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catcherinthewry
04-06-2021, 09:47 AM
What could go wrong?:headscrat
https://nondoc.com/2021/04/05/oklahoma-county-commissioners-approve-sheriff-department-reality-show/

Midtowner
04-06-2021, 02:35 PM
I'm definitely intrigued. If more people could see what goes on in the jail, change might find an easier path.

MikeLucky
04-06-2021, 04:27 PM
I miss Live PD so much. It's a travesty they caved and shut it down and I'm still hopeful it will come back. I will definitely watch this show as well.

mugofbeer
04-06-2021, 06:23 PM
I miss Live PD so much. It's a travesty they caved and shut it down and I'm still hopeful it will come back. I will definitely watch this show as well.

B-b-b-ut don't these shows glorify authority and promote violence and militarization??

bombermwc
04-07-2021, 06:24 AM
Perhaps they should stop patrolling out in the incorporated areas and focus on having the proper amount of jail staff. Or, oh i dont know, charge the cities more for housing inmates so they can afford the staff they need. It's one thing to blame Whetsell for the stupidity of his past, but after a length of time, it becomes your fault for not fixing the new mess. Especially since it's not as though the new sherrif wasn't present and heavily involved in the Whetsell dictatorship.

It's really time for someone to come in and audit the office. Get that objective view on how things are running. Let them make a review to the county and we'll see where we stand. Personally, i don't trust the office to do something that like properly.

Plutonic Panda
04-07-2021, 08:45 AM
Oklahoma seriously needs to do consolidate its police forces to patrol certain areas. We don’t need OHP, Sheriffs, and OKCPD patrolling the same road.

Midtowner
04-07-2021, 08:47 AM
Sure we do. Every little bit helps.

Plutonic Panda
04-07-2021, 08:48 AM
Sure we do. Every little bit helps.
Over policing is not a good thing but okay.

jedicurt
04-07-2021, 09:44 AM
B-b-b-ut don't these shows glorify authority and promote violence and militarization??

well these shows are not actually reality... they cut and edit to tell the story they want to show. so i don't know if they promote violence and militarization, as much as they just promote a false narrative of policing generally.

Midtowner
04-07-2021, 01:19 PM
Over policing is not a good thing but okay.

When response times are around 9 minutes, that's not overpolicing.

Plutonic Panda
04-07-2021, 01:41 PM
When response times are around 9 minutes, that's not overpolicing.
Average US response times are about 10 minutes. What do you want a cop on every corner that is there in 5 seconds? Yes this country is over policed.

Bill Robertson
04-07-2021, 02:02 PM
Average US response times are about 10 minutes. What do you want a cop on every corner that is there in 5 seconds? Yes this country is over policed.Yesterday a neighbor had her side door kicked in while she was home. I'm sure she considered 10 minutes to be way too long.

Plutonic Panda
04-07-2021, 02:26 PM
Yesterday a neighbor had her side door kicked in while she was home. I'm sure she considered 10 minutes to be way too long.
She should get a gun. But hey let’s just expect the police to be there at the exact second we need them. Because that’s how reality works. And let’s use that ridiculous argument to support 3 separate agencies conducting traffic enforcement on the same road. Then let’s ponder on why this country has such a negative reputation in regards to its policing and why we have the highest incarceration rate in the world.

Bill Robertson
04-07-2021, 02:34 PM
She should get a gun. But hey let’s just expect the police to be there at the exact second we need them. Because that’s how reality works. And let’s use that ridiculous argument to support 3 separate agencies conducting traffic enforcement on the same road. Then let’s ponder on why this country has such a negative reputation in regards to its policing and why we have the highest incarceration rate in the world.
I agree completely on roads. Otherwise the need for police is very real. Unfortunately the perception of the police has been hugely damaged these last many years. The argument of she should get a gun is ridiculous. No one. Absolutely no one should have a gun unless they are also willing and able to go to a range and practice regularly. REGULARLY! Otherwise in an emergency situation they're more dangerous to themselves than the intruder.

GoGators
04-07-2021, 03:13 PM
She should get a gun. But hey letís just expect the police to be there at the exact second we need them. Because thatís how reality works. And letís use that ridiculous argument to support 3 separate agencies conducting traffic enforcement on the same road. Then letís ponder on why this country has such a negative reputation in regards to its policing and why we have the highest incarceration rate in the world.

Traffic stops make police departments money, responding to break ins do not. Police departments should not rely on traffic stops/asset forfeiture to keep the lights on. PDs should get zero direct funding from their own traffic stops/asset forfeiture/drug busts. This incentivizes the wrong type of policing. The fact that we allow police to go out and generate their own revenue is dangerous for everyone. Definitely a major factor in the public's negative perception of police.

Plutonic Panda
04-07-2021, 05:08 PM
I agree completely on roads. Otherwise the need for police is very real. Unfortunately the perception of the police has been hugely damaged these last many years. The argument of she should get a gun is ridiculous. No one. Absolutely no one should have a gun unless they are also willing and able to go to a range and practice regularly. REGULARLY! Otherwise in an emergency situation they're more dangerous to themselves than the intruder.
I’m just saying we need smarter policing not more. The fact that police don’t appear at the exact second you need them doesn’t mean we aren’t over policed.

Traffic stops make police departments money, responding to break ins do not. Police departments should not rely on traffic stops/asset forfeiture to keep the lights on. PDs should get zero direct funding from their own traffic stops/asset forfeiture/drug busts. This incentivizes the wrong type of policing. The fact that we allow police to go out and generate their own revenue is dangerous for everyone. Definitely a major factor in the public's negative perception of police.
I completely agree here and I think the state tolerates it too much.

MikeLucky
04-07-2021, 07:43 PM
well these shows are not actually reality... they cut and edit to tell the story they want to show. so i don't know if they promote violence and militarization, as much as they just promote a false narrative of policing generally.

Apparently you never watched Live PD. 90% or more of it was literally live television. The only way they could show people's faces was because it was un-edited and fell into the category of live news. They had a few edited and pre-recorded spots that were used to fill slow moments, but otherwise it was straight up live policing.

There are some rumors that's it's coming back and I hope they are true.

Plutonic Panda
04-07-2021, 11:14 PM
Apparently you never watched Live PD. 90% or more of it was literally live television. The only way they could show people's faces was because it was un-edited and fell into the category of live news. They had a few edited and pre-recorded spots that were used to fill slow moments, but otherwise it was straight up live policing.

There are some rumors that's it's coming back and I hope they are true.
You’re sick if you enjoy entertainment from other peoples low points in life.

MikeLucky
04-07-2021, 11:42 PM
You’re sick if you enjoy entertainment from other peoples low points in life.

Again, clearly you have never watched the show.

Plutonic Panda
04-08-2021, 07:19 AM
Again, clearly you have never watched the show.
I have.

Midtowner
04-08-2021, 08:46 AM
You’re sick if you enjoy entertainment from other peoples low points in life.

But that's entertainment, right? Either real or simulated low points in folks' lives.

And if nothing else, being on live TV probably prevents officers from using excessive force, so there's that.

AnguisHerba
04-08-2021, 08:54 AM
You’re sick if you enjoy entertainment from other peoples low points in life.

It's sad this is what the discourse has come to. Pre-social media, millions of people were watching COPS and I doubt anyone would have said "You're sick" to someone's face if they said they liked watching COPS. I'm not saying the concept behind these types of shows is morally correct or whatever, but we can disagree about stuff without the insults. This could be a great moment to talk about the exploitative nature of all reality TV, the distinction (or lack thereof) between consent and non-consent in the public sphere, the natural desire for humans to participate in group activities to further the goals of a civilization. Instead, that all gets cut off with a personal attack.

Anyways, this whole thread is devolving in a bad way. Maybe I'm just the village idiot who thinks people can have a civil conversation about controversial topics.

Plutonic Panda
04-08-2021, 08:57 AM
It's sad this is what the discourse has come to. Pre-social media, millions of people were watching COPS and I doubt anyone would have said "You're sick" to someone's face if they said they liked watching COPS. I'm not saying the concept behind these types of shows is morally correct or whatever, but we can disagree about stuff without the insults. This could be a great moment to talk about the exploitative nature of all reality TV, the distinction (or lack thereof) between consent and non-consent in the public sphere, the natural desire for humans to participate in group activities to further the goals of a civilization. Instead, that all gets cut off with a personal attack.

Anyways, this whole thread is devolving in a bad way. Maybe I'm just the village idiot who thinks people can have a civil conversation about controversial topics.
I’ll say it again. You are sick if you enjoy shows like cops or LIVEPD. It is literally exploiting possibly the lowest point in someone’s life. Sorry you don’t like getting called out for partaking in watching other people’s misery for your own enjoyment.

I suppose you could argue that calling you sick is a personal attack but not entirely so. I didn’t call you any names or make fun of you. I just find people that enjoy other people’s misery and suffering to, let’s say not be well.

Plutonic Panda
04-08-2021, 08:59 AM
But that's entertainment, right? Either real or simulated low points in folks' lives.

And if nothing else, being on live TV probably prevents officers from using excessive force, so there's that.
I understand what you’re saying. Good point about preventing excessive force. I’ve watched episodes before and thought to myself if they act different when they’re not on TV. I just can’t understand America’s love for reality TV that exploits people’s downturns. But hey to each their own.

Midtowner
04-08-2021, 09:17 AM
I understand what you’re saying. Good point about preventing excessive force. I’ve watched episodes before and thought to myself if they act different when they’re not on TV. I just can’t understand America’s love for reality TV that exploits people’s downturns. But hey to each their own.

From my perspective, as a lawyer, it really helps me to see how the officers process a stop. I know all of the case law and what is proper, but I actually enjoy sort of running through checklists while watching it and seeing how those things apply in reality. It also helps me, and probably others to see the officers' and arestees' experiences without having to go on a ride along. I'm the kind of kid who can really fall down a rabbit hole watching traffic stops on Youtube..

Plutonic Panda
04-08-2021, 09:49 AM
I’ve been watching Jeremy Dewitte on Police Activity. That has been extremely interesting.

jedicurt
04-08-2021, 01:54 PM
Apparently you never watched Live PD. 90% or more of it was literally live television. The only way they could show people's faces was because it was un-edited and fell into the category of live news. They had a few edited and pre-recorded spots that were used to fill slow moments, but otherwise it was straight up live policing.

There are some rumors that's it's coming back and I hope they are true.

right... except that apparently the agencies got final cut....

https://www.thedailybeast.com/canceled-police-show-live-pd-edited-footage-after-cop-requests-records-show

apparently in the review... of the 47 law enforcement agencies that participated in the show, 20 of those were allowed to review the footage before it aired, and 13 of those agencies asked the show to not broadcast certain encounters. That is where the edits took place.. if a full segment was deemed to make officers look bad, it was cut. that's still editing to tell the story they want to show.

and while Live PD seemed willing to toss out footage that made police departments look bad, it was an uphill battle for the people they encountered in those videos. LIVE PD was a horrible show that exploited people.

Brett
04-08-2021, 07:55 PM
Whenever I see or hear "Sheriff's Department" in regards to Oklahoma county my OCD flares up. :cuss2: It is the Sheriff's Office. Not to be confused with Police Department. Technically the sheriff is an elected official whereas a police chief is appointed.

bombermwc
04-09-2021, 06:37 AM
If you're that concerned about how fast an officer shows up, then you should be equally concerned about how fast a paramedic or a fireman can show up as well.

When we say overpoliced, it's the overlapping coverage from different sources, the main one being the sheriff. They are NOT going to respond to an OKC domestic call...hell, can they even hear it on the radio? But they will be patrolling looking for traffic bullcrap. So is it a better use of their time to write speeding tickets or to man their jail? Do they need all those specialized military surplus vehicles they have stored in MWC? Is it really a good investment to buy the armored vehicle to use in tornado areas? They haven't used it for squat. You're not going to drive it out to a tornado area and just run over things, you might run over people too. And then you have to spend the other 99.9% of the time maintaining it in the name of "preparedness". It's just playing on people's emotions to give them a false feeling of whatever. That kind of misuse of funds is that this department has had in the past.

MikeLucky
04-09-2021, 10:31 AM
right... except that apparently the agencies got final cut....

https://www.thedailybeast.com/canceled-police-show-live-pd-edited-footage-after-cop-requests-records-show

apparently in the review... of the 47 law enforcement agencies that participated in the show, 20 of those were allowed to review the footage before it aired, and 13 of those agencies asked the show to not broadcast certain encounters. That is where the edits took place.. if a full segment was deemed to make officers look bad, it was cut. that's still editing to tell the story they want to show.

and while Live PD seemed willing to toss out footage that made police departments look bad, it was an uphill battle for the people they encountered in those videos. LIVE PD was a horrible show that exploited people.

All of the footage discussed in that article only cover the footage that was recorded for gap usage during the live show. While the show was on live the majority of it was live feed and they only used this gap footage when all the live crews were in between stops and when there was nothing happening to show live. When you watch the show you would see that most of the stops and or incidents were just mundane run of mill things that would never air or make an editing cut on a produced cut.

And, many of the episodes showed these police officers helping people in need, de-escalation of difficult scenes, and cops going out of their way to handle domestic incidents with care and grace. If this show taught us anything, it's that cops do lot of things most people wouldn't want to do and they actually showed far more patience than I think most people would give some of the people they encountered.

jedicurt
04-09-2021, 12:49 PM
All of the footage discussed in that article only cover the footage that was recorded for gap usage during the live show. While the show was on live the majority of it was live feed and they only used this gap footage when all the live crews were in between stops and when there was nothing happening to show live. When you watch the show you would see that most of the stops and or incidents were just mundane run of mill things that would never air or make an editing cut on a produced cut.

And, many of the episodes showed these police officers helping people in need, de-escalation of difficult scenes, and cops going out of their way to handle domestic incidents with care and grace. If this show taught us anything, it's that cops do lot of things most people wouldn't want to do and they actually showed far more patience than I think most people would give some of the people they encountered.

oh i give most cops a lot of respect for what we ask them to do that they shouldn't have to do in the first place... it's why i want to take some of the load off of them, and that to people better suited for those calls.

but you are right. i never saw an episode of LIVE PD... it's probably the same reason i don't watch any reality TV... it's one of two things... it's either scripted to the point that there is no reality left, or it's exploitation for the sake of hoping for good ratings. and both of those to me scream despicable tv.