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kukblue1
06-19-2022, 05:48 PM
I did a search and didn't find anything recent. Do you think smarthours are worth it? Has anyone compared to another home in your area or from one year to another? I been on it for 6 years and now that i'm home a few days during those hours I wonder if I'm really saving much. I don't run the AC from 2-7 I pre cool can get it down to 70 degrees. It gets up to 78-79 by 7pm. The last 2 hours from 5-7 gets rough. I run ceiling fan but then my AC has to run for hours to get it back down to 72 for bed time. My AC runs from like 11:30-2 non stop than from like 7pm until 10 pm non stop. How much money am I really saving. Is it worth it? What is the current rate without smarthours? What are your thoughts?

chssooner
06-19-2022, 06:49 PM
If you are home during the day, it is not worth it. If you are away from most of the day, it is worth it.

scottk
06-19-2022, 07:23 PM
Although you are saving money (half price) by running your A/C after 7 PM, in your case, it sounds like your savings are canceled out by having it run continuously in the off-peak hours to get back down to a reasonable temp. We have had Smart Hours from nearly the program's inception. Initially, we did what you were doing with the pre-cool and then catching back up after 7 PM. Our house was still 78 degrees at 9 PM and our AC ran for hours in the evening.

Now, we keep our air at 74 during the 2-7 time, and then drop a few degrees when going to bed. Our A/C doesn't run nearly as much with a constant temp, and our house stays comfortable. Our house is around 1800-2000 square feet and we usually have an electric bill just around $125-150 in the summer. We do shift all of our laundry to off-peak time and try to only use the oven occasionally when making dinner before 7 PM.

Midtowner
06-20-2022, 11:29 AM
My office landlord installed it. It's not something we enjoy.

oklip955
06-20-2022, 11:41 AM
Have you considered the averaging program or the flat rate? I am on the flat rate. Same cost each month through the year based on last years usage. My bill is up to around $375 a month for total electric house 1700 sq ft with extra frig and 2 freezers. I am retired so I stay home and yes run the ac. I could not handle 78 at night. ugh I keep mine at 68 but with that said some of my rooms run alot hotter then 68. Hall is 68 but the rooms are 70ish. yes I have R48 in the attic. I'm just total electric so my winter heating is a bit expensive. No natural gas and I did not do propane when I built my house.

scottk
06-20-2022, 12:26 PM
My office landlord installed it. It's not something we enjoy.

Wow! I thought it was only for residential. Can't imagine turning up the thermostat in the business to save a few bucks at the expense of employee and customer comfort.

Bullbear
06-20-2022, 12:56 PM
My office landlord installed it. It's not something we enjoy.

the program is just a rate and not an actual device. are you saying they have programmed a thermostat? thermostat programs can help people manage the program but aren't required and can be set to any temp you wish. I wouldn't enjoy working in a warm office for sure.

Bullbear
06-20-2022, 12:57 PM
Wow! I thought it was only for residential. Can't imagine turning up the thermostat in the business to save a few bucks at the expense of employee and customer comfort.
it is only residential. its a residential rate. so if it is an office it must be set up as a residential account.

bombermwc
06-20-2022, 02:13 PM
I had it and hated it. The amount we saved wasn't worth the sweating or the anger when we saw the red light for the high rates. That $20 a month wasn't worth me sweating my you know what's off and having to not use the dryer or dishwasher/etc until after 7.

If they really want this to be a program people are willing to enroll in long-term, then the savings needs to be a LOT more than it is. Especially now that so many people work from home and have to sit in the heat during the "smart" hours now for a lot longer than they used to. Not being home for so much of it made it tolerable for a while. There's no way you would catch me doing this now.

I'd rather put solar panels on my house and say F it to OG&E.

king183
06-20-2022, 05:25 PM
I had it and hated it. The amount we saved wasn't worth the sweating or the anger when we saw the red light for the high rates. That $20 a month wasn't worth me sweating my you know what's off and having to not use the dryer or dishwasher/etc until after 7.

If they really want this to be a program people are willing to enroll in long-term, then the savings needs to be a LOT more than it is. Especially now that so many people work from home and have to sit in the heat during the "smart" hours now for a lot longer than they used to. Not being home for so much of it made it tolerable for a while. There's no way you would catch me doing this now.

I'd rather put solar panels on my house and say F it to OG&E.

If you put solar on your house and OGE is your electric provider, you have to use Time of Use, fyi. If you produce enough energy to power you're entire time, it won't make a difference whether you're on TOU or standard rates because you'll have the minimum bill either way. My understanding is most people with solar do not produce enough electricity in July and August, but their bills are still very low, even with TOU. I'm anxious to get my solar installed ASAP with this heat.

kukblue1
06-20-2022, 07:27 PM
Well this thread is about ready to exploded if what Aaron Tuttle and others are saying on his facebook page. Sounds like smart hours customers are being you know what over.

PaddyShack
06-21-2022, 07:58 AM
If you put solar on your house and OGE is your electric provider, you have to use Time of Use, fyi. If you produce enough energy to power you're entire time, it won't make a difference whether you're on TOU or standard rates because you'll have the minimum bill either way. My understanding is most people with solar do not produce enough electricity in July and August, but their bills are still very low, even with TOU. I'm anxious to get my solar installed ASAP with this heat.

I think the corporate commission should step in and force OGE to allow free and open use of private solar panels without penalizing customers for generating their own power. It seems very backwards to me that I can't simply go and buy my own panels, generate my own power, and then have OGE gripe that I am not using their power.

Anonymous.
06-21-2022, 08:22 AM
Well this thread is about ready to exploded if what Aaron Tuttle and others are saying on his facebook page. Sounds like smart hours customers are being you know what over.

I am not on SmartHours, but I went to the website and it looks like they publish rates for every today and tomorrow here: https://apps.oge.com/OK_PriceSignal/

What is the complaint exactly? It looks to me if you can wait until 7pm to run AC and appliances, then you would save money.

kukblue1
06-21-2022, 09:23 AM
I am not on SmartHours, but I went to the website and it looks like they publish rates for every today and tomorrow here: https://apps.oge.com/OK_PriceSignal/

What is the complaint exactly? It looks to me if you can wait until 7pm to run AC and appliances, then you would save money.

Some people are saying that the rate for people on non Smart hours is 7 cents all day and Smart hours are 7 cents most of the time but then between two and seven it could be much more expensive. Others are saying the rates 12 cents all day for non-smart hours but even so are you really saving any money when like today it's 43 cents between two and seven. They claim you're saving up to almost 50% are you really though?

king183
06-21-2022, 10:00 AM
I think the corporate commission should step in and force OGE to allow free and open use of private solar panels without penalizing customers for generating their own power. It seems very backwards to me that I can't simply go and buy my own panels, generate my own power, and then have OGE gripe that I am not using their power.

I believe OGE makes a legitimate argument that even those who are getting 100% of their electricity from solar panels still utilize OGE's infrastructure and should pay a minimum fee to account for the use and maintenance of that infrastructure. I would be concerned, however, if they continue to increase that access cost in lieu of increasing energy costs to account for increases in energy prices.

They also allow solar users to bank their excessive energy use for 24 months, which I believe is rare amount electric utilities.

LocoAko
06-21-2022, 10:26 AM
I believe OGE makes a legitimate argument that even those who are getting 100% of their electricity from solar panels still utilize OGE's infrastructure and should pay a minimum fee to account for the use and maintenance of that infrastructure. I would be concerned, however, if they continue to increase that access cost in lieu of increasing energy costs to account for increases in energy prices.

They also allow solar users to bank their excessive energy use for 24 months, which I believe is rare amount electric utilities.

That's right. As someone who is actively in the process of installing solar, I think it is totally fair to still charge grid-tied solar users a "grid/infrastructure" fee, which has in fact been argued to be more equitable than states that allow net metering customers to completely get rid of their electric bill despite utilizing the grid's infrastructure. In that case the (generally) more affluent customers who can afford to install solar panels are being subsidized by (generally) lower-income customers who have to pay for the grid themselves. I do agree it would be unfair to increase that fee beyond what regular OG&E customers are paying, which I don't think is what is currently happening. It is possible to go totally off the grid and ditch OG&E, but those systems are expensive and risky (i.e., if you don't produce enough power, oh well and good luck to you) and there's a reason most people don't do it.

So far, I haven't actually had any issue with OG&E's practices when it comes to solar (and believe me, I am not fan of my experience with OG&E more generally). The bigger issue compared to other states is the complete lack of incentives from the state legislature and things like Solar Renewable Energy Certifices (SERCs). But from what I can gather OG&E's practices are largely in line with the practices of other states.

Anonymous.
06-21-2022, 10:46 AM
I am on the regular plan and it looks like I am being charged between 11.5-13 cents per KWH at any given time.

I went ahead and totaled up all my hourly cost from a normal day last week where it was mid 90s and here are the results. This is a day with me being away at work from 730am-530pm and not running AC until 5pm.

Taking no power usage considerations into account:
Without SH: $2.38 non-peak + $0.98 peak = $3.36 for the day
With SH:$1.39 non-peak + $3.50 peak = $4.89 for the day

Now I went and took into account smarthours usage rates by extrapolating the 'power used' data from 9am-2pm (as it was basically flat @ around .27 per hour.) and continued it until 7pm (so I would not run AC or appliances until 7) and here are the results:
With SH: $1.39 non-peak + $1.77 peak = $3.16 for the day


So from those results, Smarthours will cost me more if I was to proceed with normal day operations when I get home around 530pm. However, if I sweat it out until 7pm, then I save about 20 cents each day.

In conclusion, if I was enrolled in smarthours, the 43cents rate would murder my bill from turning my AC on @ 5pm. To me, 20 cents per day is not worth sweating it out until 7pm, so no smarthours for my house.

DowntownMan
06-21-2022, 11:06 AM
Early on in the program there seemed to be more normal and low days in June and September but the last few years I feel there had been more high days so it eliminates the savings you had from the lower days. The early years of smart hours seemed to actually make for savings. Now it just seems to make for hot evenings in the house.

Bill Robertson
06-21-2022, 01:52 PM
I think the corporate commission should step in and force OGE to allow free and open use of private solar panels without penalizing customers for generating their own power. It seems very backwards to me that I can't simply go and buy my own panels, generate my own power, and then have OGE gripe that I am not using their power.Does OG&E charge if you build a house with solar and no meter set and connection to OG&E at all? I don't know the answer but I would think no. I do know of a couple barn type buildings on lots in OG&E's service area that have no power at all and I know the owners of those don't pay OG&E anything. But if you're going to connect to OG&E for backup or to sell excess to them than yes you should have to pay a minimum to cover line maintenance.

kukblue1
06-21-2022, 08:38 PM
From OG&E facebook page: We’re aware there is some confusion about SmartHours rates, and we recognize that we have an opportunity to make the pricing information on our website clearer. SmartHours is an energy saving program that has saved OG&E customers more than $7 million since its introduction in 2012. We also understand it might not be the most cost effective option for every household depending on electricity usage behavior. We are working to make improvements to our online pricing breakdown to help our customers make the best decision for their household. We appreciate your patience as we work to provide more transparent and easier to understand information. If you have questions about SmartHours, please call us toll-free at 800-272-9741.

Midtowner
06-22-2022, 01:58 PM
the program is just a rate and not an actual device. are you saying they have programmed a thermostat? thermostat programs can help people manage the program but aren't required and can be set to any temp you wish. I wouldn't enjoy working in a warm office for sure.

It's more an annoyance than anything else. It just requires you to get up and manually reset it every few hours. The landlord thought he could save a couple bucks. Where he'd be saving is investing in newer HVAC equipment. But as long as we're at 70 degrees, I don't really mind.

Sydonesia
06-23-2022, 12:21 PM
Early on in the program there seemed to be more normal and low days in June and September but the last few years I feel there had been more high days so it eliminates the savings you had from the lower days. The early years of smart hours seemed to actually make for savings. Now it just seems to make for hot evenings in the house.

I've had SmartHours from day one and it's gone from "critical days" meaning highs in the upper 90s-low 100s to already having 4-5 critical days the last two weeks even with highs only getting to like 92. Them raising the low rate from 5 cents to 7 cents without saying a word about it hasn't helped either (standard went from 10 cents to 11, so the 50% savings is now more like 33%.) I was probably saving $20-$30 a month easy. The way it is structured now (and if a "critical day" is now "any day that is hot") I'm probably breaking even at best and having a much hotter house for it.

kukblue1
06-23-2022, 01:09 PM
https://kfor.com/news/local/oklahoma-customers-raise-concerns-about-oge-smarthours-savings-program-rate-increase/?fbclid=IwAR2T_GE0hyAT7FepQYYEayfvhNJKy9vjXcpMfyu_ k41-TY6N1MN9fldBT_M

scottk
06-23-2022, 05:44 PM
I've had SmartHours from day one and it's gone from "critical days" meaning highs in the upper 90s-low 100s to already having 4-5 critical days the last two weeks even with highs only getting to like 92. Them raising the low rate from 5 cents to 7 cents without saying a word about it hasn't helped either (standard went from 10 cents to 11, so the 50% savings is now more like 33%.) I was probably saving $20-$30 a month easy. The way it is structured now (and if a "critical day" is now "any day that is hot") I'm probably breaking even at best and having a much hotter house for it.

This sounds accurate with the change in price structure. We have been Smarthours customers since the beginning too. This past week of straight Critical Alert days every afternoon has cancelled any savings that we get in the off-peak time.

DowntownMan
06-24-2022, 10:47 AM
This sounds accurate with the change in price structure. We have been Smarthours customers since the beginning too. This past week of straight Critical Alert days every afternoon has cancelled any savings that we get in the off-peak time.

In the early years of the program. It was very rare to get a critical day. Maybe less than 5 a summer. Now it seems itís frequent and at least once a week the entire summer.
Does anyone know what they utilize to deal high or critical and any way for customers to know what it is based on and why they deem more that way now

I have unsubscribed as I looked and last year I saved just $9 on June and September bills but l paid more on July and august bills for an overall more expensive summer on smart hours plus had to deal with hot house until house cooled down after system running for an hour after 7 pm

bombermwc
06-25-2022, 06:57 PM
In the early years of the program. It was very rare to get a critical day. Maybe less than 5 a summer. Now it seems it’s frequent and at least once a week the entire summer.
Does anyone know what they utilize to deal high or critical and any way for customers to know what it is based on and why they deem more that way now

I have unsubscribed as I looked and last year I saved just $9 on June and September bills but l paid more on July and august bills for an overall more expensive summer on smart hours plus had to deal with hot house until house cooled down after system running for an hour after 7 pm

What i think happened was that people were actually saving money. They can't be having that. The whole thing is just a dupe to get you to get so hot that you go ahead and pay the rate and they, as you said, eat up any savings you had. The critical rate days happen here when the entire state is overcast and in the 80s. They claim critical rates on days when OG&E is absolutely not purchasing power from a larger market. That's the pattern that finally did me in. Raise the cost and frequency of the critical days, well there goes any and all benefit. I mean there's really no incentive to stay on the program, so i don't really understand what makes people want to join. OG&E doesn't do anything to actually make people want to join so I have to ask, what's the motivation behind this "offering". Are they required to offer this to check a box, regardless of crappy it is?

kukblue1
07-05-2022, 06:09 PM
Things have really changed. When you did have critical days like today it would usually only be critical from 4-6 than a high rate the other hours. Now the whole thing is really a joke. 2-7 now is Critical. I figured out my usage and I might save $20 a month. Is it worth it sitting in a house that is getting up to 78 degrees around 6 pm?

scottk
07-05-2022, 06:52 PM
Things have really changed. When you did have critical days like today it would usually only be critical from 4-6 than a high rate the other hours. Now the whole thing is really a joke. 2-7 now is Critical. I figured out my usage and I might save $20 a month. Is it worth it sitting in a house that is getting up to 78 degrees around 6 pm?

I thought they use to limit the number of critical days allowed when the program first began, or as you mentioned it was a rare occurrence and maybe only for a short window in the afternoon?

With this hot weather, it seems any day over 95 now is a critical alert day. We kept our thermostat constant and have found that our A/C unit does better keeping a consistent temperature.

Pre-cooling didn't work well for us, within an hour or 90 minutes our A/C would kick right back on, and then struggle to get back down after 7 PM to a comfortable level.

bombermwc
07-06-2022, 09:54 AM
I thought they use to limit the number of critical days allowed when the program first began, or as you mentioned it was a rare occurrence and maybe only for a short window in the afternoon?

With this hot weather, it seems any day over 95 now is a critical alert day. We kept our thermostat constant and have found that our A/C unit does better keeping a consistent temperature.

Pre-cooling didn't work well for us, within an hour or 90 minutes our A/C would kick right back on, and then struggle to get back down after 7 PM to a comfortable level.

I swear its because originally people were saving too much money and they had to "fix" that. I really dont see the benefit to smarthours now. As you said, every day is a critical rate day and the price for those has gone up. And you're right, pre-cooling doesn't work for long. Then it takes hours after 7 to get things where they need to be. So instead of being able to run for a few minutes to maintain a few degree difference, it has to run for 2 hours to get it back down. Tell me how that's efficient? I'd bet you're not really saving in smarthours compared to the expense it is forcing you in to on the flip side.

kukblue1
07-06-2022, 02:15 PM
I been tracking it and doing it off .11 cents for the normal rate. I think it's .10 up to 1,400 kw than .11 but there always fees and stuff. My Smart hours never come to .07 so not sure how they are figuring it. Like Sunday I used 85 kw and my bill was $7.20 which is .084 cents so I'm evening questioning if it's really .07 cents. Any way I used 81 kw yesterday the 5th and my bill was $9. Which averaged to .111 if I was on .11 cents it would of been just a tad cheaper. My nest thermostat showed I ran my ac for 11 hours with it being off all of smart hours compared to sunday when it ran 11 hours just set around 74. You are really only saving money on weekends and even than it's not much maybe a few bucks. Don't get me wrong you are saving some on smarthours but if your AC runs even for 15 minutes on a critical day like yesterday your done your savings are totally gone. So if you not home much during those hours or can pre cool your house and not have it run from 2-7 you can save a little but for most people that's not sustainable at all.

Sydonesia
07-08-2022, 03:54 PM
I been tracking it and doing it off .11 cents for the normal rate. I think it's .10 up to 1,400 kw than .11 but there always fees and stuff. My Smart hours never come to .07 so not sure how they are figuring it. Like Sunday I used 85 kw and my bill was $7.20 which is .084 cents so I'm evening questioning if it's really .07 cents.

OG&E charges a base hourly amount no matter what. It's like 2 cents an hour or something like that. You could lose power for a day and you'd still be charged 40 cents or so even though you used zero electricity. 8.4 cents an hour when you're paying 7 cents a watt sounds about right.

kukblue1
09-06-2022, 10:55 AM
So am I saving money with Smarthours? 2063 KHW bill was 223.38 or .108 cents. My friend bill non smart hours much smaller home was 817 KHW bill was $114 or .139 cents. If others wouldn't posting what their cost was it will would helpful to decide if smarthours is worth it. I know it's still up to the individual and comfort level but is it saving money?

PaddyShack
09-06-2022, 12:29 PM
So am I saving money with Smarthours? 2063 KHW bill was 223.38 or .108 cents. My friend bill non smart hours much smaller home was 817 KHW bill was $114 or .139 cents. If others wouldn't posting what their cost was it will would helpful to decide if smarthours is worth it. I know it's still up to the individual and comfort level but is it saving money?

We're not on Smart Hours, our bill for Aug was 1,273 kwh / $172.13. Now my actual cost of electricity is $156.55 or $0.123/kwh. Does everyone pay the same for the winter securitization? Or does this differ based on usage?

Sydonesia
09-06-2022, 03:03 PM
So am I saving money with Smarthours? 2063 KHW bill was 223.38 or .108 cents. My friend bill non smart hours much smaller home was 817 KHW bill was $114 or .139 cents. If others wouldn't posting what their cost was it will would helpful to decide if smarthours is worth it. I know it's still up to the individual and comfort level but is it saving money?

As far as this summer went with at least 20-25 critical days, the only way you'd have saved money was if your AC was practically off between 2-7. Having critical days almost every weekday in July and August and raising the low/normal rates to .07/.11 when it was once .05/.10 pretty much eliminated any real savings.

FWIW, mine factored to .1083 cents too and that's with me jumping through hoops to avoid paying any more than I have to. I don't think the effort was worth it this summer.

Bullbear
09-06-2022, 04:14 PM
So am I saving money with Smarthours? 2063 KHW bill was 223.38 or .108 cents. My friend bill non smart hours much smaller home was 817 KHW bill was $114 or .139 cents. If others wouldn't posting what their cost was it will would helpful to decide if smarthours is worth it. I know it's still up to the individual and comfort level but is it saving money?
OG&E customer service can actually answer your question most effectively. they can see your usage and Smart hours billed amount each month and what the billed amount would have been by the regular residential rate. I will say most likely you didn't save money with the amount of Critical days this year.

kukblue1
09-06-2022, 04:28 PM
As far as this summer went with at least 20-25 critical days, the only way you'd have saved money was if your AC was practically off between 2-7. Having critical days almost every weekday in July and August and raising the low/normal rates to .07/.11 when it was once .05/.10 pretty much eliminated any real savings.

FWIW, mine factored to .1083 cents too and that's with me jumping through hoops to avoid paying any more than I have to. I don't think the effort was worth it this summer.

That's why I'm wondering if it's worth the effort. On the flip side when it was 100 on Saturday and Sunday you were only playing .07 while other paid .11 all day.