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  1. #2001

    Default Re: Oklahoma liquor laws

    The wholesale aspect was discussed frequently before the vote and was one of the positives often mentioned.

  2. #2002

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    Quote Originally Posted by onthestrip View Post
    In general we did. But the liquor modernization had a lot of moving pieces, some of the seemingly small and obscure but ones that ultimately catered to the big wholesalers giving them more of a monopoly.
    Literally everyone involved in the business said hey here’s exactly what’s going to happen. They’ll go 3 tier and it’s going to put a lot of local businesses out to pasture. I remember specifically saying Oklahoma’s system had an accidental stroke of brilliance in keeping a lot of the sales local throughout the supply chain.

    Oh well. At least you guys can buy your $4 bottle of chemicals they call wine at wal mart.

  3. #2003

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    Quote Originally Posted by okcpulse View Post
    I disagree wholeheartedly with SB 608. It was discussed many times in the news that the wholesale system will change to a franchise-based system before the 2016 election that passed SQ 792. It was also discussed at great length in many FAQ releases before the new laws went into effect in 2018, and nearly two full years were given so that the industry can prepare for these changes. Not sure why it is now all of the sudden a surprise.

    People are quick to forget that the old wholesale system where manufacturers were required to sell to ALL wholesalers without franchise agreements that include quality controls is exactly why the big three domestic breweries pulled their products out of Oklahoma in 1976. In fact, the requirement to sell to all wholesale distributors and on a same price basis is not competition at all. It began with a lawsuit from a distributor in Ardmore against Adolph Coors who declined the distributors order because they already had a distributor in the same territory. The judge ruled that Coors was required to sell to the plaintiff based on Oklahoma's distribution laws. Instead, Coors opted to pull their products out of Oklahoma. Anheuser-Busch and Miller did the same shortly after since each company had quality controls that Oklahoma wholesalers were not required to follow.

    Almost EVERY state in the country allows wholesale distributors to franchise with manufacturers, and don't experience issues with monopolies or duopolies or whatever *opolies that were complained about when SB 608 was debated on the floor. Texas distributors franchise... don't see them having any problems. Kansas distributors franchise... heck every neighboring state does it. So why is it Oklahoma is having such a difficult time adjusting? First, some distributors simply don't like the changes... they liked the old system the way it was because there was no need for competition. Second, yes... I agree... two distributors control 80% of the market... for now. Others will gain market share as time goes on. New wholesale distributors have opened in Oklahoma since 2018 and they aren't complaining about loss of sales.
    Thats quite a dissertation you wrote, so instead of responding to all of it, I’ve got just a couple of questions...

    The public very much wanted wine and strong beer in grocery stores and that’s what the vote was about. It was the perfect opportunity to sneak the distribution part through without the public noticing...

    Show me where the public was aware that they were voting on two national company’s splitting up all major spirit and wine brands and giving them monopolies over those brands... It’s ridiculous to think it would have ever passed based on its own merits... what have the effects on spirits to the consumer been?

    How is giving a monopoly on popular liquor brands good for anyone but the one with the monopoly? What’s happened to spirit prices and availability since the new laws went in to effect...

    You’re obviously very knowledgeable on the subject so explain to everyone how the new laws benefited them and were good for consumers and liquor stores in any way...

    I look forward to ripping your answers to shreads so give it your best shot...

  4. #2004

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    Seems they both ponied up $$$ to Stephanie Bice (who's now trying to go to D.C.). You think those donations might have been made to get that favorable language in the bill? Why else would they be giving her money?

    Then both wholesalers went out and sold huge stakes in their businesses to two of the largest distributors in the US.

    Shouldn't be too difficult to see what happened here.... it's called a ruse.

  5. #2005

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    Tomorrow I can finally go into the liquor store with the kid, it'll be nice to not have to take him home and wait for the wife to get home before I can go.

  6. #2006

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mballard85 View Post
    Tomorrow I can finally go into the liquor store with the kid, it'll be nice to not have to take him home and wait for the wife to get home before I can go.
    This was one of those no brainer changes. I know back when we had a shop and the retail association was just getting going, accompanied minors and holiday sales were two of the main talking points we cared about (that and in store tastings - although not as important).

  7. #2007

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    Sorry if I missed it but does OKC or OK county have Sunday liquor sales?

    Tulsa will be voting on it in March(too lazy to look up the article rn but itís from Tulsa world).

  8. #2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    Sorry if I missed it but does OKC or OK county have Sunday liquor sales?

    Tulsa will be voting on it in March(too lazy to look up the article rn but itís from Tulsa world).
    Not yet and it hasnít been set for a vote... Cleveland county either

  9. #2009

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    ^^^ Thank you for the update. Just a coupe days ago I was complaining about CA laws! I was told by the liquor store owner next year a limited trial will be had to let stores sell liquor until 4am and possible 24 hour sales after a 4-5 year run. Not sure how true that is and I havenít looked into it. One thing I love about Nevada is 24 hour liquor sales. Speaking about backwards liquor laws I didnít realize how restrictive Colorado is.

    I hope Oklahoma goes 24 hours and hard liquor anywhere similar to Nevada. Wonder when that happens LOL

  10. #2010

    Default Re: Oklahoma liquor laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    ^^^ Thank you for the update. Just a coupe days ago I was complaining about CA laws! I was told by the liquor store owner next year a limited trial will be had to let stores sell liquor until 4am and possible 24 hour sales after a 4-5 year run. Not sure how true that is and I havenít looked into it. One thing I love about Nevada is 24 hour liquor sales. Speaking about backwards liquor laws I didnít realize how restrictive Colorado is.

    I hope Oklahoma goes 24 hours and hard liquor anywhere similar to Nevada. Wonder when that happens LOL
    Honestly, liquor store owners and their employees would rather not have to work on Sundays as long as no one else is open and they can get away with it but the way the new laws are written, itís county option and just a matter of time for most counties...

    As far as 24 hrs? I would agree with you in most cases but In reality, alcohol is a very strong drug and the demons tend to come out at night...

    Chances of something bad happening selling to someone in the wee hours of the morning are a lot different in Oklahoma City than they are in Las Vegas

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