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    Re: MAPS 4 Stadium

    This might be the best location for a soccer stadium. I think the question in my mind when you have a private developer involved would be the following: Is this the best location for a soccer stadium...
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    Re: MAPS 4 Stadium

    I’ve always felt the main goal of MAPS was to improve the quality of life for all OKC citizens.

    I get that it takes growth and development for that to happen. There are several things like...
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    Re: MAPS 4 Stadium

    My preference would’ve been to utilize a third party without a direct vested interest. Fortunately, for the city we have large swaths of vacant land due to urban renewal in and around the city...
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    Re: MAPS 4 Stadium

    Why wasn’t that announced? Why didn’t that happen?

    The guy that owns the team was put in charge of finding the location and picking the layout. It just so happens to be a plot of land he’s...
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    Re: MAPS 4 Stadium

    What in the world is going on here???

    Holt openly admits there was no budget for land acquisition. So at a minimum the plan was to have someone donate premium land in the downtown vicinity. That...
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    Re: MAPS 4 Stadium

    Isn’t the same guy directing the stadium development the one that owns the team? The same guy that would directly benefit from his team playing in a higher level league and possibly even the MLS....
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    This would be my wish list:

    1. Public Mobility: Large commitment to public transportation. With a major focus specifically on making the core easy to traverse by bus, bike, streetcar, etc......
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    Plu - you’re not helping my point about subjectivity… ;)

    Overall, I’m just saying the opportunity is there and we should keep our ambition’s high.
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    When you consider there is $700M planned for the Dream Hotel/Boardwalk area you quickly exceed $2B. If the city is able to engineer interactive elements to that development and the arena you’ve got...
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    To be fair, it’s probably not iconic by San Francisco standards. However, there are elements that they preserved and improved upon from the old Oakland arena I find very impressive.


    Now with...
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    I believe the quote was from Clay Bennett. Why wouldn’t we expect “iconic”? Which iconic can be defined and a consensus established to validate that term. It’s not completely subjective as some might...
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    $18M/Month avg. by the end of the 72-month period. Is that a fair estimate barring any recession or financial headwinds.

    $1.3B collected
    $70M from Maps 4
    $50M Ownership contribution
    $1.4B...
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    Urbanized - do you know the average monthly dollar figure for MAPS portion of the sales tax? The agreement is to spend a minimum of $900M and the collection period is 72-months. Just curious what...
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    Pete - any idea on why the city waited? Could this have been funded like past Maps projects and thus avoid any interest cost via bonds or a loan? Just seems like a waste of $200+M towards interest...
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    I would love to see the Cox Site selected. I feel like it makes the most sense based on the central location and the opportunity to develop around it's location.

    It would be amazing if they're...
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    The Thunder have a contract that lays out the compensation they receive. No conspiracy involved with that statement.

    I just find it interesting the mayor outlined a new arena would help attract...
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    Do you have any additional insight?

    I tend to believe for any artist considering which venue to choose between OKC and Tulsa it comes down to the bottom line negotiated with the management...
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    I’m curious if this is the real reason we’re losing major events to Tulsa. Could it be the Thunder is holding back bigger names due to the percentage they get?
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    This entire thing is about creating more suites and premium seating. Thus the majority of citizens that will fund the tax continuation will most likely have reduced access to “cheap seats”. Most...
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    I agree with all the points made but understand that’s not a realistic ask from the ownership group. In my opinion it’s the most disappointing logo/branding I have ever seen.

    The people funding...
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    I can appreciate personal viewpoints and opinions. However, this argument is now being used to support funding for a new arena. I asked if anyone had real data or factual information from the city to...
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    I agree with you on that point. Mayor Holt is doing everything he can to keep the Thunder in OKC. Including pushing one of the most one-sided sports arena deals ever. I believe his hands are tied and...
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    It will cost at least $900M+ more than you’ve paid right now. The sales tax will continue and there will be interest costs associated with a loan.

    That reasoning would be similar to a car salesman...
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    Is there any stats on the size comparison for Paycom vs. BOK center or Paycom vs. comparable arenas? Specifically for the loading docks.

    It’s a shame that we’re missing out on 7-9 major concerts...
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    Re: New Downtown Arena

    ^This is probably why there isn’t any data. No need for it in the city’s mind. Why open a “done deal” to any level of scrutiny.
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