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    A long read, but extremely thought provoking and worth the time. I hope you will enjoy it.


    The Works of ROBERT G. INGERSOLL

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    WHY I AM AN AGNOSTIC.

    1896
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    I

    For the most part we inherit our opinions. We are the heirs of
    habits and mental customs. Our beliefs, like the fashion of our
    garments, depend on where we were born. We are molded and fashioned
    by our surroundings.

    Environment is a sculptor -- a painter.

    If we had been born in Constantinople, the most of us would
    have said: "There is no God but Allah, and Mohammed is his
    prophet." If our parents had lived on the banks of the Ganges, we
    would have been worshipers of Siva, longing for the heaven of
    Nirvana.

    As a rule, children love their parents, believe what they
    teach, and take great pride in saying that the religion of mother
    is good enough for them.

    Most people love peace. They do not like to differ with their
    neighbors. They like company. They are social. They enjoy traveling
    on the highway with the multitude. They hate to walk alone.

    The Scotch are Calvinists because their fathers were. The
    Irish are Catholics because their fathers were. The English are
    Episcopalians because their fathers were, and the Americans are
    divided in a hundred sects because their fathers were. This is the
    general rule, to which there are many exceptions. Children
    sometimes are superior to their parents, modify their ideas, change
    their customs, and arrive at different conclusions. But this is
    generally so gradual that the departure is scarcely noticed, and
    those who change usually insist that they are still following the
    fathers.

    It is claimed by Christian historians that the religion of a
    nation was sometimes suddenly changed, and that millions of Pagans
    were made into Christians by the command of a king. Philosophers do
    not agree with these historians. Names have been changed, altars
    have been overthrown, but opinions, customs and beliefs remained
    the same. A Pagan, beneath the drawn sword of a Christian, would
    probably change his religious views, and a Christian, with a

    scimitar above his head, might suddenly become a Mohammedan, but as
    a matter of fact both would remain exactly as they were before --
    except in speech.

    Belief is not subject to the will. Men think as they must.
    Children do not, and cannot, believe exactly as they were taught.
    They are not exactly like their parents. They differ in
    temperament, in experience, in capacity, in surroundings. And so
    there is a continual, though almost imperceptible change. There is
    development, conscious and unconscious growth, and by comparing
    long periods of time we find that the old has been almost
    abandoned, almost lost in the new. Men cannot remain stationary.
    The mind cannot be securely anchored. If we do not advance, we go
    backward. If we do not grow, we decay. If we do not develop, we
    shrink and shrivel.

    Like the most of you, I was raised among people who knew --
    who were certain. They did not reason or investigate. They had no
    doubts. They knew that they had the truth. In their creed there was
    no guess -- no perhaps. They had a revelation from God. They knew
    the beginning of things. They knew that God commenced to create one
    Monday morning, four thousand and four years before Christ. They
    knew that in the eternity -- back of that morning, he had done
    nothing. They knew that it took him six days to make the earth --
    all plants, all animals, all life, and all the globes that wheel in
    space. They knew exactly what he did each day and when he rested.
    They knew the origin, the cause of evil, of all crime, of all
    disease and death.

    They not only knew the beginning, but they knew the end. They
    knew that life had one path and one road. They knew that the path,
    grass-grown and narrow, filled with thorns and nettles, infested
    with vipers, wet with tears, stained by bleeding feet, led to
    heaven, and that the road, broad and smooth, bordered with fruits
    and flowers, filled with laughter and song and all the happiness of
    human love, led straight to hell. They knew that God was doing his
    best to make you take the path and that the Devil used every art to
    keep you in the road.

    They knew that there was a perpetual battle waged between the
    great Powers of good and evil for the possession of human souls.
    They knew that many centuries ago God had left his throne and had
    been born a babe into this poor world -- that he had suffered death
    for the sake of man -- for the sake of saving a few. They also knew
    that the human heart was utterly depraved, so that man by nature
    was in love with wrong and hated God with all his might.

    At the same time they knew that God created man in his own
    image and was perfectly satisfied with his work. They also knew
    that he had been thwarted by the Devil, who with wiles and lies had
    deceived the first of human kind. They knew that in consequence of
    that, God cursed the man and woman; the man with toil, the woman
    with slavery and pain, and both with death; and that he cursed the
    earth itself with briers and thorns, brambles and thistles. All
    these blessed things they knew. They knew too all that God had done
    to purify and elevate the race. They knew all about the Flood --
    knew that God, with the exception of eight, drowned all his
    children -- the old and young -- the bowed patriarch and the
    dimpled babe -- the young man and the merry maiden -- the loving
    mother and the laughing child -- because his mercy endureth
    forever. They knew too, that he drowned the beasts and birds --
    everything that walked or crawled or flew -- because his loving
    kindness is over all his works. They knew that God, for the purpose
    of civilizing his children, had devoured some with earthquakes,
    destroyed some with storms of fire, killed some with his
    lightnings, millions with famine, with pestilence, and sacrificed
    countless thousands upon the fields of war. They knew that it was
    necessary to believe these things and to love God. They knew that
    there could be no salvation except by faith, and through the
    atoning blood of Jesus Christ.

    All who doubted or denied would be lost. To live a moral and
    honest life -- to keep your contracts, to take care of wife and
    child -- to make a happy home -- to be a good citizen, a patriot,
    a just and thoughtful man, was simply a respectable way of going to
    hell.

    God did not reward men for being honest, generous and brave,
    but for the act of faith. Without faith, all the so-called virtues
    were sins. and the men who practiced these virtues, without faith,
    deserved to suffer eternal pain.

    All of these comforting and reasonable things were taught by
    the ministers in their pulpits -- by teachers in Sunday schools and
    by parents at home. The children were victims. They were assaulted
    in the cradle -- in their mother's arms. Then, the schoolmaster
    carried on the war against their natural sense, and all the books
    they read were filled with the same impossible truths. The poor
    children were helpless. The atmosphere they breathed was filled
    with lies -- lies that mingled with their blood.

    In those days ministers depended on revivals to save souls and
    reform the world.

    In the winter, navigation having closed, business was mostly
    suspended. There were no railways and the only means of
    communication were wagons and boats. Generally the roads were so
    bad that the wagons were laid up with the boats. There were no
    operas, no theaters, no amusement except parties and balls. The
    parties were regarded as worldly and the balls as wicked. For real
    and virtuous enjoyment the good people depended on revivals.

    The sermons were mostly about the pains and agonies of hell,
    the joys and ecstasies of heaven, salvation by faith, and the
    efficacy of the atonement. The little churches, in which the
    services were held, were generally small, badly ventilated, and
    exceedingly warm. The emotional sermons, the sad singing, the
    hysterical amens, the hope of heaven, the fear of hell, caused many
    to lose the little sense they had. They became substantially
    insane. In this condition they flocked to the "mourner's bench" --
    asked for the prayers of the faithful -- had strange feelings,
    prayed and wept and thought they had been "born again." Then they
    would tell their experience -- how wicked they had been -- how evil
    had been their thoughts, their desires, and how good they had
    suddenly become.

    They used to tell the story of an old woman who, in telling
    her experience, said: -- "Before I was converted, before I gave my
    heart to God, I used to lie and steal, but now, thanks to the grace
    and blood of Jesus Christ, I have quit 'em both, in a great
    measure."

    Of course all the people were not exactly of one mind. There
    were some scoffers, and now and then some man had sense enough to
    laugh at the threats of priests and make a jest of hell. Some would
    tell of unbelievers who had lived and died in peace.

    When I was a boy I heard them tell of an old farmer in
    Vermont. He was dying. The minister was at his bed-side -- asked
    him if he was a Christian -- if he was prepared to die. The old man
    answered that he had made no preparation, that he was not a
    Christian -- that he had never done anything but work. The preacher
    said that he could give him no hope unless he had faith in Christ,
    and that if he had no faith his soul would certainly be lost.

    The old man was not frightened. He was perfectly calm. In a
    weak and broken voice he said: "Mr. Preacher, I suppose you noticed
    my farm. My wife and I came here more than fifty years ago. We were
    just married. It was a forest then and the land was covered with
    stones. I cut down the trees, burned the logs, picked up the stones
    and laid the walls. My wife spun and wove and worked every moment.
    We raised and educated our children -- denied ourselves. During all
    these years my wife never had a good dress, or a decent bonnet. I
    never had a good suit of clothes. We lived on the plainest food.
    Our hands, our bodies are deformed by toil. We never had a
    vacation. We loved each other and the children. That is the only
    luxury we ever had. Now I am about to die and you ask me if I am
    prepared. Mr. Preacher, I have no fear of the future, no terror of
    any other world. There may be such a place as hell -- but if there
    is, you never can make me believe that it's any worse than old
    Vermont."

    So, they told of a man who compared himself with his dog. "My
    dog," he said, "just barks and plays -- has all he wants to eat. He
    never works -- has no trouble about business. In a little while he
    dies, and that is all. I work with all my strength. I have no time
    to play. I have trouble every day. In a little while I will die,
    and then I go to hell. I wish that I had been a dog."

    Well, while the cold weather lasted, while the snows fell, the
    revival went on, but when the winter was over, when the steamboat's
    whistle was heard, when business started again, most of the
    converts "backslid" and fell again into their old ways. But the
    next winter they were on hand, ready to be "born again." They
    formed a kind of stock company, playing the same parts every winter
    and backsliding every spring.

    The ministers, who preached at these revivals, were in
    earnest. They were zealous and sincere. They were not philosophers.
    To them science was the name of a vague dread -- a dangerous enemy.
    They did not know much, but they believed a great deal. To them
    hell was a burning reality -- they could see the smoke and flames.
    The Devil was no myth. He was an actual person. a rival of God, an
    enemy of mankind. They thought that the important business of this
    life was to save your soul -- that all should resist and scorn the
    pleasures of sense, and keep their eyes steadily fixed on the
    golden gate of the New Jerusalem. They were unbalanced, emotional,
    hysterical, bigoted, hateful, loving, and insane. They really
    believed the Bible to be the actual word of God -- a book without
    mistake or contradiction. They called its cruelties, justice -- its
    absurdities, mysteries -- its miracles, facts, and the idiotic
    passages were regarded as profoundly spiritual. They dwelt on the
    pangs, the regrets, the infinite agonies of the lost, and showed
    how easily they could be avoided, and how cheaply heaven could be
    obtained. They told their hearers to believe, to have faith, to
    give their hearts to God, their sins to Christ, who would bear
    their burdens and make their souls as white as snow.

    All this the ministers really believed. They were absolutely
    certain. In their minds the Devil had tried in vain to sow the
    seeds of doubt.

    I heard hundreds of these evangelical sermons -- heard
    hundreds of the most fearful and vivid descriptions of the tortures
    inflicted in hell, of the horrible state of the lost. I supposed
    that what I heard was true and yet I did not believe it. I said:
    "It is," and then I thought: "It cannot be."

    These sermons made but faint impressions on my mind. I was not
    convinced.

    I had no desire to be "converted," did not want a "new heart"
    and had no wish to be "born again."

    But I heard one sermon that touched my heart, that left its
    mark, like a scar, on my brain.

    One Sunday I went with my brother to hear a Free Will Baptist
    preacher. He was a large man, dressed like a farmer, but he was an
    orator. He could paint a picture with words.

    He took for his text the parable of "the rich man and
    Lazarus." He described Dives, the rich man -- his manner of life,
    the excesses in which he indulged, his extravagance, his riotous
    nights, his purple and fine linen, his feasts, his wines, and his
    beautiful women.

    Then he described Lazarus, his poverty, his rags and
    wretchedness, his poor body eaten by disease, the crusts and crumbs
    he devoured, the dogs that pitied him. He pictured his lonely life,
    his friendless death.

    Then, changing his tone of pity to one of triumph -- leaping
    from tears to the heights of exultation -- from defeat to victory
    -- he described the glorious company of angels, who with white and
    outspread wings carried the soul of the despised pauper to Paradise
    -- to the bosom of Abraham.

    Then, changing his voice to one of scorn and loathing, he told
    of the rich man's death. He was in his palace, on his costly couch,


    the air heavy with perfume, the room filled with servants and
    physicians. His gold was worthless then. He could not buy another
    breath. He died, and in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in
    torment.

    Then, assuming a dramatic attitude, putting his right hand to
    his ear, he whispered, "Hark! I hear the rich man's voice. What
    does he say? Hark! 'Father Abraham! Father Abraham! I pray thee
    send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and
    cool my parched tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.'"

    "Oh, my hearers, he has been making that request for more than
    eighteen hundred years. And millions of ages hence that wail will
    cross the gulf that lies between the saved and lost and still will
    be heard the cry: 'Father Abraham! Father Abraham! I pray thee send
    Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger. in water and cool my
    parched tongue, for I am tormented in this flame.'"

    For the first time I understood the dogma of eternal pain --
    appreciated "the glad tidings of great joy." For the first time my
    imagination grasped the height and depth of the Christian horror.
    Then I said: "It is a lie, and I hate your religion. If it is true,
    I hate your God."

    From that day I have had no fear, no doubt. For me, on that
    day, the flames of hell were quenched. From that day I have
    passionately hated every orthodox creed. That Sermon did some good.

    II

    From my childhood I had heard read, and read the Bible myself.
    Morning and evening the sacred volume was opened and prayers were
    said. The Bible was my first history, the Jews were the first
    people, and the events narrated by Moses and the other inspired
    writers, and those predicted by prophets were the all important
    things. In other books were found the thoughts and dreams of men,
    but in the Bible were the sacred truths of God.

    Yet in spite of my surroundings, of my education, I had no
    love for God. He was so saving of mercy, so extravagant in murder,
    so anxious to kill, so ready to assassinate, that I hated him with
    all my heart. At his command, babes were butchered, women violated,
    and the white hair of trembling age stained with blood. This God
    visited the people with pestilence -- filled the houses and covered
    the streets with the dying and the dead -- saw babes starving on
    the empty breasts of pallid mothers, heard the sobs, saw the tears,
    the sunken cheeks, the sightless eyes, the new made graves, and
    remained as pitiless as the pestilence.

    This God withheld the rain -- caused the famine, saw the
    fierce eyes of hunger -- the wasted forms, the white lips, saw
    mothers eating babes, and remained ferocious as famine.

    It seems to me impossible for a civilized man to love or
    worship, or respect the God of the Old Testament. A really
    civilized man, a really civilized woman, must hold such a God in
    abhorrence and contempt.

    But in the old days the good people justified Jehovah in his
    treatment of the heathen. The wretches who were murdered were
    idolaters and therefore unfit to live.

    According to the Bible, God had never revealed himself to
    these people and he knew that without a revelation they could not
    know that he was the true God. Whose fault was it then that they
    were heathen?

    The Christians said that God had the right to destroy them
    because he created them. What did he create them for? He knew when
    he made them that they would be food for the sword. He knew that he
    would have the pleasure of seeing them murdered.

    As a last answer, as a final excuse, the worshipers of Jehovah
    said that all these horrible things happened under the "old
    dispensation" of unyielding law, and absolute justice, but that now
    under the "new dispensation," all had been changed -- the sword of
    justice had been sheathed and love enthroned. In the Old Testament,
    they said. God is the judge -- but in the New, Christ is the
    merciful. As a matter of fact, the New Testament is infinitely
    worse than the Old. In the Old there is no threat of eternal pain.
    Jehovah had no eternal prison -- no everlasting fire. His hatred
    ended at the grave. His revenge was satisfied when his enemy was
    dead.

    In the New Testament, death is not the end, but the beginning
    of punishment that has no end. In the New Testament the malice of
    God is infinite and the hunger of his revenge eternal.

    The orthodox God, when clothed in human flesh, told his
    disciples not to resist evil, to love their enemies, and when
    smitten on one cheek to turn the other, and yet we are told that
    this same God, with the same loving lips, uttered these heartless,
    these fiendish words; "Depart ye cursed into everlasting fire,
    prepared for the devil and his angels."

    These are the words of "eternal love."

    No human being has imagination enough to conceive of this
    infinite horror.

    All that the human race has suffered in war and want, in
    pestilence and famine, in fire and flood, -- all the pangs and
    pains of every disease and every death -- all this is as nothing
    compared with the agonies to be endured by one lost soul.

    This is the consolation of the Christian religion. This is the
    justice of God -- the mercy of Christ.

    This frightful dogma, this infinite lie, made me the
    implacable enemy of Christianity. The truth is that this belief in
    eternal pain has been the real persecutor. It founded the
    Inquisition, forged the chains, and furnished the ***ots. It has
    darkened the lives of many millions. It made the cradle as terrible
    as the coffin. It enslaved nations and shed the blood of countless

    thousands. It sacrificed the wisest, the bravest and the best. It
    subverted the idea of justice, drove mercy from the heart, changed
    men to fiends and banished reason from the brain.

    Like a venomous serpent it crawls and coils and hisses in
    every orthodox creed.

    It makes man an eternal victim and God an eternal fiend. It is
    the one infinite horror. Every church in which it is taught is a
    public curse. Every preacher who teaches it is an enemy of mankind.
    Below this Christian dogma, savagery cannot go. It is the infinite
    of malice, hatred, and revenge.

    Nothing could add to the horror of hell, except the presence
    of its creator, God.

    While I have life, as long as I draw breath, I shall deny with
    all my strength, and hate with every drop of my blood, this
    infinite lie.

    Nothing gives me greater joy than to know that this belief in
    eternal pain is growing weaker every day -- that thousands of
    ministers are ashamed of it. It gives me joy to know that
    Christians are becoming merciful, so merciful that the fires of
    hell are burning low -- flickering, choked with ashes, destined in
    a few years to die out forever.

    For centuries Christendom was a madhouse. Popes, cardinals,
    bishops, priests, monks and heretics were all insane.

    Only a few -- four or five in a century were sound in heart
    and brain. Only a few, in spite of the roar and din, in spite of
    the savage cries, heard reason's voice. Only a few in the wild rage
    of ignorance, fear and zeal preserved the perfect calm that wisdom
    gives.

    We have advanced. In a few years the Christians will become --
    let us hope -- humane and sensible enough to deny the dogma that
    fills the endless years with pain. They ought to know now that this
    dogma is utterly inconsistent with the wisdom, the justice, the
    goodness of their God. They ought to know that their belief in
    hell, gives to the Holy Ghost -- the Dove -- the beak of a vulture,
    and fills the mouth of the Lamb of God with the fangs of a viper.

    III

    In my youth I read religious books -- books about God, about
    the atonement -- about salvation by faith, and about the other
    worlds. I became familiar with the commentators -- with Adam Clark,
    who thought that the serpent seduced our mother Eve, and was in
    fact the father of Cain. He also believed that the animals, while
    in the ark, had their natures' changed to that degree that they
    devoured straw together and enjoyed each other's society -- thus
    prefiguring the blessed millennium. I read Scott, who was such a
    natural theologian that he really thought the story of Phaeton --
    of the wild steeds dashing across the sky -- corroborated the story
    of Joshua having stopped the sun and moon. So, I read Henry and
    MacKnight and found that God so loved the world that he made up his
    mind to damn a large majority of the human race. I read Cruden, who
    made the great Concordance, and made the miracles as small and
    probable as he could.

    I remember that he explained the miracle of feeding the
    wandering Jews with quails, by saying that even at this day immense
    numbers of quails crossed the Red Sea, and that sometimes when
    tired, they settled on ships that sank beneath their weight. The
    fact that the explanation was as hard to believe as the miracle
    made no difference to the devout Cruden.

    To while away the time I read Calvin's Institutes, a book
    calculated to produce, in any natural mind, considerable respect
    for the Devil.

    I read Paley's Evidences and found that the evidence of
    ingenuity in producing the evil, in contriving the hurtful, was at
    least equal to the evidence tending to show the use of intelligence
    in the creation of what we call good.

    You know the watch argument was Paley's greatest effort. A man
    finds a watch and it is so wonderful that he concludes that it must
    have had a maker. He finds the maker and he is so much more
    wonderful than the watch that he says he must have had a maker.
    Then he finds God, the maker of the man, and he is so much more
    wonderful than the man that he could not have had a maker. This is
    what the lawyers call a departure in pleading.

    According to Paley there can be no design without a designer
    -- but there can be a designer without a design. The wonder of the
    watch suggested the watchmaker, and the wonder of the watchmaker,
    suggested the creator, and the wonder of the creator demonstrated
    that he was not created -- but was uncaused and eternal.

    We had Edwards on The Will, in which the reverend author shows
    that necessity has no effect on accountability -- and that when God
    creates a human being, and at the same time determines and decrees
    exactly what that being shall do and be, the human being is
    responsible, and God in his justice and mercy has the right to
    torture the soul of that human being forever. Yet Edwards said that
    he loved God.

    The fact is that if you believe in an infinite God, and also
    in eternal punishment, then you must admit that Edwards and Calvin
    were absolutely right. There is no escape from their conclusions if
    you admit their premises. They were infinitely cruel, their
    premises infinitely absurd, their God infinitely fiendish, and
    their logic perfect.

    And yet I have kindness and candor enough to say that Calvin
    and Edwards were both insane.

    We had plenty of theological literature. There was Jenkyn on
    the Atonement, who demonstrated the wisdom of God in devising a way
    in which the sufferings of innocence could justify the guilty. He
    tried to show that children could justly be punished for the sins
    of their ancestors, and that men could, if they had faith, be
    justly credited with the virtues of others. Nothing could be more
    devout, orthodox, and idiotic. But all of our theology was not in
    prose. We had Milton with his celestial militia with his great and
    blundering God, his proud and cunning Devil -- his wars between
    immortals, and all the sublime absurdities that religion wrought
    within the blind man's brain.

    The theology taught by Milton was dear to the Puritan heart.
    It was accepted by New England and it poisoned the souls and ruined
    the lives of thousands. The genius of Shakespeare could not make
    the theology of Milton poetic. In the literature of the world there
    is nothing, outside of the "sacred books," more perfectly absurd.

    We had Young's Night Thoughts, and I supposed that the author
    was an exceedingly devout and loving follower of the Lord. Yet
    Young had a great desire to be a bishop, and to accomplish that end
    he electioneered with the king's mistress. In other words, he was
    a fine old hypocrite. In the "Night Thoughts" there is scarcely a
    genuinely honest, natural line. It is pretence from beginning to
    end. He did not write what he felt, but what he thought he ought to
    feel.

    We had Pollok's Course of Time, with its worm that never dies,
    its quenchless flames, its endless pangs, its leering devils, and
    its gloating God. This frightful poem should have been written in
    a madhouse. In it you find all the cries and groans and shrieks of
    maniacs, when they tear and rend each other's flesh. It is as
    heartless, as hideous, as hellish as the thirty-second chapter of
    Deuteronomy.

    We all know the beautiful hymn commencing with the cheerful
    line: "Hark from the tombs, a doleful sound." Nothing could have
    been more appropriate for children. It is well to put a coffin
    where it can be seen from the cradle. When a mother nurses her
    child, an open grave should be at her feet. This would tend to make
    the babe serious, reflective, religious and miserable.

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    God hates laughter and despises mirth. To feel free,
    untrammeled, irresponsible, joyous, -- to forget care and death --
    to be flooded with sunshine without a fear of night -- to forget
    the past, to have no thought of the future, no dream of God, or
    heaven, or hell -- to be intoxicated with the present -- to be
    conscious only of the clasp and kiss of the one you love -- this is
    the sin against the Holy Ghost.

    But we had Cowper's poems. Cowper was sincere. He was the
    opposite of Young. He had an observing eye, a gentle heart and a
    sense of the artistic. He sympathized with all who suffered -- with
    the imprisoned, the enslaved, the outcasts. He loved the beautiful.
    No wonder that the belief in eternal punishment made this loving
    soul insane. No wonder that the "tidings of great Joy" quenched
    Hope's great star and left his broken heart in the darkness of
    despair.

    We had many volumes of orthodox sermons, filled with wrath and
    the terrors of the judgment to come -- sermons that had been
    delivered by savage saints.

    We had the Book of Martyrs, showing that Christians had for
    many centuries imitated the God they worshiped.

    We had the history of the Waldenses -- of the reformation of
    the Church. We had Pilgrim's Progress, Baxter's Call and Butler's
    Analogy.

    To use a Western phrase or saying, I found that Bishop Butler
    dug up more snakes than he killed -- suggested more difficulties
    than he explained -- more doubts than he dispelled.

    Among such books my youth was passed. All the seeds of
    Christianity -- of superstition, were sown in my mind and
    cultivated with great diligence and care.

    All that time I knew nothing of any science -- nothing about
    the other side -- nothing of the objections that had been urged
    against the blessed Scriptures, or against the perfect
    Congregational creed. Of course I had heard the ministers speak of
    blasphemers, of infidel wretches, of scoffers who laughed at holy
    things. They did not answer their arguments, but they tore their
    characters into shreds and demonstrated by the fury of assertion
    that they had done the Devil's work. And yet in spite of all I
    heard -- of all I read. I could not quite believe. My brain and
    heart said No.

    For a time I left the dreams, the insanities, the illusions
    and delusions, the nightmares of theology. I studied astronomy,
    just a little -- I examined maps of the heavens -- learned the
    names of some of the constellations -- of some of the stars --
    found something of their size and the velocity with which they
    wheeled in their orbits -- obtained a faint conception of
    astronomical spaces -- found that some of the known stars were so
    far away in the depths of space that their light, traveling at the
    rate of nearly two hundred thousand miles a second, required many
    years to reach this little world -- found that, compared with the
    great stars, our earth was but a grain of sand -- an atom -- found
    that the old belief that all the hosts of heaven had been created
    for the benefit of man, was infinitely absurd.

    I compared what was really known about the stars with the
    account of creation as told in Genesis. I found that the writer of
    the inspired book had no knowledge of astronomy -- that he was as
    ignorant as a Choctaw chief -- as an Eskimo driver of dogs. Does
    any one imagine that the author of Genesis knew anything about the
    sun -- its size? that he was acquainted with Sirius, the North
    Star, with Capella, or that he knew anything of the clusters of
    stars so far away that their light, now visiting our eyes, has been
    traveling for two million years?

    If he had known these facts would he have said that Jehovah
    worked nearly six days to make this world, and only a part of the
    afternoon of the fourth day to make the sun and moon and all the
    stars?

    Yet millions of people insist that the writer of Genesis was
    inspired by the Creator of all worlds.

    Now, intelligent men, who are not frightened, whose brains
    have not been paralyzed by fear, know that the sacred story of
    creation was written by an ignorant savage. The story is
    inconsistent with all known facts, and every star shining in the
    heavens testifies that its author was an uninspired barbarian.

    I admit that this unknown writer was sincere, that he wrote
    what he believed to be true -- that he did the best he could. He
    did not claim to be inspired -- did not pretend that the story had
    been told to him by Jehovah. He simply stated the "facts" as he
    understood them.

    After I had learned a little about the stars I concluded that
    this writer, this "inspired" scribe, had been misled by myth and
    legend, and that he knew no more about creation than the average
    theologian of my day. In other words, that he knew absolutely
    nothing.

    And here, allow me to say that the ministers who are answering
    me are turning their guns in the wrong direction. These reverend
    gentlemen should attack the astronomers. They should malign and
    vilify Kepler, Copernicus, Newton, Herschel and Laplace. These men
    were the real destroyers of the sacred story. Then, after having
    disposed of them, they can wage a war against the stars, and
    against Jehovah himself for having furnished evidence against the
    truthfulness of his book.

    Then I studied geology -- not much, just a little -- Just
    enough to find in a general way the principal facts that had been
    discovered, and some of the conclusions that had been reached. I
    learned something of the action of fire -- of water -- of the
    formation of islands and continents -- of the sedimentary and
    igneous rocks -- of the coal measures -- of the chalk cliffs,
    something about coral reefs -- about the deposits made by rivers,
    the effect of volcanoes, of glaciers, and of the all surrounding
    sea -- just enough to know that the Laurentian rocks were millions
    of years older than the grass beneath my feet -- just enough to
    feel certain that this world had been pursuing its flight about the
    sun, wheeling in light and shade, for hundreds of millions of years
    -- just enough to know that the "inspired" writer knew nothing of
    the history of the earth -- nothing of the great forces of nature
    -- of wind and wave and fire -- forces that have destroyed and
    built, wrecked and wrought through all the countless years.

    And let me tell the ministers again that they should not waste
    their time in answering me. They should attack the geologists. They
    should deny the facts that have been discovered. They should launch
    their curses at the blaspheming seas, and dash their heads against
    the infidel rocks.

    Then I studied biology -- not much -- just enough to know
    something of animal forms, enough to know that life existed when
    the Laurentian rocks were made -- just enough to know that
    implements of stone, implements that had been formed by human
    hands, had been found mingled with the bones of extinct animals,
    bones that had been split with these implements, and that these
    animals had ceased to exist hundreds of thousands of years before
    the manufacture of Adam and Eve.

    Then I felt sure that the "inspired" record was false -- that
    many millions of people had been deceived and that all I had been
    taught about the origin of worlds and men was utterly untrue. I
    felt that I knew that the Old Testament was the work of ignorant
    men -- that it was a mingling of truth and mistake, of wisdom and
    foolishness, of cruelty and kindness, of philosophy and absurdity
    -- that it contained some elevated thoughts, some poetry, -- a good
    deal of the solemn and commonplace, -- some hysterical, some
    tender, some wicked prayers, some insane predictions, some
    delusions, and some chaotic dreams.

    Of course the theologians fought the facts found by the
    geologists, the scientists, and sought to sustain the sacred
    Scriptures. They mistook the bones of the mastodon for those of
    human beings, and by them proudly proved that "there were giants in
    those days." They accounted for the fossils by saying that God had
    made them to try our faith, or that the Devil had imitated the
    works of the Creator.

    They answered the geologists by saying that the "days" in
    Genesis were long periods of time, and that after all the flood
    might have been local. They told the astronomers that the sun and
    moon were not actually, but only apparently, stopped. And that the
    appearance was produced by the reflection and refraction of light.

    They excused the slavery and polygamy, the robbery and murder
    upheld in the Old Testament by saying that the people were so
    degraded that Jehovah was compelled to pander to their ignorance
    and prejudice.

    In every way the clergy sought to evade the facts, to dodge
    the truth, to preserve the creed.

    At first they flatly denied the facts -- then they belittled
    them -- then they harmonized them -- then they denied that they had
    denied them. Then they changed the meaning of the "inspired" book
    to fit the facts. At first they said that if the facts, as claimed,
    were true, the Bible was false and Christianity itself a
    superstition. Afterward they said the facts, as claimed, were true
    and that they established beyond all doubt the inspiration of the
    Bible and the divine origin of orthodox religion.

    Anything they could not dodge, they swallowed and anything
    they could not swallow, they dodged.

    I gave up the Old Testament on account of its mistakes, its
    absurdities, its ignorance and its cruelty. I gave up the New
    because it vouched for the truth of the Old. I gave it up on
    account of its miracles, its contradictions, because Christ and his
    disciples believe in the existence of devils -- talked and made
    bargains with them. expelled them from people and animals.

    This, of itself, is enough. We know, if we know anything, that
    devils do not exist -- that Christ never cast them out, and that if
    he pretended to, he was either ignorant, dishonest or insane.


    These stories about devils demonstrate the human, the ignorant
    origin of the New Testament. I gave up the New Testament because it
    rewards credulity, and curses brave and honest men, and because it
    teaches the infinite horror of eternal pain.

    V

    Having spent my youth in reading books about religion -- about
    the "new birth" -- the disobedience of our first parents, the
    atonement, salvation by faith, the wickedness of pleasure, the
    degrading consequences of love, and the impossibility of getting to
    heaven by being honest and generous, and having become somewhat
    weary of the frayed and raveled thoughts, you can imagine my
    surprise, my delight when I read the poems of Robert Burns.

    I was familiar with the writings of the devout and insincere,
    the pious and petrified, the pure and heartless. Here was a natural
    honest man. I knew the works of those who regarded all nature as
    depraved, and looked upon love as the legacy and perpetual witness
    of original sin. Here was a man who plucked joy from the mire, made
    goddesses of peasant girls, and enthroned the honest man. One whose
    sympathy, with loving arms, embraced all forms of suffering life,
    who hated slavery of every kind, who was as natural as heaven's
    blue, with humor kindly as an autumn day, with wit as sharp as
    Ithuriel's spear, and scorn that blasted like the simoon's breath.
    A man who loved this world, this life, the things of every day, and
    placed above all else the thrilling ecstasies of human love.

    I read and read again with rapture, tears and smiles, feeling
    that a great heart was throbbing in the lines.

    The religious, the lugubrious, the artificial, the spiritual
    poets were forgotten or remained only as the fragments, the half
    remembered horrors of monstrous and distorted dreams.

    I had found at last a natural man, one who despised his
    country's cruel creed, and was brave and sensible enough to say:
    "All religions are auld wives' fables, but an honest man has
    nothing to fear, either in this world or the world to come."

    One who had the genius to write Holy Willie's Prayer -- a poem
    that crucified Calvinism and through its bloodless heart thrust the
    spear of common sense -- a poem that made every orthodox creed the
    food of scorn -- of inextinguishable laughter.

    Burns had his faults, his frailties. He was intensely human.
    Still, I would rather appear at the "Judgment Seat" drunk, and be
    able to say that I was the author of "A man's a man for 'a that,"
    than to be perfectly sober and admit that I had lived and died a
    Scotch Presbyterian.

    I read Byron -- read his Cain, in which, as in Paradise Lost,
    the Devil seems to be the better god -- read his beautiful, sublime
    and bitter lines -- read his prisoner of Chillon -- his best -- a
    poem that filled my heart with tenderness, with pity, and with an
    eternal hatred of tyranny.



    I read Shelley's Queen Mab -- a poem filled with beauty,
    courage, thought, sympathy, tears and scorn, in which a brave soul
    tears down the prison walls and floods the cells with light. I read
    his Skylark -- a winged flame -- passionate as blood -- tender as
    tears -- pure as light.

    I read Keats, "whose name was writ in water" -- read St. Agnes
    Eve, a story told with such an artless art that this poor common
    world is changed to fairy land -- the Grecian Urn, that fills the
    soul with ever eager love, with all the rapture of imagined song --
    the Nightingale -- a melody in which there is the memory of morn --
    a melody that dies away in dusk and tears, paining the senses with
    its perfectness.

    And then I read Shakespeare, the plays, the sonnets, the poems
    -- read all. I beheld a new heaven and a new earth; Shakespeare,
    who knew the brain and heart of man -- the hopes and fears, the
    loves and hatreds, the vices and the virtues of the human race:
    whose imagination read the tear-blurred records, the blood-stained
    pages of all the past, and saw falling athwart the outspread scroll
    the light of hope and love; Shakespeare, who sounded every depth --
    while on the loftiest peak there fell the shadow of his wings.

    I compared the Plays with the "inspired" books -- Romeo and
    Juliet with the Song of Solomon, Lear with Job, and the Sonnets
    with the Psalms, and I found that Jehovah did not understand the
    art of speech. I compared Shakespeare's women -- his perfect women
    -- with the women of the Bible. I found that Jehovah was not a
    sculptor, not a painter -- not an artist -- that he lacked the
    power that changes clay to flesh -- the art, the plastic touch,
    that molds the perfect form -- the breath that gives it free and
    joyous life -- the genius that creates the faultless.

    The sacred books of all the world are worthless dross and
    common stones compared with Shakespeare's glittering gold and
    gleaming gems.
    VI

    Up to this time I had read nothing against our blessed
    religion except what I had found in Burns, Byron and Shelley. By
    some accident I read Volney, who shows that all religions are, and
    have been, established in the same way -- that all had their
    Christs, their apostles, miracles and sacred books, and then asked
    how it is possible to decide which is the true one. A question that
    is still waiting for an answer.

    I read Gibbon, the greatest of historians, who marshaled his
    facts as skillfully as Caesar did his legions, and I learned that
    Christianity is only a name for Paganism -- for the old religion,
    shorn of its beauty -- that some absurdities had been exchanged for
    others -- that some gods had been killed -- a vast multitude of
    devils created, and that hell had been enlarged.

    And then I read the Age of Reason, by Thomas Paine. Let me
    tell you something about this sublime and slandered man. He came to
    this country just before the Revolution. He brought a letter of
    introduction from Benjamin Franklin, at that time the greatest
    American.


    In Philadelphia, Paine was employed to write for the
    Pennsylvania Magazine. We know that he wrote at least five
    articles. The first was against slavery, the second against
    duelling, the third on the treatment of prisoners -- showing that
    the object should be to reform, not to punish and degrade -- the
    fourth on the rights of woman, and the fifth in favor of forming
    societies for the prevention of cruelty to children and animals.

    From this you see that he suggested the great reforms of our
    century.

    The truth is that he labored all his life for the good of his
    fellow-men, and did as much to found the Great Republic as any man
    who ever stood beneath our flag.

    He gave his thoughts about religion -- bout the blessed
    Scriptures, about the superstitions of his time. He was perfectly
    sincere and what he said was kind and fair.

    The Age of Reason filled with hatred the hearts of those who
    loved their enemies, and the occupant of every orthodox pulpit
    became, and still is, a passionate malinger of Thomas Paine.

    No one has answered -- no one will answer, his argument
    against the dogma of inspiration -- his objections to the Bible.

    He did not rise above all the superstitions of his day. While
    he hated Jehovah, he praised the God of Nature, the creator and
    preserver of all. In this he was wrong, because, as Watson said in
    his Reply to Paine, the God of Nature is as heartless, as cruel as
    the God of the Bible.

    But Paine was one of the pioneers -- one of the Titans, one of
    the heroes, who gladly gave his life, his every thought and act, to
    free and civilize mankind.

    I read Voltaire -- Voltaire, the greatest man of his century,
    and who did more for liberty of thought and speech than any other
    being, human or "divine." Voltaire, who tore the mask from
    hypocrisy and found behind the painted smile the fangs of hate.
    Voltaire, who attacked the savagery of the law, the cruel decisions
    of venal courts, and rescued victims from the wheel and rack.
    Voltaire, who waged war against the tyranny of thrones, the greed
    and heartlessness of power. Voltaire, who filled the flesh of
    priests with the barbed and poisoned arrows of his wit and made the
    pious jugglers, who cursed him in public, laugh at themselves in
    private. Voltaire, who sided with the oppressed, rescued the
    unfortunate, championed the obscure and weak, civilized judges,
    repealed laws and abolished torture in his native land.

    In every direction this tireless man fought the absurd, the
    miraculous, the supernatural, the idiotic, the unjust. He had no
    reverence for the ancient. He was not awed by pageantry and pomp,
    by crowned Crime or mitered Pretence. Beneath the crown he saw the
    criminal, under the miter, the hypocrite.


    To the bar of his conscience, his reason, he summoned the
    barbarism and the barbarians of his time. He pronounced judgment
    against them all, and that judgment has been affirmed by the
    intelligent world. Voltaire lighted a torch and gave to others the
    sacred flame. The light still shines and will as long as man loves
    liberty and seeks for truth.

    I read Zeno, the man who said, centuries before our Christ was
    born, that man could not own his fellow-man.

    "No matter whether you claim a slave by purchase or capture,
    the title is bad. They who claim to own their fellow-men, look down
    into the pit and forget the justice that should rule the world."

    I became acquainted with Epicurus, who taught the religion of
    usefulness, of temperance, of courage and wisdom, and who said:
    "Why should I fear death? If I am, death is not. If death is. I am
    not. Why should I fear that which cannot exist when I do?"

    I read about Socrates, who when on trial for his life, said,
    among other things, to his judges, these wondrous words: "I have
    not sought during my life to amass wealth and to adorn my body, but
    I have sought to adorn my soul with the jewels of wisdom, patience,
    and above all with a love of liberty."

    So, I read about Diogenes, the philosopher who hated the
    superfluous -- the enemy of waste and greed, and who one day
    entered the temple, reverently approached the altar, crushed a
    louse between the nails of his thumbs, and solemnly said: "The
    sacrifice of Diogenes to all the gods." This parodied the worship
    of the world -- satirized all creeds, and in one act put the
    essence of religion.

    Diogenes must have know of this "inspired" passage -- "Without
    the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins."

    I compared Zeno, Epicures and Socrates, three heathen wretches
    who had never heard of the Old Testament or the Ten Commandments,
    with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, three favorites of Jehovah, and I
    was depraved enough to think that the Pagans were superior to the
    Patriarchs -- and to Jehovah himself.

    VII

    My attention was turned to other religions, to the sacred
    books, the creeds and ceremonies of other lands -- of India, Egypt,
    Assyria, Persia, of the dead and dying nations.

    I concluded that all religions had the same foundation -- a
    belief in the supernatural -- a power above nature that man could
    influence by worship -- by sacrifice and prayer.

    I found that all religions rested on a mistaken conception of
    nature -- that the religion of a people was the science of that
    people, that is to say, their explanation of the world -- of life
    and death -- of origin and destiny.


    I concluded that all religions had substantially the same
    origin, and that in fact there has never been but one religion in
    the world. The twigs and leaves may differ, but the trunk is the
    same.

    The poor African that pours out his heart to deity of stone is
    on an exact religious level with the robed priest who supplicates
    his God. The same mistake, the same superstition, bends the knees
    and shuts the eyes of both. Both ask for supernatural aid, and
    neither has the slightest thought of the absolute uniformity of
    nature.

    It seems probable to me that the first organized ceremonial
    religion was the worship of the sun. The sun was the "Sky Father,"
    the "All Seeing," the source of life -- the fireside of the world.
    The sun was regarded as a god who fought the darkness, the power of
    evil, the enemy of man.

    There have been many sun-gods, and they seem to have been the
    chief deities in the ancient religions. They have been worshiped in
    many lands, by many nations that have passed to death and dust.

    Apollo was a sun-god and he fought and conquered the serpent
    of night. Baldur was a sun-god. He was in love with the Dawn -- a
    maiden. Chrishna was a sun-god. At his birth the Ganges was
    thrilled from its source to the sea, and all the trees, the dead as
    well as the living, burst into leaf and bud and flower. Hercules
    was a sun-god and so was Samson, whose strength was in his hair --
    that is to say, in his beams. He was shorn of his strength by
    Delilah, the shadow -- the darkness. Osiris, Bacchus, and Mithra,
    Hermes, Buddha, and Quetzalcoatl, Prometheus, Zoroaster, and
    Perseus, Cadom, Lao-tsze, Fo-hi, Horus and Rameses, were all sun-
    gods.

    All of these gods had gods for fathers and their mothers were
    virgins. The births of nearly all were announced by stars,
    celebrated by celestial music, and voices declared that a blessing
    had come to the poor world. All of these gods were born in humble
    places -- in caves, under trees, in common inns, and tyrants sought
    to kill them all when they were babes. All of these sun-gods were
    born at the winter solstice -- on Christmas. Nearly all were
    worshiped by "wise men." All of them fasted for forty days -- all
    of them taught in parables -- all of them wrought miracles -- all
    met with a violent death, and all rose from the dead.

    The history of these gods is the exact history of our Christ.

    This is not a coincidence -- an accident. Christ was a sun-
    god. Christ was a new name for an old biography -- a survival --
    the last of the sun-gods. Christ was not a man, but a myth -- not
    a life, but a legend.

    I found that we had not only borrowed our Christ -- but that
    all our sacraments, symbols and ceremonies were legacies that we
    received from the buried past. There is nothing original in
    Christianity.

    The cross was a symbol thousands of years before our era. It
    was a symbol of life, of immortality -- of the god Agni, and it was
    chiseled upon tombs many ages before a line of our Bible was
    written.

    Baptism is far older than Christianity -- than Judaism. The
    Hindus, Egyptians, Greeks and Romans had Holy Water long before a
    Catholic lived. The eucharist was borrowed from the Pagans. Ceres
    was the goddess of the fields -- Bacchus of the vine. At the
    harvest festival they made cakes of wheat and said: "This is the
    flesh of the goddess." They drank wine and cried: "This is the
    blood of our god."

    The Egyptians had a Trinity. They worshiped Osiris, Isis and
    Horus, thousands of years before the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost
    were known.

    The Tree of Life grew in India, in China, and among the
    Aztecs, long before the Garden of Eden was planted.

    Long before our Bible was known, other nations had their
    sacred books.

    The dogmas of the Fall of Man, the Atonement and Salvation by
    Faith, are far older than our religion.

    In our blessed gospel, -- in our "divine scheme," -- there is
    nothing new -- nothing original. All old -- all borrowed, pieced
    and patched.

    Then I concluded that all religions had been naturally
    produced, and that all were variation, modifications of one, --
    then I felt that I knew that all were the work of man.


    VIII

    THE theologians had always insisted that their God was the
    creator of all living things -- that the forms, parts, functions,
    colors and varieties of animals were the expressions of his fancy,
    taste and wisdom -- that he made them all precisely as they are
    to-day -- that he invented fins and legs and wings -- that he
    furnished them with the weapons of attack, the shields of defence
    -- that he formed them with reference to food and climate, taking
    into consideration all facts affecting life.

    They insisted that man was a special creation, not related in
    any way to the animals below him. They also asserted that all the
    forms of vegetation, from mosses to forests, were just the same
    to-day as the moment they were made.

    Men of genius, who were for the most part free from religious
    prejudice, were examining these things -- were looking for facts.
    They were examining the fossils of animals and plants -- studying
    the forms of animals -- their bones and muscles -- the effect of
    climate and food -- the strange modifications through which they
    had passed.

    Humboldt had published his lectures -- filled with great
    thoughts -- with splendid generalizations -- with suggestions that
    stimulated the spirit of investigation, and with conclusions that
    satisfied the mind. He demonstrated the uniformity of Nature -- the
    kinship of all that lives and grows -- that breathes and thinks.

    Darwin, with his Origin of Species, his theories about Natural
    Selection, the Survival of the Fittest, and the influence of
    environment, shed a flood of light upon the great problems of plant
    and animal life.

    These things had been guessed, prophesied, asserted, hinted by
    many others, but Darwin, with infinite patience, with perfect care
    and candor, found the facts, fulfilled the prophecies, and
    demonstrated the truth of the guesses, hints and assertions. He
    was, in my judgment, the keenest observer, the best judge of the
    meaning and value of a fact, the greatest Naturalist the world has
    produced.

    The theological view began to look small and mean.

    Spencer gave his theory of evolution and sustained it by
    countless facts. He stood at a great height, and with the eyes of
    a philosopher, a profound thinker, surveyed the world. He has
    influenced the thought of the wisest.

    Theology looked more absurd than ever.

    Huxley entered the lists for Darwin. No man ever had a sharper
    sword -- a better shield. He challenged the world. The great
    theologians and the small scientists -- those who had more courage
    than sense, accepted the challenge. Their poor bodies were carried
    away by their friends.

    Huxley had intelligence, industry, genius, and the courage to
    express his thought. He was absolutely loyal to what he thought was
    truth. Without prejudice and without fear, he followed the
    footsteps of life from the lowest to the highest forms.

    Theology looked smaller still.

    Haeckel began at the simplest cell, went from change to change
    -- from form to form -- followed the line of development, the path
    of life, until he reached the human race. It was all natural. There
    had been no interference from without.

    I read the works of these great men -- of many others -- and
    became convinced that they were right, and that all the theologians
    -- all the believers in "special creation" were absolutely wrong.

    The Garden of Eden faded away, Adam and Eve fell back to dust,
    the snake crawled into the grass, and Jehovah became a miserable
    myth.


    I took another step. What is matter -- substance? Can it be
    destroyed -- annihilated? Is it possible to conceive of the
    destruction of the smallest atom of substance? It can be ground to
    powder -- changed from a solid to a liquid -- from a liquid to a
    gas -- but it all remains. Nothing is lost -- nothing destroyed.

    Let an infinite God, if there be one, attack a grain of sand
    -- attack it with infinite power. It cannot be destroyed. It cannot
    surrender. It defies all force. Substance cannot be destroyed.

    Then I took another step.

    If matter cannot be destroyed, cannot be annihilated, it could
    not have been created.

    The indestructible must be uncreateable.

    And then I asked myself: What is force?

    We cannot conceive of the creation of force, or of its
    destruction. Force may be changed from one form to another -- from
    motion to heat -- but it cannot be destroyed -- annihilated.

    If force cannot be destroyed it could not have been created.
    It is eternal.

    Another thing -- matter cannot exist apart from force. Force
    cannot exist apart from matter. Matter could not have existed
    before force. Force could not have existed before matter. Matter
    and force can only be conceived of together. This has been shown by
    several scientists, but most clearly, most forcibly by Buchner.

    Thought is a form of force, consequently it could not have
    caused or created matter. Intelligence is a form of force and could
    not have existed without or apart from matter. Without substance
    there could have been no mind, no will, no force in any form, and
    there could have been no substance without force.

    Matter and force were not created. They have existed from
    eternity. They cannot be destroyed.

    There was, there is, no creator. Then came the question; Is
    there a God? Is there a being of infinite intelligence, power and
    goodness, who governs the world?

    There can he goodness without much intelligence -- but it
    seems to me that perfect intelligence and perfect goodness must go
    together.

    In nature I see, or seem to see, good and evil -- intelligence
    and ignorance -- goodness and cruelty -- care and carelessness --
    economy and waste. I see means that do not accomplish the ends --
    designs that seem to fail.

    To me it seems infinitely cruel for life to feed on life -- to
    create animals that devour others.


    The teeth and beaks, the claws and fangs, that tear and rend,
    fill me with horror. What can be more frightful than a world at
    war? Every leaf a battle-field -- every flower a Golgotha -- in
    every drop of water pursuit, capture and death. Under every piece
    of bark, life lying in wait for life. On every blade of grass,
    something that kills, -- something that suffers. Everywhere the
    strong living on the weak -- the superior on the inferior.
    Everywhere the weak, the insignificant, living on the strong -- the
    inferior on the superior -- the highest food for the lowest -- man
    sacrificed for the sake of microbes.

    Murder universal. Everywhere pain, disease and death -- death
    that does not wait for bent forms and gray hairs, but clutches
    babes and happy youths. Death that takes the mother from her
    helpless, dimpled child -- death that fills the world with grief
    and tears.

    How can the orthodox Christian explain these things?

    I know that life is good. I remember the sunshine and rain.
    Then I think of the earthquake and flood. I do not forget health
    and harvest, home and love -- but what of pestilence and famine? I
    cannot harmonize all these contradictions -- these blessings and
    agonies -- with the existence of an infinitely good, wise and
    powerful God.

    The theologian says that what we call evil is for our benefit
    -- that we are placed in this world of sin and sorrow to develop
    character. If this is true I ask why the infant dies? Millions and
    millions draw a few breaths and fade away in the arms of their
    mothers. They are not allowed to develop character.

    The theologian says that serpents were given fangs to protect
    themselves from their enemies. Why did the God who made them, make
    enemies? Why is it that many species of serpents have no fangs?

    The theologian says that God armored the hippopotamus, covered
    his body, except the under part, with scales and plates, that other
    animals could not pierce with tooth or tusk. But the same God made
    the rhinoceros and supplied him with a horn on his nose, with which
    he disembowels the hippopotamus.

    The same God made the eagle, the vulture, the hawk, and their
    helpless prey.

    On every hand there seems to be design to defeat design.

    If God created man -- if he is the father of us all, why did
    he make the criminals, the insane, the deformed and idiotic?

    Should the inferior man thank God? Should the mother, who
    clasps to her breast an idiot child, thank God? Should the slave
    thank God?

    The theologian says that God governs the wind, the rain, the
    lightning. How then can we account for the cyclone, the flood, the
    drought, the glittering bolt that kills?



    Suppose we had a man in this country who could control the
    wind, the rain and lightning, and suppose we elected him to govern
    these things, and suppose that he allowed whole States to dry and
    wither, and at the same time wasted the rain in the sea. Suppose
    that he allowed the winds to destroy cities and to crush to
    shapelessness thousands of men and women, and allowed the
    lightnings to strike the life out of mothers and babes. What would
    we say? What would we think of such a savage?

    And yet, according to the theologians, this is exactly the
    course pursued by God.

    What do we think of a man, who will not, when he has the
    power, protect his friends? Yet the Christian's God allowed his
    enemies to torture and burn his friends, his worshipers.

    Who has ingenuity enough to explain this?

    What good man, having the power to prevent it, would allow the
    innocent to be imprisoned, chained in dungeons, and sigh against
    the dripping walls their weary lives away?

    If God governs the world, why is innocence not a perfect
    shield? Why does injustice triumph?

    Who can answer these questions?

    In answer, the intelligent, honest man must say: I do not
    know.

    X

    This God must be, if he exists, a person -- a conscious being.
    Who can imagine an infinite personality? This God must have force,
    and we cannot conceive of force apart from matter. This God must be
    material. He must have the means by which he changes force to what
    we call thought. When he thinks he uses force, force that must be
    replaced. Yet we are told that he is infinitely wise. If he is, he
    does not think. Thought is a ladder -- a process by which we reach
    a conclusion. He who knows all conclusions cannot think. He cannot
    hope or fear. When knowledge is perfect there can be no passion, no
    emotion. If God is infinite he does not want. He has all. He who
    does not want does not act. The infinite must dwell in eternal
    calm.

    It is as impossible to conceive of such a being as to imagine
    a square triangle, or to think of a circle without a diameter.

    Yet we are told that it is our duty to love this God. Can we
    love the unknown, the inconceivable? Can it be our duty to love
    anybody? It is our duty to act justly, honestly, but it cannot be
    our duty to love. We cannot be under obligation to admire a
    painting -- to be charmed with a poem -- or thrilled with music.
    Admiration cannot be controlled. Taste and love are not the
    servants of the will. Love is, and must be free. It rises from the
    heart like perfume from a flower.




    For thousands of ages men and women have been trying to love
    the gods -- trying to soften their hearts -- trying to get their
    aid.

    I see them all. The panorama passes before me. I see them with
    outstretched hands -- with reverently closed eyes -- worshiping the
    sun. I see them bowing, in their fear and need, to meteoric stones
    -- imploring serpents, beasts and sacred trees -- praying to idols
    wrought of wood and stone. I see them building altars to the unseen
    powers, staining them with blood of child and beast. I see the
    countless priests and hear their solemn chants. I see the dying
    victims, the smoking altars, the swinging censers, and the rising
    clouds. I see the half-god men -- the mournful Christs, in many
    lands. I see the common things of life change to miracles as they
    speed from mouth to mouth. I see the insane prophets reading the
    secret book of fate by signs and dreams. I see them all -- the
    Assyrians chanting the praises of Asshur and Ishtar -- the Hindus
    worshiping Brahma, Vishnu and Draupadi, the whitearmed -- the
    Chaldeans sacrificing to Bel and Hea -- the Egyptians bowing to
    Ptah and Fta, Osiris and Isis -- the Medes placating the storm,
    worshiping the fire -- the Babylonians supplicating Bel and
    Murodach -- I see them all by the Euphrates, the Tigris, the Ganges
    and the Nile. I see the Greeks building temples for Zeus, Neptune
    and Venus. I see the Romans kneeling to a hundred gods. I see
    others spurning idols and pouring out their hopes and fears to a
    vague image in the mind. I see the multitudes, with open mouths,
    receive as truths the myths and fables of the vanished years. I see
    them give their toil, their wealth to robe the priests, to build
    the vaulted roofs, the spacious aisles, the glittering domes. I see
    them clad in rags, huddled in dens and huts, devouring crusts and
    scraps, that they may give the more to ghosts and gods. I see them
    make their cruel creeds and fill the world with hatred, war, and
    death. I see them with their faces in the dust in the dark days of
    plague and sudden death, when cheeks are wan and lips are white for
    lack of bread. I hear their prayers, their sighs, their sobs. I see
    them kiss the unconscious lips as their hot tears fall on the
    pallid faces of the dead. I see the nations as they fade and fail.
    I see them captured and enslaved. I see their altars mingle with
    the common earth, their temples crumble slowly back to dust. I see
    their gods grow old and weak, infirm and faint. I see them fall
    from vague and misty thrones, helpless and dead. The worshipers
    receive no help. Injustice triumphs. Toilers are paid with the
    lash, -- babes are sold, -- the innocent stand on scaffolds, and
    the heroic perish in flames. I see the earthquakes devour, the
    volcanoes overwhelm, the cyclones wreck, the floods destroy, and
    the lightnings kill.

    The nations perished. The gods died. The toil and wealth were
    lost. The temples were built in vain, and all the prayers died
    unanswered in the heedless air.

    Then I asked myself the question: Is there a supernatural
    power -- an arbitrary mind -- an enthroned God -- a supreme will
    that sways the tides and currents of the world -- to which all
    causes bow?

    I do not deny. I do not know -- but I do not believe. I
    believe that the natural is supreme -- that from the infinite chain
    no link can be lost or broken -- that there is no supernatural
    power that can answer prayer -- no power that worship can persuade
    or change -- no power that cares for man.

    I believe that with infinite arms Nature embraces the all --
    that there is no interference -- no chance -- that behind every
    event are the necessary and countless causes, and that beyond every
    event will be and must be the necessary and countless effects.

    Man must protect himself. He cannot depend upon the
    supernatural -- upon an imaginary father in the skies. He must
    protect himself by finding the facts in Nature, by developing his
    brain, to the end that he may overcome the obstructions and take
    advantage of the forces of Nature.

    Is there a God?

    I do not know.

    Is man immortal?

    I do not know.

    One thing I do know, and that is, that neither hope, nor fear,
    belief, nor denial, can change the fact. It is as it is, and it
    will be as it must be.

    We wait and hope.

    XI

    When I became convinced that the Universe is natural -- that
    all the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain,
    into my soul, into every drop of my blood, the sense, the feeling,
    the joy of freedom. The walls of my prison crumbled and fell, the
    dungeon was flooded with light and all the bolts, and bars, and
    manacles became dust. I was no longer a servant, a serf or a slave.
    There was for me no master in all the wide world -- not even in
    infinite space. I was free -- free to think, to express my thoughts
    -- free to live to my own ideal -- free to live for myself and
    those I loved -- free to use all my faculties, all my senses --
    free to spread imagination's wings -- free to investigate, to guess
    and dream and hope -- free to judge and determine for myself --
    free to reject all ignorant and cruel creeds, all the "inspired"
    books that savages have produced, and all the barbarous legends of
    the past -- free from popes and priests -- free from all the
    "called" and "set apart" -- free from sanctified mistakes and holy
    lies -- free from the fear of eternal pain -- free from the winged
    monsters of the night -- free from devils, ghosts and gods. For the
    first time I was free. There were no prohibited places in all the
    realms of thought -- no air, no space, where fancy could not spread
    her painted wings -- no chains for my limbs -- no lashes for my
    back -- no fires for my flesh -- no master's frown or threat -- no
    following another's steps -- no need to bow, or cringe, or crawl,
    or utter lying words. I was free. I stood erect and fearlessly,
    joyously, faced all worlds.

    And then my heart was filled with gratitude, with
    thankfulness, and went out in love to all the heroes, the thinkers
    who gave their lives for the liberty of hand and brain -- for the
    freedom of labor and thought -- to those who fell on the fierce
    fields of war, to those who died in dungeons bound with chains --
    to those who proudly mounted scaffold's stairs -- to those whose
    bones were crushed, whose flesh was scarred and torn -- to those by
    fire consumed -- to all the wise, the good, the brave of every
    land, whose thoughts and deeds have given freedom to the sons of
    men. And then I vowed to grasp the torch that they had held, and
    hold it high, that light might conquer darkness still.

    Let us be true to ourselves -- true to the facts we know, and
    let us, above all things, preserve the veracity of our souls.

    If there be gods we cannot help them, but we can assist our
    fellow-men. We cannot love the inconceivable, but we can love wife
    and child and friend.

    We can be as honest as we are ignorant. If we are, when asked
    what is beyond the horizon of the known, we must say that we do not
    know. We can tell the truth, and we can enjoy the blessed freedom
    that the brave have won. We can destroy the monsters of
    superstition, the hissing snakes of ignorance and fear. We can
    drive from our minds the frightful things that tear and wound with
    beak and fang. We can civilize our fellow-men. We can fill our
    lives with generous deeds, with loving words, with art and song,
    and all the ecstasies of love. We can flood our years with sunshine
    -- with the divine climate of kindness, and we can drain to the
    last drop the golden cup of joy.

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    Good lord, just tell us from your own heart with no more than few sentences needed as to why you're agnostic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    Good lord, just tell us from your own heart with no more than few sentences needed as to why you're agnostic.
    That's funny.

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    Why not just copy and paste "Thus spoke Zarathustra"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunty View Post
    Good lord, just tell us from your own heart with no more than few sentences needed as to why you're agnostic.
    I'm sure most won't read it, due to short attention spans or whatever, but some will. I posted the work for those who will read it and care to comment on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedDirt717 View Post
    Why not just copy and paste "Thus spoke Zarathustra"?
    That would be just too 2001.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedDirt717 View Post
    Why not just copy and paste "Thus spoke Zarathustra"?

    Quote Originally Posted by USG '60 View Post
    That would be just too 2001.
    HALarious!

    HVAC - get off the fence, man! Take a stand! Agnostics are sooooo wishy-washy.

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    I just happened to see this thread title on the main page or I wouldn't normally be here. THANKS for sharing a little Robert Ingersoll. I own the complete Dresden Edition of "The Works of Robert Green Ingersoll" and did back when that was a big deal. Now, it's scanned and it's all available for reading on the net (which is a good thing!). I paid $250 for my set 20 years ago. Most of his essays are not the least bit dated and could have been written today. My favorites are THE TRUTH and HOW TO REFORM MANKIND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeethalDose View Post
    HALarious!

    HVAC - get off the fence, man! Take a stand! Agnostics are sooooo wishy-washy.
    The problem with jumping off the fence is that you will rarely ever meet a true atheist.

    A true atheist says "I believe there are no deities with absolute certainty". An agnostic can be "I most likely believe there are no deities since I have not seen any evidence for one". Richard Dawkins is one such atheistic agnostic.

    Most Christians that I observe act with this in mind: "I most likely believe there is a god so I will act in a manner so." But I rarely meet true theists who say "I believe there is a god with absolute certainty".

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    Thanks HVAC!
    And I agree to short attention spans.
    You know they said the sum total of humankinds' knowledge doubles every 2 years now.
    Sometimes the stuff we used to wondered about, is replaced by GTA, or Lost, or worst the Kardashians. I was lured in the 1st time, thinking it was about the Cardassians .lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by silvergrove View Post
    The problem with jumping off the fence is that you will rarely ever meet a true atheist.

    A true atheist says "I believe there are no deities with absolute certainty". An agnostic can be "I most likely believe there are no deities since I have not seen any evidence for one". Richard Dawkins is one such atheistic agnostic.

    Most Christians that I observe act with this in mind: "I most likely believe there is a god so I will act in a manner so." But I rarely meet true theists who say "I believe there is a god with absolute certainty".
    I will agree with this statement except that I will act in accordance of what I feel is moral based on how I was raised by my parents and in accordance to that in which I feel whomever created this universe is not going to punish me for stupid little things like pleasuring myself--things of that nature, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKCisOK4me View Post
    I will agree with this statement except that I will act in accordance of what I feel is moral based on how I was raised by my parents and in accordance to that in which I feel whomever created this universe is not going to punish me for stupid little things like pleasuring myself--things of that nature, lol.
    Agreed. Some of the agnostics and atheists that I know are one of the most pleasant people to be around.

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    Why I'm atheist:

    Because I quit believing in fairy tales in the 3rd grade.

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    I read an article in last week's Gazette and it was talking about the minority religions in Oklahoma, such as Paganism and Wicca. I liked one line in the article saying something along the lines of:

    "If a person tells me they're spiritual but not religious it means that they believe in a god (a creator) but just don't want to belong to a religious institution."

    Damn right. I can be just as healthy as those of you praising a father you can't see in your life and do it on my own without being affected by not having community, or the church.

    I hate to sound that way, but I've also seen what religion can do to people that follow it as if it's the one thing in their life. There's this lady that lives in the condos where I live and the other night she's just going on and on about Jesus being in her life and having the blood of God's only son Jesus Christ in her and how the head wants one thing but the heart tells us another. And she did get deeper and deeper in her preaching but all the while she was doing it she was not talking eye to eye with me. She'd talk to the brick wall over to her right while I'm on her left and then interact with people that weren't there.

    Okay, I'm happy that you've found something that brings joy to your life and you've finally found that peace that wasn't in you for the longest part of your life...but, yo, you're crazy. And I did keep her going because I was interacting with her but it was too good. I said, "I'll be right back". I went to my place and never went back cause she just went on and on for 20-30 minutes.

    Preaching to the wrong choir Miss!

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    The problem I have encountered is that if you even mention that you are something other than Christian, or another mainstream religion, then suddenly there is something 'wrong' with you...especially in Oklahoma. Religious tolerence only works when you are a member of a select group of faith systems. What these people fail to understand is that I have a deep faith, and I do believe...just in something different.

    -Chris-

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    As long as people put their religion out there they should expect people to comment or react.

    A lot of nonchristians are vocal about what Christians think and believe.

    My question is, "Why should anyone willing to lambast the 'Christians' be offended that the christians do exactly the same thing when they assume they know how nonchristians think or believe? I'm just saying.

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    Why should any group that preaches tolerance and understanding draw the line to include only those that agree with them?

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    Which "group" is that? Is there some monolithic "tolerance agnostic" group which roams neighborhoods preaching tolerance but only the way they practice it, handing out pamphlets and threatening people with reason and peace if they aren't tolerant?

    Or, do they threaten people with a fiery afterlife if they don't believe in the God the agnostics don't believe in?

    I get 3 different kinds of Baptists, 7th day Adventists, the Watchtower people, Mormons, and the occasional "life group" in my neighborhood. But, I've never been proselytized by agnostics tolerencers.

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    If people want to categorize the ones like that, let 'em. I can understand the irritation. Unfortunately, so many tend to lump "christian" into one group and shamelessly attribute the most offensive characteristics to all of them with no thought of fairness or accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PennyQuilts View Post
    As long as people put their religion out there they should expect people to comment or react.

    A lot of nonchristians are vocal about what Christians think and believe.

    My question is, "Why should anyone willing to lambast the 'Christians' be offended that the christians do exactly the same thing when they assume they know how nonchristians think or believe? I'm just saying.
    This is a good rationale for live and let live. However, that perspective does seem incompatible with many religious views of all denominations, sects, and theologies.

    I am more critical of Christians as a theological group than any other despite being an active member of that group. I've been beset upon by other Christians my entire life telling me why my version of Christianity is the true path to hell.

    I've never had a Buddhist, Muslim, Atheist, Jew, Hindu, or any other non-christian group try to convert me or otherwise try to convince me I'm too flawed to continue without thier group's intervention.

    I take that back. I've had Moonies and Hare Krishna's approach me 25 years ago.

    Christian types, on the other hand, are a weekly feature in my neighborhood.

    It bears mention that I live in a upscale affluent (by Oklahoma standards) neighborhood.

    My last residence in a downscale lower middle class neighborhood got very few proselytizers. I recall only one the 8 years I lived there--Jehovah's Witnessers.

    There's a direct link between the money in the area and how desirable a target for spiritual shake downs.

    Maybe it is coincidence, maybe it's by design. However, a fisherman fishes in water not sand. Similarly, if I needed to finance for my new million dollar Ford Audio multimedia worship extravaganza, the pastor's new Cadillac, the pastor's wife's new face lift, and thier million dollar parsonage in Oak Tree, I'd look in my neighborhood also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PennyQuilts View Post
    Aww, we're not on that.

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