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The ER is an extremely expensive mechanism for doing this.

The cost of all this is going to be astronomical.

Both OSDH and OHN do not recommend going to the ER. They ask that you contact your primary care. In the poster's case, sounds like the PCP had a high level of suspicion given the reported symptoms, and decided to treat as presumptive positive which is when the ED gets involved.
But it's a good point that given the high un- and under- insured rate in Oklahoma, many do not have a PCP.

I belong to a social media group for restaurants and bars in OKC and almost everyone is reporting their business is way, way down.

Personally, I am not going to stop going out and I hope these businesses don't get decimated.
I wonder who is slow. I/we have been out every night this week and everywhere we’ve been has been a usual size crowd.

I wonder who is slow. I/we have been out every night this week and everywhere we’ve been has been a usual size crowd.

I think the key would be in specifically the volume change after the Thunder game the other night.. That was a watershed event for this whole situation nationally. I would agree that things were largely unchanged through last week - my wife and I went out to a place we don't frequent, so I can't judge the relative size of the crowd accurately, but by the time we left, it certainly seemed like business was brisk. I would be curious as to that level tonight (although today is rainy and last Friday was really nice).

Not necessarily an OKC thing, but at the national level the VA is suspending all new admissions to Spinal cord injury centers, and halting all visits to CLCs (Community Living Centers) and SCI centers.

I belong to a social media group for restaurants and bars in OKC and almost everyone is reporting their business is way, way down.

Personally, I am not going to stop going out and I hope these businesses don't get decimated.

Went to a popular Mexican restaurant yesterday for lunch that is normally very full. Maybe 1/3 full at 12:30. It was weird.

I was supposed to go to a concert at the Jones Assembly tonight but now everyone is trying to sell their tickets on the facebook page but no one is replying to people's posts. This is a show that had sold out before and released a couple of waves of waiting list tickets in the last several months and now no one wants to go. Strangely, the show is still on but people are just wanting them to cancel so they can get their money back because people feel obligated not to go at this point.

Went to a popular Mexican restaurant yesterday for lunch that is normally very full. Maybe 1/3 full at 12:30. It was weird.

I've heard that Chisholm Creek is just taking it in the teeth. Of course, that development was built with sustained $70 oil in mind. Not a lot of folks with big expense accounts running around town anymore.

I've heard that Chisholm Creek is just taking it in the teeth. Of course, that development was built with sustained $70 oil in mind. Not a lot of folks with big expense accounts running around town anymore.

Everything out there is pretty casual and mid-priced. Don't know why you'd assume why those places, in particular, are dependent on high oil prices.

At some point you need to decide which is more important, flattening the curve, or going out to eat trying to support businesses, workers or for other reasons. Going out to eat in particular is a bad idea for flattening the curve. The industry is known for people without sick leave and marginal income showing up and working while sick. Tough choices all around.

2015 article https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/10/19/449213511/survey-half-of-food-workers-go-to-work-sick-because-they-have-to

I was supposed to go to a concert at the Jones Assembly tonight but now everyone is trying to sell their tickets on the facebook page but no one is replying to people's posts. This is a show that had sold out before and released a couple of waves of waiting list tickets in the last several months and now no one wants to go. Strangely, the show is still on but people are just wanting them to cancel so they can get their money back because people feel obligated not to go at this point.

The Jones Assembly just sent out an email saying the Orville Peck concert tonight is postponed and will be rescheduled to a future date.

I belong to a social media group for restaurants and bars in OKC and almost everyone is reporting their business is way, way down.

Personally, I am not going to stop going out and I hope these businesses don't get decimated.

I'm not either as long as local virus cases don't spike. On Thursday, Stillwater Hospital denied a rumor that there was a Coronavirus patient there.

Thursday night I was quite glad that the Stillwater Jazz Band concert featuring KFOR's meteorologist Emily Sutton as special guest singer was not canceled. She can sure sing "Over The Rainbow" pretty. The conductor started off saying, "Wow, look at this. These are the bravest people in the world. And dumbest." Turnout was close to being packed in the 710 seat auditorium. Emily's husband, inlaws, and her mother from Chicago were there. The whole concert went pretty good.

Channel 9 is reporting that Mahogany in downtown OKC is closing temporarily for "deep cleaning and disinfection" after finding that one of its recent customers had tested positive for COVD19.

There was no specific word on the identity of the customer.

As a matter of pure conjecture on my part, I can't help but wonder if it was one of the Jazz players that has since tested positive. I've not heard of any OKC positives being reported (and understand that the Jazz players are being counted with Utah numbers).

People have are being tighter with their wallets also because their fearful of their economic future. They are somewhat justified in that fear. Shutting down hospitality, travel, and entertainment is taking a big chunk out of the economy.

Businesses can only pray and hope for life to get back to normal for so long before they have to start laying people off.

People have are being tighter with their wallets also because their fearful of their economic future. They are somewhat justified in that fear. Shutting down hospitality, travel, and entertainment is taking a big chunk out of the economy.

Businesses can only pray and hope for life to get back to normal for so long before they have to start laying people off.

I fall into this category. At the current trajectory I am 99% certain to be laid off in the next month, so I have cut all discretionary spending. I would love to go out and patronize businesses, but I would also like to keep my house if I am out of work.

I fall into this category. At the current trajectory I am 99% certain to be laid off in the next month, so I have cut all discretionary spending. I would love to go out and patronize businesses, but I would also like to keep my house if I am out of work.

Hope you're not laid off; however if you are adversely affected--prepare to look for your next job and take advantage of unemployment compensation.

IIRC you can draw 6 months (26 weeks) of benefits in a lifetime.

Coronavirus in Oklahoma: Frontier City temporarily suspends operations--Oklahoman, March 13, 2020.

Coronavirus in Oklahoma: Frontier City temporarily suspends operations--Oklahoman, March 13, 2020.

It sounds like Trump is going to shut this whole MF'er down in about 45 minutes.

If you don't have two weeks of the **** you need on hand, go to the store right now.

It sounds like Trump is going to shut this whole MF'er down in about 45 minutes.

If you don't have two weeks of the **** you need on hand, go to the store right now.

What do you mean by this?

What do you mean by this?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-national-emergency-on-coronavirus

What do you mean by this?

It sounds like he is going to go "Full Italy" and announce a two-week national quarantine beginning on Monday, the 16th.

The Jones Assembly just sent out an email saying the Orville Peck concert tonight is postponed and will be rescheduled to a future date.

Yep. Just saw it.

I know this is just speculation, but it just seems like there are going to end up being a lot more people infected by this thing than we realize.

I know this is just speculation, but it just seems like there are going to end up being a lot more people infected by this thing than we realize.

And for the vast majority, it's no more than a cold. Its the other 10% that pose the problems.

And for the vast majority, it's no more than a cold. Its the other 10% that pose the problems.

The problem is that when that "vast majority" get it that just increase the number of people in that 10%. That 10% can represent a vast number of people.

If you want to call me “Head in the sand” fine but until proven wrong this is how I choose to look at CV. I will not leave OKC for the foreseeable future. Oklahoma currently has a .0000006 percent infection rate, 0 percent fatality rate and a 33.33 percent recovery rate. If those numbers go down the drain then I’ll go with it but until then I’m going to be optimistic!!!

Regarding Italy and why flatten the curve here...reports from the front line of medical care from a few days ago. Harrowing.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonvanschoor/status/1237142891077697538

I belong to a social media group for restaurants and bars in OKC and almost everyone is reporting their business is way, way down.

Personally, I am not going to stop going out and I hope these businesses don't get decimated.

Last Friday the tap room was quite steady with business. Right now it's completely empty. Gotta be covid related fears.

Last Friday the tap room was quite steady with business. Right now it's completely empty. Gotta be covid related fears.

Precautions, not fear.

I fall into this category. At the current trajectory I am 99% certain to be laid off in the next month, so I have cut all discretionary spending. I would love to go out and patronize businesses, but I would also like to keep my house if I am out of work.

Update: I cut off all discretionary spending except for an insatiable desire for outback hot wings tonight. So I am shelling out the $11 for them.

This is going to decimate the service industry. 9PM on a Friday night. I am the only person in the building. A party of 5 was walking out when I was parking. Love or hate Outback, Fridays and Saturdays are always packed. Usually a wait.

Holy hell.

The Oklahoma State Health Department announced late Friday night that a woman in her 60s from Oklahoma County is the latest individual to test positive for COVID-19, the disease caused by coronavirus.

The woman had recently traveled to Florida and is now being kept in isolation in her home.--Oklahoman, March 13, 2020.

The Oklahoma State Health Department announced late Friday night that a woman in her 60s from Oklahoma County is the latest individual to test positive for COVID-19, the disease caused by coronavirus.

The woman had recently traveled to Florida and is now being kept in isolation in her home.--Oklahoman, March 13, 2020.

Still zero community transfer in OK. All 4 cases “brought” it with them so thats good news.

Still zero community transfer in OK. All 4 cases “brought” it with them so thats good news.

How many have it but display no symptoms?

That is literally the problem. I work international flights on a daily basis. I work with people who have direct contact with passengers from international flights. There's a decent chance *I have it* but I have no symptoms... so the old guy who touches the door handle after me gets it? That is how easy it is to spread this.

I would say within a week there is a 99% chance of you being within a few feet of someone who has it regardless if it affects them to the point of showing symptoms. Now you have it. How many people do you come into direct contact with in a day? 2? How many objects in a day do you touch within a few hours of someone else touching? Door handles, common use telephones in offices, the handle of a chair at the restaurant, an elevator button, the coffee pot at work. Etc.

I was an early discounter of this. But I am rapidly changing my mind. This is bad bad bad. Even if you display no symptoms you can have it as well as pass it on to someone more vulnerable.

At some point you need to decide which is more important, flattening the curve, or going out to eat trying to support businesses, workers or for other reasons. Going out to eat in particular is a bad idea for flattening the curve. The industry is known for people without sick leave and marginal income showing up and working while sick. Tough choices all around.

2015 article https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/10/19/449213511/survey-half-of-food-workers-go-to-work-sick-because-they-have-to

I am practicing social distancing to protect vulnerable citizens, but I’m still supporting local businesses via carry out/delivery as much as possible.

I know this is just speculation, but it just seems like there are going to end up being a lot more people infected by this thing than we realize.

Epidemiologists have predicted numbers up to 1.7 million (high end) infected in the U.S.

For people downplaying this, experts have we been very clear: it’s about to get really, really bad. We’re Italy with worse leadership. Stay safe, y’all.

Some churches have suspended services on Sunday.
Many have modified they way the handle the service as well. I think of the congregation and the older folks that may/could get it from others not knowing it, like Catch said above

I was craving Muu Shabu last night because of the cold rain and it was busier than I have ever seen it... On the drive back I was checking out restaurant parking lots and most looked to be pretty busy with the exception of a few buffets.

Regarding anyone that’s upset about the Utah jazz getting 58 tests, this is just another display how effed our society is. Not much different than people hoarding supplies unnecessarily, looking out for themselves. The jazz organization being tested has nothing to do with who they are and their socioeconomic status, it’s about tracing the virus. Geez! Think about it, we have an organization that is traveling around the country, coming into contact with many fans, local businesses, etc. And we know that two players are positive for the coronavirus. Doesn’t it make sense to test everybody that has come in contact with them and continue to try and flatten the curve. Quit worrying about yourself only. This is not about the haves and have nots, this is about the country and the world’s health.

How many have it but display no symptoms?

That is literally the problem. I work international flights on a daily basis. I work with people who have direct contact with passengers from international flights. There's a decent chance *I have it* but I have no symptoms... so the old guy who touches the door handle after me gets it? That is how easy it is to spread this.

I would say within a week there is a 99% chance of you being within a few feet of someone who has it regardless if it affects them to the point of showing symptoms. Now you have it. How many people do you come into direct contact with in a day? 2? How many objects in a day do you touch within a few hours of someone else touching? Door handles, common use telephones in offices, the handle of a chair at the restaurant, an elevator button, the coffee pot at work. Etc.

I was an early discounter of this. But I am rapidly changing my mind. This is bad bad bad. Even if you display no symptoms you can have it as well as pass it on to someone more vulnerable.

I am only putting this in perspective. To your point if the number infected is unknown then we can’t assume a death rate because every country and every state and every city is a different microsystem combined with differing medical care. OKC is more spread out than LA for example.

As for touching things well we lose 30,000 per year to the common flu and no one panics about that. We lose 32,000 people in traffic deaths per year should stop driving?

There are so many things can kill you. Like all things use caution and lets hope this passes with minimal deaths. I see no need to panic

As for touching things well we lose 30,000 per year to the common flu and no one panics about that. We lose 32,000 people in traffic deaths per year should stop driving?

We get vaccinated for the flu to minimize its effects. We have seat belts and air bags to minimize traffic deaths. All we are saying is do the things you can to flatten the curve so our health system doesn't get overwhelmed. Wash you hands often with soap and practice social distancing as much as you can.

I am only putting this in perspective. To your point if the number infected is unknown then we can’t assume a death rate because every country and every state and every city is a different microsystem combined with differing medical care. OKC is more spread out than LA for example.

As for touching things well we lose 30,000 per year to the common flu and no one panics about that. We lose 32,000 people in traffic deaths per year should stop driving?

There are so many things can kill you. Like all things use caution and lets hope this passes with minimal deaths. I see no need to panic

The death rate is still important and is as accurate as any other death rate: deaths per case of confirmed disease.

It’s the same thing for influenza, cancer, etc. We count known deaths from confirmed cases. People like to point out that the rate is probably lower because many people with mild COVID never get tested, but most people with influenza never get tested (and are not counted) as well.

I was craving Muu Shabu last night because of the cold rain and it was busier than I have ever seen it... On the drive back I was checking out restaurant parking lots and most looked to be pretty busy with the exception of a few buffets.

We experienced the opposite last night. Took the wife to do some couples Metal Forging in the Plaza District, dinner and dessert. For the first time, parking was not an issue at all. The pay lot was almost completely empty (we were a bit early a 5pm). But by the time we ate dinner (Mexican Radio), the restaurant only had a handful of tables with patrons. Walked by other restaurants after and they were all pretty dead at 7pm. Even noticed at least 4 parking spaces open right in front of the restaurants. Pie Junkie had two groups inside, but no wait for slices to go. All-in-all it was odd how quiet it was for a Friday night.

I had to go to Sam's at 39th & May to pick up a prescription this morning, and while there were still people trucking out TP, the store wasn't particularly busy and everything was well-stocked.

Here's hoping all the paranoid hoarders have already done their damage and normalcy is starting to be reestablished.

Got an email from the OKC Zoo: Closed through next week, at least.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/live-blog/coronavirus-updates-live-house-approves-coronavirus-aid-bill-n1158821/ncrd1158816#liveBlogHeader


Apple is closing all its retail stores outside China until March 27 in order to protect workers and help stop the spread of the coronavirus illness COVID-19, the company announced early Saturday. The company is also committing $15 million to help with the worldwide response to the crisis, CEO Tim Cook said.

I had to go to Sam's at 39th & May to pick up a prescription this morning, and while there were still people trucking out TP, the store wasn't particularly busy and everything was well-stocked.

Here's hoping all the paranoid hoarders have already done their damage and normalcy is starting to be reestablished.

I think they were all at the Edmond Sam's. We went there for 'the regular stuff' but quickly noticed every single cart had multiple bulk bags of TP an PT. Also, lots of dry goods. Zero eggs in stock. Good thing we have our own laying hens at home.

The death rate is still important and is as accurate as any other death rate: deaths per case of confirmed disease.

It’s the same thing for influenza, cancer, etc. We count known deaths from confirmed cases. People like to point out that the rate is probably lower because many people with mild COVID never get tested, but most people with influenza never get tested (and are not counted) as well.

China is part of rates and they cannot be trusted.

Its just too early to get good rates. Deaths are all we know for fact and its low considering the amount of panic. And no deaths in US to under 50 age. And half were in one elderly complex.

It seems most of America has shut down which will help a ton.

I hate Hoarders. What happened to these two morons cracked me up.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/he-has-17700-bottles-of-hand-sanitizer-and-nowhere-to-sell-them/ar-BB11blvS?ocid=spartandhp&fbclid=IwAR1kySPd0RFsrxVkrnPtrnCNP34_QwRcwAVIrJ9fB-QdelIdBbcXzGR-KYw

Went to a funeral this morning, one observation i did have....
I saw 4 different people in the 65+ age range coughing into their hands and not their sleeve. I saw people in the 30 or younger age range all coughing in their sleeve.

We have to teach the older people the proper way to cough.

double post.

France is basically shutting everything down. Meanwhile UK is taking a hard immunity approach

OKC memorial marathon postponed to October 4.

Yep. Just saw it.


Went to a funeral this morning, one observation i did have....
I saw 4 different people in the 65+ age range coughing into their hands and not their sleeve. I saw people in the 30 or younger age range all coughing in their sleeve.

We have to teach the older people the proper way to cough.

I just cough down the inside of my shirt.

Governor Stitt just posted him with his kids at the “packed” Collective. All these places should be closed, but I guess everyone can spread this and wait to close until it’s spread.

Social Distancing: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

Governor Stitt just posted him with his kids at the “packed” Collective. All these places should be closed, but I guess everyone can spread this and wait to close until it’s spread.

Social Distancing: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

He deleted it but there are plenty of screenshots out there.

OKC memorial marathon postponed to October 4.

I had a feeling that was coming. Glad it didn't get full on canceled this year.

Governor Stitt just posted him with his kids at the “packed” Collective. All these places should be closed, but I guess everyone can spread this and wait to close until it’s spread.

Social Distancing: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

Crazy to do that. We went to Patty Wagon today at lunch and sat as far away from others as we could, used napkins to touch anything that might've been touched by others (iced tea spigot, ketchup bottle, etc.), and washed our hands when we left.

What's interesting to think about, though, is the keypads on all the card readers/ATMs, your card itself, the things in stores that others have touched and put back, pens you use to sign credit card receipts (I used my own at Patty Wagon :)).....

I went to dinner at Frida last night (that place is just fantastic) and they were quite busy as was the rest of the Paseo.

With no sports on and almost every event cancelled, people don't have anything else to do but to go out to bars and restaurants.

It may be just a weekend thing, but people seem to be going out a lot.

I went to dinner at Frida last night (that place is just fantastic) and they were quite busy as was the rest of the Paseo.

With no sports on and almost every event cancelled, people don't have anything else to do but to go out to bars and restaurants.

It may be just a weekend thing, but people seem to be going out a lot.

What do you think the odds are those places will be under mandatory closer very soon?

The wife and I have made a deliberate decision to eat out at local restaurants during this time and to tip a bit more than usual. We've eaten out at least two meals a day for several days now.

I went to dinner at Frida last night (that place is just fantastic) and they were quite busy as was the rest of the Paseo.

With no sports on and almost every event cancelled, people don't have anything else to do but to go out to bars and restaurants.

It may be just a weekend thing, but people seem to be going out a lot.


I picked up a pizza at halls last night. Same thing. Went to ganache during off hours, full house too.

What do you think the odds are those places will be under mandatory closer very soon?

The wife and I have made a deliberate decision to eat out at local restaurants during this time and to tip a bit more than usual. We've eaten out at least two meals a day for several days now.

While I completely understand this, the main reason China and South Korea pulled out of this was a complete shutdown. I worry that that this type of activity (social distancing but still going out, etc.) will only make the situation worse in the long run