following manner:

(1)

Vehicles shall be parked on a permanently hard-surfaced (paved) driveway or parking area, meeting the design requirements specified in this section. A minimum of 25 percent of the lot shall be maintained as open space with no buildings or parking.

(2)

For residences with no access to the side or rear of their homes, vehicles may be parked on a gravel pad added to enlarge an existing single-lane paved driveway. The combined width of the gravel pad and the paved driveway shall be no more than 20 feet. The gravel shall be at least two inches in depth, and shall have a border of wood, brick, stone, concrete or similar material to keep the gravel in place. In addition, the gravel driveway shall be perpendicular to the street right-of-way, or parallel to the existing paved driveway; provided, that such enlargement made from and after the effective date of this ordinance shall meet the design requirements specified in this section.

(3)

However, any driveway that, as of October 1, 1988, did not meet the design requirements as specified in this section shall be deemed to be legally nonconforming for the purposes of this section. Vehicles may be parked on legally nonconforming driveways. The width of such driveways shall be determined by the width of the driveway throat at the property line, to a maximum of 12 feet. The legally nonconforming driveway shall be rectangular in shape and perpendicular to the property line.

(4)

This section addresses the proper parking of vehicles to protect neighborhood quality. It does not provide for the use of gravel driveways for new construction. For new construction, the standards as specified in this section shall be followed.

(5)

The requirements contained in this section do not supersede those contained in the special regulations in the Urban Conservation Districts.

[mkjeeves]

Related story from a couple of days ago: http://www.koco.com/article/metro-fa...ation/13440844

[jn1780]

So how is driveway defined? Sounds like you could have your whole yard gravel and it would be fine as long as you don't park on it.

[Pete]

So how is driveway defined? Sounds like you could have your whole yard gravel and it would be fine as long as you don't park on it.

I believe that's true.

And in desert climates you do see this.

[mkjeeves]

The best I can tell there's nothing saying you can't drive on that all gravel yard, you just can't park on it.

[Zuplar]

Ah well I have 1.01 acre, so I guess I don't have to worry about my gravel pad out back.

[Urbanized]

It will be interesting to see how building code and these types of ordinances handles permeable driveways when they inevitably become more popular due to their superior ecological properties and general attractiveness, and especially as usage of electric cars increases. Already Tesla is using them at their charging stations.

https://www.houzz.com/ideabooks/2206...eener-driveway

[rezman]

I would think permiable concrete would be classified as hard surface paving. It is very strrong, and once its down, its down. It is not loose like gravel and superior to pavers.

[jompster]

(2)

For residences with no access to the side or rear of their homes, vehicles may be parked on a gravel pad added to enlarge an existing single-lane paved driveway. The combined width of the gravel pad and the paved driveway shall be no more than 20 feet. The gravel shall be at least two inches in depth, and shall have a border of wood, brick, stone, concrete or similar material to keep the gravel in place. In addition, the gravel driveway shall be perpendicular to the street right-of-way, or parallel to the existing paved driveway; provided, that such enlargement made from and after the effective date of this ordinance shall meet the design requirements specified in this section.

Ahh, so this is why they said my neighbor's was legal. His gravel met all of the requirements in B2. I knew I wasn't crazy.

[Urbanized]

I would think permiable concrete would be classified as hard surface paving. It is very strrong, and once its down, its down. It is not loose like gravel and superior to pavers.

Check out the link I posted. There is a broad range of what constitutes permeable, including compacted gravel (often corralled by open-cell blocks or framework) and grass/vegetation growing from open-cell blocks and other structure.

[rezman]

^ Yes, I checked out your link. There are some cool options. I should have been more specific and narrowed it down. I was referring to poured permeable concrete. Also called porous concrete, .... but then all concrete is porous. This is poured and troweled just like regular concrete, and can be tinted to just about what ever color you want. Very cool stuff.

[Urbanized]

Gotcha

[mkjeeves]

I understand the code section I cited upthread has been changed. I copied that section from the municode online, which is not current. I can't find a document online where this was actually approved by the council but did find a link to the document on the council agenda.

The changed section:

(3) However, any driveway that, as of January 1, 2017 did not meet
the design requirements as specified in this section shall be deemed to be legally
nonconforming for the purposes of this section. Vehicles may be parked on legally
nonconforming driveways. The width of such driveways shall be a maximum of 12 feet. The
legally nonconforming driveway shall be rectangular in shape and perpendicular to
the property line.
(a) The maximum width of the nonconforming driveway may be up to 20 feet if
the paved width of the street the property fronts upon is less than 26 feet, or if
on-street parking is not permitted.

They changed the effective date, struck a sentence about the driveway width being measured at the property line and added the last sentence.

Somewhere there must be more...the cost to apply for a variance on a driveway was changed from the standard $1200 to $100 but I don't find information online about that.

I did also find where Shadid introduced a measure to limit the city to writing one ticket per site per day under this ordinance. That measure seems to have been tabled indefinitely. In talking to other citizens who were ticketed under this ordinance I learned the city has written tickets on multiple vehicles in the same driveway at the same time. It's a parking violation, so the ticket is written against the vehicle/driver, not against the property/property owner.