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Keith
09-16-2006, 12:16 PM
FROM REUTERS

By Stephen Brown

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict is sorry Muslims were offended by a speech that provoked fury in the Islamic world and led to calls for the leader of the Catholic church to apologize personally, the Vatican said on Saturday.

"The Holy Father is very sorry that some passages of his speech may have sounded offensive to the sensibilities of Muslim believers," Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said in a statement.

Benedict's worst crisis since he was elected in April 2005 was sparked by a speech in his native Germany on Tuesday that appeared to endorse a Christian view, contested by most Muslims, that early Muslims spread their religion by violence.

The backlash has cast doubt on a planned visit to Turkey by the Pope in November. In an early reaction to the Vatican statement, Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood said it was not enough and they wanted "a personal apology".

"We feel he has committed a grave error against us and that this mistake will only be removed through a personal apology," the Brotherhood's deputy leader, Mohammed Habib, told Reuters.

The Pope's next scheduled public appearance is his Sunday Angelus blessing, when he often comments on current affairs.

Bertone, walking into the crisis only a day after taking over as "deputy pope", said the 79-year-old Pope confirmed "his respect and esteem for those who profess the Islamic faith" and hoped his words would be understood "in their true sense".

The academic speech was meant as a "a clear and radical rejection of religiously motivated violence, wherever it comes from", said the statement, which came as criticism of the leader of the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics swelled.

Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan of Muslim Turkey said on Saturday before the Vatican statement that the Pope's comments were "ugly and unfortunate" and should be withdrawn. "The Pope spoke like a politician rather than as a man of religion," Erdogan said in televised remarks.

Yemen's president publicly denounced the pontiff and five churches -- only one of them Catholic -- were attacked in the West Bank, although no one was hurt. Egypt's foreign ministry summoned the Vatican envoy to Cairo to express "extreme regret" at Benedict's speech.

But Chancellor Angela Merkel and other German politicians defended his comments, saying he had been misunderstood.

"It was an invitation to dialogue between religions," she told the mass-circulation Bild newspaper in an interview.

CALLS FOR APOLOGY

The New York Times said in an editorial the Pope must issue a "deep and persuasive" apology for quotes used in his speech.

"The world listens carefully to the words of any pope. And it is tragic and dangerous when one sows pain, either deliberately or carelessly," it said. In the speech, the Pope referred to criticism of the Prophet Mohammad by 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who said everything Mohammad brought was evil "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached".

Using the terms "jihad" and "holy war", the Pope said violence was "incompatible with the nature of God".

But Bertone said the Pontiff "had absolutely no intention" of presenting Emperor Manuel's opinions on Islam as his own.

Vatican insiders and diplomats say the Pope may have mixed up his new role with his former posts as a theologian and head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, when as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger he was known as a disciplinarian. Angry Muslim leaders flung what they saw as allegations of violence back at the Christian West.

"How can (the Pope) imply that Muslims are the creators of terrorism in the world while it is the followers of Christianity who have aggressed against every country of the Islamic world?" prominent Saudi cleric Salman al-Odeh said. "Who attacked Afghanistan and who invaded Iraq?"

In Libya, the General Instance of Religious Affairs said the "insult ... pushes us back to the era of crusades against Muslims led by Western political and religious leaders".

Turkish paper Vatan quoted a member of the ruling Justice and Development Party saying Benedict "will go down in history in the same category as leaders like Hitler and Mussolini".

Catholic bishops in Turkey feared the angry local reaction, led by the Grand Mufti, could show public opinion was shifting against the Pope's planned visit. But Turkish officials said they hoped the row would blow over and the visit would go ahead.

In Iraq the government asked Muslims not to take their anger out on the small Christian minority, after the door of a church in Basra was attacked. The foreign ministry summoned the Vatican's top diplomat there to explain the Pope's remarks.

Midtowner
09-16-2006, 12:23 PM
Keith, would you say that the Pope is factually off base here?

Just because Muslims get angry and have violent protests (which is hellaironic), it doesn't make the Pope wrong. It tends to actually prove him right.

Martin
09-16-2006, 03:42 PM
pope benedict is sorry muslims were offended by a speech...
that's a bit misleading. while the pope regrets the backlash, at the time of this post he has yet to apologize... and i hope he doesn't. the muslim community can protest all it wants, but that doesn't disprove anything the pope said. -M

Karried
09-16-2006, 04:10 PM
The minute I heard it, the first thought that came to mind was ' well, if the shoe fits..'

Of course, I don't know exactly what he said but you have to admit, some do seem to have a strange way of spreading God's love.. such as body parts spread over the ocean after a suicide bomber blows himself up in the name of Allah.

Keith
09-16-2006, 10:43 PM
Did anyone ever think that maybe the pope makes mistakes too? He is just as human as the rest of us, and he should apologize. If the pope were a baptist, you all would be all over him....

Midtowner
09-16-2006, 10:46 PM
How was what he said a mistake Keith?

Please explain.

Luke
09-17-2006, 06:24 AM
...offended by a speech that provoked fury in the Islamic world


...five churches -- only one of them Catholic -- were attacked in the West Bank...


Angry Muslim leaders flung what they saw as allegations of violence back at the Christian West.


Catholic bishops in Turkey feared the angry local reaction...


...a church in Basra was attacked...

How ironic is this? With every violent act, the Muslims are reinforcing the very quote they are so upset over.

Karried
09-17-2006, 06:59 AM
A mistake? I think what people are saying is the angry and violent reaction from the Muslim world is off base because what the Pope said has some truth to it.

Midtowner
09-17-2006, 08:09 AM
How ironic is this? With every violent act, the Muslims are reinforcing the very quote they are so upset over.

I'm pretty sure the Arabic language has not word for "hypocrite." ;)

bandnerd
09-17-2006, 09:02 AM
If the pope were a baptist, you all would be all over him....


If the Dixie Chicks had said this, wouldn't you be all over them?

Regardless of who made this statement, it's still true.