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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Hotter air will always rise, but a mass of hot air sitting above can be a problem too.... like when heat builds up in your attic. That's why they have attic ventilation. I am sure they have a pretty robust re-circulation and fresh air system.
    Thanks was just curious. I just had AC installed in my house and they spec'd the system to ignore my basement because it doesn't add to the cooling load as much. Wasn't sure if a similar calculation would be used for unused space in such a large vertical area. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    Thanks was just curious. I just had AC installed in my house and they spec'd the system to ignore my basement because it doesn't add to the cooling load as much. Wasn't sure if a similar calculation would be used for unused space in such a large vertical area. Thanks.
    At around 6 ft deep the ground is about the avg temp of the air for the year ...very moderate. Therefore it can not only not add heat, it is usually cooler. Basements have a lot of benefits.

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    From Tietsort LLC, the glass contractor:


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    Pretty !

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    The Chickasaw Tribe must have big plans for the 100 acres on the museum site since they closed on that property back in 2018. FAM has a $90 million investment with an estimated $25 million - $35 million to finish construction making the total investment up to the $125 million range.

    The Chickasaw Nation has agreed to fund its operations against losses for $2 million annually for the first seven years after it opens.

    Obviously the Chickasaw Nation has something BIG planned (Non casino) for those 100 acres they closed on in 2018. Can't wait to get bits and pieces for the project. The Tribes has millions invested into completion of the FAM museum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laramie View Post
    The Chickasaw Tribe must have big plans for the 100 acres on the museum site since they closed on that property back in 2018. FAM has a $90 million investment with an estimated $25 million - $35 million to finish construction making the total investment up to the $125 million range.

    The Chickasaw Nation has agreed to fund its operations against losses for $2 million annually for the first seven years after it opens.

    Obviously the Chickasaw Nation has something BIG planned (Non casino) for those 100 acres they closed on in 2018. Can't wait to get bits and pieces for the project. The Tribes has millions invested into completion of the FAM museum.
    I have no inside knowledge, but I think the Chickasaw were the biggest driver behind the museum from the start. I think Oklahoma City is vital to their business and their economic impact on OKC is larger than any other tribe. They wanted the FAM in it's current location for that reason. On the flip side, it meant that other tribes didn't want to share in the expenditure at as high a level. I always thought the common belief was that the Chickasaw were going to finish the project at some point, and the only question was how long it would have to sit before they stepped up and closed the deal. They were patient and waited for the overall project to be acceptable to all sides. They might ultimately make a lot of money, but they worked hard and took risk to get there, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dob Hooligan View Post
    I have no inside knowledge, but I think the Chickasaw were the biggest driver behind the museum from the start. I think Oklahoma City is vital to their business and their economic impact on OKC is larger than any other tribe. They wanted the FAM in it's current location for that reason. On the flip side, it meant that other tribes didn't want to share in the expenditure at as high a level. I always thought the common belief was that the Chickasaw were going to finish the project at some point, and the only question was how long it would have to sit before they stepped up and closed the deal. They were patient and waited for the overall project to be acceptable to all sides. They might ultimately make a lot of money, but they worked hard and took risk to get there, IMO.
    they were not a driver of the museum at all .... the state was they also did not pick the location

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderSooner View Post
    they were not a driver of the museum at all .... the state was they also did not pick the location
    The State dropped the ball on this, PERIOD...

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    Best pictures I have seen of the FAM!

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    I agree. Great shots Pete! Is the land in top left of the first picture still targeted for development?

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    Wonderful. It's a shame this museum is so disconnected from the main tourist area.

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    I heard second hand recently it's getting a pedestrian bridge across the river (connecting to trail), apparently before Wheeler's bridge, which was approved earlier. Don't have the first hand info/deets though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawnw View Post
    I heard second hand recently it's getting a pedestrian bridge across the river (connecting to trail), apparently before Wheeler's bridge, which was approved earlier. Don't have the first hand info/deets though.
    This would definitely help the museum with tourists; also the 100 acres promised to the Chickasaw Tribe for finishing the museum will of interest once the Tribe decides what they want to do with that land.

    Will the city be able to help with infrastructure once the Tribe decides what they want to do with the land or has that already been determined...

    BTW, anything anyone would like to suggest or predict what those 100 acres will be developed into.

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    The city should work to extend American Indian BLVD to to High St. and then extend the I-35 service roads north. That would go a long ways for better connectivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonic Panda View Post
    The city should work to extend American Indian BLVD to to High St. and then extend the I-35 service roads north. That would go a long ways for better connectivity.
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    I agree that it makes some sense to do it for northbound, but I think southbound would be tough because of the railroad.

    Also not sure how future plans for this land would be impacted by such a thing.

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    They’d have to dig a trench under the railroad. It would be nice to see that maintenance yard moved somewhere so that property could be opened up for development.

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    You know what it's been like working with the railroad so........

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    very nice how this turned out.

    ONLY wish would be if it were oriented slightly different so the hill is behind the building so that one could be up on the hill with views of the museum in front of downtown. Nevertheless, kudos to OKC and the Chickasaws for taking this on and making what LOOKS to be a world class museum! Now OKC - get to promoting it along with the Western Heritage Museum as OKC's two world class premium features.
    Oklahoma City, the RENAISSANCE CITY!

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    I saw something showing how the mound is like stonehenge in that the setting sun aligns with certain parts at the equinoxes etc, when the observer is at a certain spot (can't remember where I saw it) so not sure if it could be re-arranged and still have that effect

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    https://famok.org/fam-volunteer-doce...-ELvQADa-BYzj0

    Opening in September and looking for volunteers.

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    Tickets go on sale august 1st for its September 18th grand opening:

    https://famok.org/

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    Is the expansion of the south river trail from I 35 to the Museum and Eagle trail in the work ? It would make sense as it is just one block, I think.

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    It's on an agenda somewhere but not sure when

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    I cannot find any evidence of any current movement, but there are preliminary plans. The trail is referred to as the Oklahoma Greenway Trail and extends east from I-35 to Eastern, then north over the river, then west along I-40, under I-35 and around the boathouse district where it terminates at Lincoln and the Oklahoma River.

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