https://kfor.com/news/caught-on-camera-delivery-driver-blocked-into-neighborhood-by-hoa-president/

Ashford Hills is just north of Kilpatrick Turnpike and east of Boulevard/Eastern.

Most would identify this area as Edmond but it's technically OKC; it's a gated community and the homeowner had provided the gate code for the delivery.

This has been picked up by several national news services.

Another great reason to not live in an HOA - tyrannical control of your property and guests by your neighbors. No thanks. If I have a new refrigerator delivered it is none of the business of my neighbors.

Idiots!

I'm white, male, I'm in my 60's now, about 5 years ago I was working for a home health care pharmacy. I had to go to a patients home, sort of out in the country but not the sticks, east of Tinker and near where I-40 & I-240 split.

I couldn't find the address, figured I'd gone past it (ding dong head people too chicken **** to put out house numbers because "we like our privacy--idiots).

I turned onto a road that looked like it had 5 or 6 houses on it so that I could turn around and go back the other way. Suddenly somebody in a jacked up diesel truck towing a big utility trailer roared up and blocked me. The damn fool redneck jumped out, ran up to my door with a baseball bat in his hand and started yelling at me asking why I was there. I told him I was just trying to turn around so I could find my patients home. The moron demanded to know their name, I replied I couldn't tell him because of HIPPA laws, he had no idea what that meant.

He kept yelling at me and demanding to know why I was there. I rolled my window down a bit and POINTED to the big sign on my drivers door and asked him if he could read it. It was the name of a very large company well know, and I guarantee you'd know the name, and said again I was going to the patients house but I couldn't find it.

Moron redneck took another step closer to my door, I put my cell phone camera on him and told him I was recording him and he came one step closer with that bat in his hand that I would be forced to defend myself.

I mean, this guy blew his top, totally out of control of himself.

After a bit more yelling, he got back in his truck, yelled at me that they had too many breakins and burglaries and said he never wanted to see me again Then he moved his truck and trailer so that I was able to leave and GTFO of there.

So, what I'm saying is, even though I'm white and into the geezer stage, I can understand and appreciate what this young black man went through. He did the right thing, he stayed in the vehicle, kept his cool, and recorded the event, even doing a live facebook airing. Good for him.

I think, in my opinion, was that he should have said he was making a delivery there and was done and leaving.

It sounds like this David Stewart guy doesn’t like to party.

I saw this on TLO and still can't comprehend how ridiculous this whole event is. What a complete embarrassment. Massive props to the delivery driver for maintaining his cool.

Another great reason to not live in an HOA - tyrannical control of your property and guests by your neighbors. No thanks. If I have a new refrigerator delivered it is none of the business of my neighbors.

Exactly! This is the main reason we decided not to buy a home in Heritage Hills. Their HOA is legendary for it's annoyance. We only picked the neighborhood in Edmond that we did because their HOA is voluntary and has zero power over home owners. I often don't play well with others, so an active HOA was out of the question.

I realize for many, the simple fact the nosey neighbor (being kind) is white and delivery driver is black means this is race motivated. I personally don't know that it was. I think this neighbor would have been equally as jerky to a white driver too. I've just encountered far too many "HOA Presidents" or officers that would get up into anyone's business with little provocation. I commend the driver for not making this blatantly about race. But I totally understand if he did/does think it is about race, as I can't see this specifically from his perspective. I just think Dave Stewart is probably a consummate ass regardless of your race.

No wonder Annie Lennox doesn't hang with him anymore.
As far as to whether or not is was about race, I wonder if any caucasian delivery drivers will step forward to claim this idiot accosted them as well.

I realize for many, the simple fact the nosey neighbor (being kind) is white and delivery driver is black means this is race motivated. I personally don't know that it was. I think this neighbor would have been equally as jerky to a white driver too. I've just encountered far too many "HOA Presidents" or officers that would get up into anyone's business with little provocation. I commend the driver for not making this blatantly about race. But I totally understand if he did/does think it is about race, as I can't see this specifically from his perspective. I just think Dave Stewart is probably a consummate ass regardless of your race.

I think this is fair take. I think race had something to do with it, but not the full story. It definitely, (IMO), stoked the flames a bit. If he was the president of the HOA, why didn't he just access the gate logs (I am sure they are electronically stored somehow), call the homeowner and say "hey, I noticed a suspicious vehicle, a big truck, in the neighborhood that used your code to get in - is everything okay?". That would have ended things without any fuss or drama. And would have kept this asshat out of the national news.

I also think the "security" of gated HOA's is theater at best. When I was a Lyft/Uber driver I was amazed at how easy it was to get into gated neighborhoods, with or without a code. One very affluent gated HOA in N OKC has a security guard posted, I rolled my window down and said "I drive for Uber, I'm picking a passenger up at 1234 N. Default Suburban Brooke Rd." he nodded and opened the gate and returned to his movie on his iPad. I could have used Google Maps to find any address in the neighborhood and had just said it and he wouldn't have been the wiser. It's comical to me to think gates and keypads will keep crooks out. Anyone with any bit of street smarts (which most criminals possess) can bypass it, or flat out lie to let someone else in. You could get a job working at a pizza delivery joint, and by the end of the week have a dozen different access codes to various neighborhoods. I used to drive in Norman quite a bit, and I knew the codes to several apartment complexes. It's a false sense of security and not worth the confrontation.

I wouldn’t call it a false sense of security as I’m sure there is some layer of security added but yeah if someone wants to get in they are getting in.

This situation makes me mad. I’m glad these guys are getting shamed. They should admit their mistake, be a man, and come out an apologize. It’s sucks when you work your ass off like the guy who was blocked only have people make your life harder.

Been in that Neighborhood many times. They just need a Guard Shack with security. Not Johnny Laws out stopping everybody.

Another great reason to not live in an HOA - tyrannical control of your property and guests by your neighbors. No thanks. If I have a new refrigerator delivered it is none of the business of my neighbors.

There's nothing wrong with hoa's in general. If tyrannical control is given to tyrannical people who try to enforce the guidelines to tyrannical ends, then you've got problems. The one l live in is very easy to work with as long as you aren't a maverick. If you are, you don't need to be in a HOA.

I think this is fair take. I think race had something to do with it, but not the full story. It definitely, (IMO), stoked the flames a bit. If he was the president of the HOA, why didn't he just access the gate logs (I am sure they are electronically stored somehow), call the homeowner and say "hey, I noticed a suspicious vehicle, a big truck, in the neighborhood that used your code to get in - is everything okay?". That would have ended things without any fuss or drama. And would have kept this asshat out of the national news.

To me, the most bizarre part is that the driver (regardless of race) wasn't in some old pickup slowly driving about acting suspicious. He was in uniform driving a traditional delivery truck. I'd imagine the people living in that area get appliances, big screen TV's and gaudy furniture delivered all the time. I wonder if this guy has a history of overstepping and using the HOA as validation.

The most he should have done IMO was take a photo of the truck and tag as it left. If someone reported a crime, he could say "Hey, I took a pic of an unmarked delivery truck early today, take a look." Done.

There's nothing wrong with hoa's in general. If tyrannical control is given to tyrannical people who try to enforce the guidelines to tyrannical ends, then you've got problems. The one l live in is very easy to work with as long as you aren't a maverick. If you are, you don't need to be in a HOA.


Problem I've encountered is that usually the most reasonable and sane within the neighborhood don't want to be on the HOA. When we were looking at home near downtown, we looked over the bylaws and we'd have to pay and submit a request, just to paint or change our shutters. No thank you. Our current HOA, is voluntary and simply tries to keep the street lights paid for and on, entrances kept up and built a park to keep any additional sex offenders out.

It sounds like this David Stewart guy doesn’t like to party.
Or even talk. KFOR tried his number and it had been disconnected.
They went to his house and he wouldn't come to the door. But then if I were such an ass I wouldn’t either.

Not sure what kind of damages might be available for the Driver, but that sure seems like a textbook case of False Imprisonment.

... and built a park to keep any additional sex offenders out.

How does building a park help keep out sex offenders?

How does building a park help keep out sex offenders?

And why "additional"? Are there already some there?

How does building a park help keep out sex offenders?

Sex offenders cannot reside within so many feet of a public park.


And why "additional"? Are there already some there?

Yep.

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Douglas Dwayne Davis moved into our Edmond neighborhood awhile back. He was featured in this article in the Oklahoman (2/12/2019) 10 Oklahoma Men Listed in Database of Baptist Sex Abusers (https://oklahoman.com/article/5622688/oklahoma-men-listed-in-database-of-sex-abusers).

After he moved in, members of the neighborhood pooled their money and built a public park so that no additional sex offenders could move into the area. We call it Pedofile Park. He has kids of his own. I often wonder if he tells them "the neighbors built this park because daddy is a child rapist."

I've caught him violating his probation more than once, but Edmond PD won't do anything about it. He was falsely reporting his employer. He was self employed as a remodeler and going into homes with kids. His inlaws are well-to-do and now technically own the company he works for and list him as contact labor. Since then we've photographed him around kids. Edmond PD still has not acted.

Sex offenders cannot reside within so many feet of a public park.



Yep.

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Douglas Dwayne Davis moved into our Edmond neighborhood awhile back. He was featured in this article in the Oklahoman (2/12/2019) 10 Oklahoma Men Listed in Database of Baptist Sex Abusers (https://oklahoman.com/article/5622688/oklahoma-men-listed-in-database-of-sex-abusers).

After he moved in, members of the neighborhood pooled their money and built a public park so that no additional sex offenders could move into the area. We call it Pedofile Park. He has kids of his own. I often wonder if he tells them "the neighbors built this park because daddy is a child rapist."

I've caught him violating his probation more than once, but Edmond PD won't do anything about it. He was falsely reporting his employer. He was self employed as a remodeler and going into homes with kids. His inlaws are well-to-do and now technically own the company he works for and list him as contact labor. Since then we've photographed him around kids. Edmond PD still has not acted.

Ugh, not good. Interesting about the parks, did not know that, but makes sense, thx.

Yeah, Thanks for the info on the park.

These are the same nimbys who threw a fit about Warren Theatres Moving in down the street.

The definitely are a bunch of better than you kind of people, and I’m sure he had never been so offended that some lowly delivery guy didn’t bow down to his authority.

Not sure what kind of damages might be available for the Driver, but that sure seems like a textbook case of False Imprisonment.

Several lawyers I was with the other day were actually discussing this case and all thought there is very little chance he'd be charged with a crime and all said they'd love to take it to court and felt they'd win if representing the home owner in criminal court. They felt the chances of a civil filing were much better, and only because lawyers are already encouraging the driver to file. I personally think, that while his conduct is embarrassing, out of line and says a lot about him as a person, the law is still broad enough and his actions and words restrained enough that I imagine the law still gives him protection and at least an arguable defense in criminal or civil court. Would be interesting to see play out. *I'm so ready for the court to be open again to the public.

Once again Oklahoma is in the national news for ignorant, racist behavior. What is the deal with some Oklahomans? lack of education, no christian values, poverty? just what is the Psyche of the populous of a State that seems to PRIDE ITSELF on utter ignorance? No wonder, the State is labeled as it is in so many negative terms. Really disheartening to a native seeing this from a distance, Wow just Wow

It has to be said that in the modern age, not only do things like now get recorded and made accessible to all, but the resulting backlash exacts its own type of punishment.

Sometimes that can be extreme, but at the very least it serves as a deterrent for anyone who wants to take the law into their own hands and/or mistreat others.

Often social pressure is what changes behavior, not just the courts and laws.

Several lawyers I was with the other day were actually discussing this case and all thought there is very little chance he'd be charged with a crime and all said they'd love to take it to court and felt they'd win if representing the home owner in criminal court. They felt the chances of a civil filing were much better, and only because lawyers are already encouraging the driver to file. I personally think, that while his conduct is embarrassing, out of line and says a lot about him as a person, the law is still broad enough and his actions and words restrained enough that I imagine the law still gives him protection and at least an arguable defense in criminal or civil court. Would be interesting to see play out. *I'm so ready for the court to be open again to the public.

I'm no lawyer but even if it just drags the "kidnappers" through the mud in court, the more l read about the case the more I realize something has to be done to stop this behavior. Unless there are circumstances l have not seen, it's a clear case of racism and false imprisonment.

I'm no lawyer but even if it just drags the "kidnappers" through the mud in court, the more l read about the case the more I realize something has to be done to stop this behavior. Unless there are circumstances l have not seen, it's a clear case of racism and false imprisonment.

"Racism" - what exactly is your measure of "racism"? Apparently if it involves a white person and a black person, then that automatically equates to racism. This, even though the jerk homeowner never once mentions race or anything stereotypical or remotely close to profiling based on race. The driver doesn't even mention race until the entire thing is over and the media spotlight is on him. I do commend the driver for how he handled the situation while being confronted by the jerk neighbor. Even the driver admitted he himself could have handled the situation differently and a little better. Regardless, he did just great and the neighbor looks like the ass he is. I just didn't see racism.

You claim it's a clear case of "false imprisonment" - do you even know if that specific law exists in Oklahoma and if so, what the elements of that crime are? If not (and I mean, before you go Googling it) then what are you basing this clarity on? TV shows? Popular mob mentality? What?

The customer homeowner even said this particular neighbor can be "overprotective of the neighborhood." So, this was not so out of the ordinary for this home owner. Nothing was said about him overreacting regularly based on race. He seems like just a jerk nosey neighbor.

We certainly need a lawyer to chime in on what rights the HOA actually have to stop and interrogate people within the neighborhood. Technically the HOA owns the right of way in the neighborhood so it is private property... but does that equate to legally being able to stop someone?

While part of my mind goes straight to racism another part goes to really organized HOAs, especially those in gated communities having their fair share of zealots. And it’s not new. In my 20s to early 30s, ‘77 to about ‘93 or ‘94 I was a residential electrician that specialized in service work. I’m blessed with an ability to figure out why things that should work don’t and how ti fix them. There were a few gated communities that I hated getting sent to because we almost always got hassled by someone thinking we shouldn’t be there. And at that time I was a skinny, geeky white guy.

"Racism" - what exactly is your measure of "racism"? Apparently if it involves a white person and a black person, then that automatically equates to racism. This, even though the jerk homeowner never once mentions race or anything stereotypical or remotely close to profiling based on race. The driver doesn't even mention race until the entire thing is over and the media spotlight is on him. I do commend the driver for how he handled the situation while being confronted by the jerk neighbor. Even the driver admitted he himself could have handled the situation differently and a little better. Regardless, he did just great and the neighbor looks like the ass he is. I just didn't see racism.

You claim it's a clear case of "false imprisonment" - do you even know if that specific law exists in Oklahoma and if so, what the elements of that crime are? If not (and I mean, before you go Googling it) then what are you basing this clarity on? TV shows? Popular mob mentality? What?

The customer homeowner even said this particular neighbor can be "overprotective of the neighborhood." So, this was not so out of the ordinary for this home owner. Nothing was said about him overreacting regularly based on race. He seems like just a jerk nosey neighbor.

Chill out bbates! First, l said l was no lawyer. Second, you are burying your head in the sand if you think this would have happened if the delivery guy was white. Third, for someone so involved in sexual crimes, l'm quite suprised to see you make this defense.

Whether racist words were spoken or not, and unless there are details that have not been reported, the delivery man was stopped because he was not a white man.

Look at my posting history. I'm the last person in the world to cry racism or sexism or snowflakism. Plain and simple, if the delivery guy was prevented from leaving and the HO assn. guy had what appears to be no evidence or authority of anything to detain the delivery guy and prevented him from leaving, that's the textbook definition. Now, if there are more nuances than that I'll leave it to the courts.

Chill out bbates! First, l said l was no lawyer. Second, you are burying your head in the sand if you think this would have happened if the delivery guy was white. Third, for someone so involved in sexual crimes, l'm quite suprised to see you make this defense.

Whether racist words were spoken or not, and unless there are details that have not been reported, the delivery man was stopped because he was not a white man.

Look at my posting history. I'm the last person in the world to cry racism or sexism or snowflakism. Plain and simple, if the delivery guy was prevented from leaving and the HO assn. guy had what appears to be no evidence or authority of anything to detain the delivery guy and prevented him from leaving, that's the textbook definition. Now, if there are more nuances than that I'll leave it to the courts.

I honestly don't see where I'm the one who needs to "Chill Out." Calling someone racist is pretty serious and can have a lot of consequences. As such, it shouldn't be taken lightly and should at least be backed up with real evidence.

This is NOT real evidence.....

"...burying your head in the sand if you think this would have happened if the delivery guy was white."

" ...the delivery man was stopped because he was not a white man."

Please feel free to clarify how your apparent definition of racism consists of anything more than; if a white individual is a jerk to a minority, then that makes them racist. Do you really not think that some people are just like that with most everyone (or at least those they see as subordinates), regardless of race? Do you believe the reverse to be true? Any time a minority is a jerk to a caucasian, then that minority is a racist? Or, do you only apply that logic to one race? And if so, then what does that make you?

Those racist racists were obviously racist with their racist actions. And they should be in jail. If it had been a white delivery driver being prevented from leaving a black neighborhood by black people the black people would have been taken to jail.

That angry mofo was dripping with fear of a black man in a truck. Anyone who goes out of their way to move into a gated community is probably riding on a bit of fear.

I honestly don't see where I'm the one who needs to "Chill Out." Calling someone racist is pretty serious and can have a lot of consequences. As such, it shouldn't be taken lightly and should at least be backed up with real evidence.

This is NOT real evidence.....

"...burying your head in the sand if you think this would have happened if the delivery guy was white."

" ...the delivery man was stopped because he was not a white man."

Please feel free to clarify how your apparent definition of racism consists of anything more than; if a white individual is a jerk to a minority, then that makes them racist. Do you really not think that some people are just like that with most everyone (or at least those they see as subordinates), regardless of race? Do you believe the reverse to be true? Any time a minority is a jerk to a caucasian, then that minority is a racist? Or, do you only apply that logic to one race? And if so, then what does that make you?

OK, first, I have in no way made any personal comments about you. You are going way out of line to do it to me. So cool it.

No, I don't believe the HO Assn. person would have detained a white man who was in, what I read was, a marked delivery van. Unless I have missed something about the situation, he profiled the delivery guy. Stopping the van, asking his intentions (or not stopping him at all and just following the delivery guy), then following him to the residence he was supposed to go to would have been the appropriate action, even for an aggressive watch person. Never, EVER, should the driver have been detained in any way.

Look, I'm the guy who was chastised on here for defending the OU Professors who dared to utter the "n" word as part of their classroom teaching so I'm not some woke, hair-bunned, social perfectionist out labeling everyone who doesn't meet my standards. There are some situations that just are what they appear to be.

Anyone who goes out of their way to move into a gated community is probably riding on a bit of fear.

generalize much

I honestly don't see where I'm the one who needs to "Chill Out." Calling someone racist is pretty serious and can have a lot of consequences. As such, it shouldn't be taken lightly and should at least be backed up with real evidence.

This is NOT real evidence.....

"...burying your head in the sand if you think this would have happened if the delivery guy was white."

" ...the delivery man was stopped because he was not a white man."

Please feel free to clarify how your apparent definition of racism consists of anything more than; if a white individual is a jerk to a minority, then that makes them racist. Do you really not think that some people are just like that with most everyone (or at least those they see as subordinates), regardless of race? Do you believe the reverse to be true? Any time a minority is a jerk to a caucasian, then that minority is a racist? Or, do you only apply that logic to one race? And if so, then what does that make you?

Well, I live in a gated neighborhood, so I take a bit of offense to that. I didn't build the gate. It was here when we fell in love with our house. I like that it keeps the door-to-door solicitors away. I guess I've found yet another thread on this forum where it's acceptable to use bullying and belittling to try and make a, albeit blunt, point. I've also experienced HOA members that were as zealous as this man. I don't know that I ever considered them racist. But I did consider them annoying.

I guess I've found yet another thread on this forum where it's acceptable to use bullying and belittling to try and make a, albeit blunt, point. .

It's called debate and if you don't want anyone else to comment on your posts and opinions then a discussion forum is probably not the place for you.

If you are going to keep bitching about this site, the choice of whether you post here or not is not going to be yours to make.

It's called debate and if you don't want anyone else to comment on your posts and opinions then a discussion forum is probably not the place for you.

If you are going to keep bitching about this site, the choice of whether you post here or not is not going to be yours to make.

So claiming everyone who lives in a gated neighborhood is riding on a bit of fear is debate? Calling people ignorant in other threads is debate? Not the way I was raised it wasn't. Plus, why is a conversation suddenly a debate? Why can it not just be a civil conversation? I never said I didn't want anyone else to comment. It's pretty clear I'm commenting on other's posts. I'm here to discuss in this discussion forum, but not to be talked down to.

So claiming everyone who lives in a gated neighborhood is riding on a bit of fear is debate? Calling people ignorant in other threads is debate? Not the way I was raised it wasn't. Plus, why is a conversation suddenly a debate? Why can it not just be a civil conversation? I never said I didn't want anyone else to comment. It's pretty clear I'm commenting on other's posts. I'm here to discuss in this discussion forum, but not to be talked down to.

There is a 'report' button on every post. If there are personal attacks, which is against our policy, report them.

But if people are merely disagreeing with you and you don't like that, tough toenails.

I read most the posts here and you have said some controversial things and there was a predictable counter response. If you just want an echo chamber where everyone has the same, extreme point of view, there are plenty of other places on the Internet.

There is a 'report' button on every post. If there are personal attacks, which is against our policy, report them.

But if people are merely disagreeing with you and you don't like that, tough toenails.

I read most the posts here and you have said some controversial things and there was a predictable counter response. If you just want an echo chamber where everyone has the same, extreme point of view, there are plenty of other places on the Internet.

How in the world is my comment an extreme point of view? I merely said people who live in a gated neighborhood are not all doing it out of fear and that I've experience over zealous HOA members that I didn't think were racist. THAT is an extreme point of view to you?

How in the world is my comment an extreme point of view? I merely said people who live in a gated neighborhood are not all doing it out of fear and that I've experience over zealous HOA members that I didn't think were racist. THAT is an extreme point of view to you?

I'm not talking about this particular post and neither were you with your constant references to 'bullying'.

I'm not talking about this particular post and neither were you with your constant references to 'bullying'.

Then shouldn't you have addressed it in the appropriate post or thread? And actually I was referencing it in this thread. I even pointed out what comment I thought was bullying. In fact, didn't another member call out the same comment? Why was that comment not met with "tough toenails." I'm a big boy. I can handle the good old boys club that sticks together.

Maybe the gates were built to protect the general public from the people who live inside?