View Full Version : Downtown 26 Story Residential Tower + Hotel and Grocery Proposal Takes Step Forward



Tulsan
12-15-2019, 07:25 PM
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The Tulsa Performing Arts Center Trust owns the parking lot next to the PAC. This proposal has been floating out there for a long time but apparently it's still live and is moving forward if certain government incentives can be secured.

Based on the renderings, the tower appears to be 22 stories of living on a 4-story parking podium. There's also the hotel on the north side of the block and grocery on south side.

http://flco.com/company-properties/the-annex/

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/government-and-politics/city-looking-for-state-s-help-to-move-downtown-grocery/article_770ee321-aed0-578f-84e9-774fabd2c10e.html

This would be a major missing piece tying together the central business district and the Blue Dome. Fingers crossed ...

Plutonic Panda
12-16-2019, 05:52 AM
Man I hope that gets built! Good luck to you folks in Tulsa!

shavethewhales
12-17-2019, 11:49 AM
This is the only I'm really holding out hope for. Even more than the Santa Fe square deal that has also been in limbo for years. Watching the Davenport and WPX start to rise has been so cool. Would love to see another true tower come to Tulsa again. Heck, I might even be interested in a space.

Swake
09-20-2021, 04:41 PM
Flaherty & Collins has completed the purchase of the site from the PAC trust. The Tulsa World reports that the project remains pretty much the same as previously reported with a 240 unit apartment tower with 10,000 sq ft of retail space including a grocery store and a 450 space parking garage.

No announced construction date yet.

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/pac-trust-approves-sale-of-adjacent-parking-lot-for-mixed-use-project/article_ee9212b0-18bf-11ec-9c48-cbe47487af9a.html#tracking-source=home-breaking

BG918
09-20-2021, 08:47 PM
The TW article says late 2022 construction start. This and Santa Fe Square rising at the same time will really transform the Blue Dome district

BG918
09-21-2021, 11:08 AM
No longer a 26 story tower, looks like 10 stories for the apartments and 6 stories for the hotel. The grocery store is the biggest game changer for attracting more residential downtown. It looks like it has underground parking too.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/05/e051269c-2e45-57df-8328-805e13fea316/6149d55a3320b.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C637

Jake
09-21-2021, 12:16 PM
I know the “it’s better than what’s there now” mindset is prevalent in both cities and I’m happy for development that takes surface parking away, but going from a 26 story tower to an nondescript apartment building is heartbreaking and hilarious.

Edit: I understand tall buildings don’t necessarily create lively, liveable cities and all that jazz. Its just jarring to see the before and after renderings.

Laramie
09-21-2021, 01:58 PM
A 26 story tower would have been a great boost to the already impressive Tulsa skyline.

Just want to mention some recent additions, on going projects & future project planned for Tulsa:


St. Francis Health plans $250m South campus expansion: https://www.hospitalmanagement.net/news/saint-francis-health-south-expands/

St. Francis Hospital Trauma Emergency Center Renovation and Expansion: https://manhattanconstructiongroup.com/cantera/Projects/saint-francis-hospital-trauma-emergency-center-renovation-expansion/

Oklahoma State University Health Science Center, Tulsa: https://schoolconstructionnews.com/2020/08/12/build-begins-on-oklahoma-state-university-health-sciences-building/

New VA Hospital under construction in downtown Tulsa: https://ktul.com/news/local/funding-approved-tulsa-va-hospital

There are a number of projects planned for Tulsa comparable to those we see on the OKCTalk.com site. Again, Kudos to Oklahoma's two largest MSAs. They account for the majority of new, renovation and planned projects for Oklahoma.

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PhiAlpha
09-21-2021, 09:55 PM
I know the “it’s better than what’s there now” mindset is prevalent in both cities and I’m happy for development that takes surface parking away, but going from a 26 story tower to an nondescript apartment building is heartbreaking and hilarious.

Edit: I understand tall buildings don’t necessarily create lively, liveable cities and all that jazz. Its just jarring to see the before and after renderings.

Sign of the times. It’s one thing to propose something and a completely different one to find and build it 6-8 years later.

I always thought the 26 story tower was a stretch. I’d much rather see those apartments and hotel rooms spread out through downtown via the continued of renovating abandoned buildings and building low to mid-rises in the ocean of parking lots around downtown. A 26 story apt complex wouldn’t be the best development. for downtown Tulsa right now.

Plutonic Panda
09-21-2021, 10:05 PM
Why would a 26 storey tower not be the best for downtown Tulsa right now?

BG918
09-22-2021, 06:40 AM
Agree a 26 story tower would be nice but I honestly care more about infilling parking lots and creating more pedestrian activity downtown. This fills a huge hole with not only midrise housing but also a boutique hotel (Origin, a new entrant to the Oklahoma market) and a much-needed grocery store.

PhiAlpha
09-22-2021, 08:04 AM
Why would a 26 storey tower not be the best for downtown Tulsa right now?

Because it would be better for the health of downtown right now to spread them out by continuing to renovate old buildings into apartments/hotels and integrate them into low rise developments that are needed to start eating into the massive amount of surface parking. There isn’t enough demand right now for that and a 26 story apartment tower.

I’m not really even sure it would be the best thing for OKC either but it seems, at least, that OKC has already utilized most of its historic building stock and doesn’t have nearly as many large, contiguous empty lots in and around the CBD so something like that would make more sense there.

dankrutka
09-22-2021, 09:05 AM
There are so many empty lots to develop in downtown Tulsa that I don't think height is necessary at all. Quality infill is just so important. Tulsa would probably be better off with a lot of 4-8 story developments than more towers in a general sense. While there's nothing inspiring about the apartments, the grocery store and infill on this lot are game changers. This will make downtown more desirable for the next development.

Jake
09-22-2021, 01:26 PM
It’s a miracle the WPX (or whatever it’s called now) building ended up anywhere remotely close to its rendering.

Excited for the grocery and hotel, underwhelmed by the Staybridge Suites looking apartment complex.

formerly405Tulsan
09-22-2021, 04:02 PM
Saw where they said the grocery store is going to be a tenant with "about 80 locations". That rules out Reasors; maybe a sprouts or fresh market or natural grocers?

Swake
09-22-2021, 04:12 PM
Saw where they said the grocery store is going to be a tenant with "about 80 locations". That rules out Reasors; maybe a sprouts or fresh market or natural grocers?

It's most likely Homeland. Very meh, but it's a store.

formerly405Tulsan
09-22-2021, 04:13 PM
It was an interview on the news where I heard that FYI.

formerly405Tulsan
09-22-2021, 04:14 PM
There aren't any homelands within an hour of tulsa though, and they left the market 15+ years ago. I can't see them coming back for this, idk.

unfundedrick
09-22-2021, 08:39 PM
It's most likely Homeland. Very meh, but it's a store.

Homeland has fewer than 40 locations so, if the "about 80 locations" is correct, it's not Homeland.

Swake
09-22-2021, 08:46 PM
Homeland has fewer than 40 locations so, if the "about 80 locations" is correct, it's not Homeland.

Homeland owns more brands than just Homeland, parent HAC owns exactly 80 stores including locations in Sand Springs, Cleveland, Bartlesville and Muskogee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_(supermarket)

Plutonic Panda
09-22-2021, 08:58 PM
A Whole Foods would be ideal. Even better would be an HEB or Central Market. All they need to do is expand one state north for crying out loud.

PhiAlpha
09-22-2021, 09:01 PM
It's most likely Homeland. Very meh, but it's a store.

If it's like the semi-urban Homeland at 18th and Classen after they renovated it...it will be on par with Reasors and an extremely nice addition to downtown. I'd be all for it. Certainly beats the hell out of DGX which is the only other option downtown (though that's nothing against DGX because its actually really nice, especially given that it's a Dollar General brand).

Swake
09-22-2021, 09:14 PM
If it's like the semi-urban Homeland at 18th and Classen after they renovated it...it will be on par with Reasors and an extremely nice addition to downtown. I'd be all for it. Certainly beats the hell out of DGX which is the only other option downtown (though that's nothing against DGX because its actually really nice, especially given that it's a Dollar General brand).

Years ago I lived downtown in the area today called uptown a few blocks from Tulsa's previous downtown grocery store, the 11th and Denver Homeland. We called it, correctly so, Homelessland and tried to never shop in that very nasty store if we didn't have to. Homeland has a very negative reputation in Tulsa. Deservedly so and not just from the downtown location.

I get why Reasor's dropped out of this project, the Cherry St location is very nice and just a mile and half from downtown. They would have competed with themselves in a downtown location. Homeland would do well to choose a new brand.

formerly405Tulsan
09-23-2021, 12:22 PM
Homeland owns more brands than just Homeland, parent HAC owns exactly 80 stores including locations in Sand Springs, Cleveland, Bartlesville and Muskogee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_(supermarket)
I had no idea. I stand corrected!

G.Walker
09-23-2021, 12:29 PM
The new branding of Homeland Stores are really clean and modern. It will be good for this location if it ends up being Homeland.

PhiAlpha
09-27-2021, 01:48 PM
Years ago I lived downtown in the area today called uptown a few blocks from Tulsa's previous downtown grocery store, the 11th and Denver Homeland. We called it, correctly so, Homelessland and tried to never shop in that very nasty store if we didn't have to. Homeland has a very negative reputation in Tulsa. Deservedly so and not just from the downtown location.

I get why Reasor's dropped out of this project, the Cherry St location is very nice and just a mile and half from downtown. They would have competed with themselves in a downtown location. Homeland would do well to choose a new brand.

A rebrand isn't a terrible idea for them in general though I doubt anyone downtown will care or avoid it because any negative reputation here. There's nothing else outside of DGX down here and I'd venture to guess the majority of the downtown population wasn't here or were living somewhere other than downtown when that one was still open. I'd guess most of the population down here is between 18 and 35.

BG918
12-09-2022, 11:46 AM
Latest rendering showing Oasis Fresh Market which has signed on as the grocery store operator. A 6 story Origin Hotel and a 13 story apartment tower are the other parts of the overall development.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/19/b19f10f6-776e-11ed-bb6e-d3abde9782bf/6393402d494b1.image.jpg?resize=990%2C562

Bowser214
12-09-2022, 03:33 PM
Very Nice!

Swake
08-16-2023, 10:18 PM
Latest rendering showing Oasis Fresh Market which has signed on as the grocery store operator. A 6 story Origin Hotel and a 13 story apartment tower are the other parts of the overall development.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/19/b19f10f6-776e-11ed-bb6e-d3abde9782bf/6393402d494b1.image.jpg?resize=990%2C562

Permits have been issued and the site is now cordoned off. Looks like this is starting construction finally.

PhiAlpha
08-16-2023, 11:23 PM
Permits have been issued and the site is now cordoned off. Looks like this is starting construction finally.

Hell yeah! I guess I need to walk over there. Haven't walked that way in a few weeks.

BG918
08-17-2023, 07:54 AM
Permits have been issued and the site is now cordoned off. Looks like this is starting construction finally.

I drove by earlier and still saw cars in the lot. There might be some utility work starting but they haven’t officially started construction yet.

shavethewhales
08-17-2023, 08:54 AM
This is huge for us. Biggest Tulsa development project in awhile. Having a downtown grocery will be awesome, not to mention another big shot in the arm for residents and hotel guests that will boost business. Visually it will be very impactful as this was a huge glut of surface parking that will now be urban fabric.

Swake
08-17-2023, 09:41 PM
This is huge for us. Biggest Tulsa development project in awhile. Having a downtown grocery will be awesome, not to mention another big shot in the arm for residents and hotel guests that will boost business. Visually it will be very impactful as this was a huge glut of surface parking that will now be urban fabric.

It's not the biggest project in awhile. It's about the same size as the Western Supply project that just started construction. It's not as big a project as Santa Fe Square down the street, that one is just taking years to complete, but finally is nearly done. It's also not nearly as much money as the OSU Medical Center expansion.

shavethewhales
08-18-2023, 07:27 AM
^I guess it's my opinion, but it feels like the biggest project in awhile based on it's impact to the surrounding area. Santa Fe is indeed larger, but since it has been done across so many years and in several parts it feels like it was actually several projects on the same block. I'm also still salty about how much it got value engineered down from the original proposals. Western Supply is an awesome and large project but it is serving a relative niche of workforce housing. Massively important, but I'm not sure how much transformation is going to take place in that area considering the jail and homeless services are grouped around there.

This project is going to change the calculations people make when they decide if they want to live downtown and add a ton of units at the same time. We'll boost demand for restaurants and amenities downtown a good amount, hopefully bringing in some fresh life to our night and entertainment scenes.

Also, FYI, we may have gotten ahead of ourselves. The lot is open again so they may have been doing a quick survey or something else earlier this week. They have indeed filed for permits however, and the city portal shows a review date later this month on a few items. If they get approval, I would think dirt could begin moving next month on utilities and setup items.

PhiAlpha
08-18-2023, 08:23 AM
^I guess it's my opinion, but it feels like the biggest project in awhile based on it's impact to the surrounding area. Santa Fe is indeed larger, but since it has been done across so many years and in several parts it feels like it was actually several projects on the same block. I'm also still salty about how much it got value engineered down from the original proposals. Western Supply is an awesome and large project but it is serving a relative niche of workforce housing. Massively important, but I'm not sure how much transformation is going to take place in that area considering the jail and homeless services are grouped around there.

This project is going to change the calculations people make when they decide if they want to live downtown and add a ton of units at the same time. We'll boost demand for restaurants and amenities downtown a good amount, hopefully bringing in some fresh life to our night and entertainment scenes.

Also, FYI, we may have gotten ahead of ourselves. The lot is open again so they may have been doing a quick survey or something else earlier this week. They have indeed filed for permits however, and the city portal shows a review date later this month on a few items. If they get approval, I would think dirt could begin moving next month on utilities and setup items.

Yeah I definitely agree. It feels like it's bigger than all of those because it bridges the gap between downtown and the blue dome and eliminates the massive parking crater/barrier between the two. Santa Fe Square is important but really is just more infill in the Blue Dome and Western Supply is more infill on the far north end of the Brady which is great but just not nearly as impactful.

dankrutka
08-18-2023, 11:14 AM
Is there a good place to Sante Fe Square updates/images?

BG918
08-18-2023, 12:16 PM
Is there a good place to Sante Fe Square updates/images?

This is fairly recent with the multifamily under construction next to the completed office tower/garage. The office tower is 100% leased/occupied. The Annex is one block west of Santa Fe Square

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKzXtLEmxsfh-9g5Q3-uxwAVc20VDIOtTfug&usqp=CAU

BG918
09-19-2023, 07:19 AM
Unfortunately this project is now dead. Flaherty & Collins was not able to close on the property and the PAC Trust terminated their agreement

https://tulsaworld.com/news/local/business/downtown-development-next-to-pac-nixed-for-now-by-board/article_e9b5fb3a-563e-11ee-925d-f735eb274f34.html#tracking-source=home-top-story