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SoonerQueen
08-03-2019, 01:53 AM
I am amazed at how many dispensaries we have for medical marijuana. We have 4 within two blocks and another one is going in. I'd rather see new restaurants going in.

BBatesokc
08-03-2019, 06:02 AM
I think this is pretty common in state's when the legalization first goes into effect.

I recall going to Colorado and the streets in some areas were lined with dispensaries - and they have recreational use. However, you go down those same streets today and many of those locations are now out of business. That's not to say that there are still not a lot of dispensaries around.

I imagine in the next year or so you'll see several of these dispensaries follow the same path.

TheTravellers
08-03-2019, 11:13 AM
I am amazed at how many dispensaries we have for medical marijuana. We have 4 within two blocks and another one is going in. I'd rather see new restaurants going in.

Why would you rather see new restaurants? Is there crime at these dispensaries? Are there undesirable people hanging around them?

They're regular businesses employing people and paying taxes, and unless they're a public nuisance, who cares how many there are... I'd rather see dispensaries than a bunch of the sh*tty 7-11s and cigarette convenience stores that are scattered all over the metro.

And as Brian said, some will be "weed"ed out over time. :)

mugofbeer
08-03-2019, 11:31 AM
I think this is pretty common in state's when the legalization first goes into effect.

I recall going to Colorado and the streets in some areas were lined with dispensaries - and they have recreational use. However, you go down those same streets today and many of those locations are now out of business. That's not to say that there are still not a lot of dispensaries around.

I imagine in the next year or so you'll see several of these dispensaries follow the same path.

This is pretty much correct. One major difference in Colorado is that individual communities can prohibit shops entirely. I also believe the spacing between them and schools/residential areas is more in Denver. This and general demographics has tended to group them along Colfax and Broadway but there are some scattered shops elsewhere. The main problem with them is since they are not Federally legal and deal in cash, they are targets for robberies, general transient activity and, in the areas around them, secondary drug deals to kids. Otherwise, they are no different than 7-11s.

Pete
08-03-2019, 11:39 AM
Keep in mind that because Oklahoma has legalized medical cannabis but not full recreational use (like Colorado and California), you can't even enter a dispensary without a patient license.

In that respect, we're quite different.


There will absolutely be a shake-out which will turn into an on-going thing. The industry here is still rapidly growing; more than 160K patient licenses have already been issued and we are really just getting started. More than 1,700 dispensary licenses have been issued as well.

mugofbeer
08-03-2019, 11:52 AM
Keep in mind that because Oklahoma has legalized medical cannabis but not full recreational use (like Colorado and California), you can't even enter a dispensary without a patient license.

In that respect, we're quite different.


There will absolutely be a shake-out which will turn into an on-going thing. The industry here is still rapidly growing; more than 160K patient licenses have already been issued and we are really just getting started. More than 1,700 dispensary licenses have been issued as well.

Its inevitable medical pot will go up for a vote of full recreational use. It took about 2 years for this to happen in Colorado. I expect it will be longer in OK, but l still think it is inevitable.

Pete
08-03-2019, 12:01 PM
Its inevitable medical pot will go up for a vote of full recreational use. It took about 2 years for this to happen in Colorado. I expect it will be longer in OK, but l still think it is inevitable.

Not so sure.

The only real difference is needing a patient license, which is easily obtained.

I think it's more likely we'll wait for the federal laws to change.

BBatesokc
08-03-2019, 12:51 PM
The thing I don't like about the medical license aspect is that (at least based in my limited understanding) is that it creates a far more trackable record of those purchasing marijuana and I'm skeptical on how that database could be used in the future. This is why I prefer recreation use legalization and why I drove to Colorado when I was using THC for medical purposes.

Pete
08-03-2019, 12:52 PM
^

It's also a barrier to people who are poor or live in areas without doctors who can provide the license.

It's about $200 all-in to go through the process and that's not a small amount.

I just hate any barrier to anyone getting medicine and healthcare.

Mel
08-03-2019, 01:23 PM
I read an article, about three days ago, about how high the price of medical cannabis is in OK. It had a nice chart to compare with. Can not find it at all now. There is a financial barrier to the use of this product. The Veteran discount helps, but not much.

Pete
08-03-2019, 01:48 PM
Prices will come down.

There has been an undersupply of product because it's taken a while to get the first grows complete. But lots of growers are now cranking.

Bill Robertson
08-03-2019, 02:20 PM
Not so sure.

The only real difference is needing a patient license, which is easily obtained.

I think it's more likely we'll wait for the federal laws to change.

Key word here is EASILY!!! Anybody can get a card.

Bill Robertson
08-03-2019, 02:25 PM
The thing I don't like about the medical license aspect is that (at least based in my limited understanding) is that it creates a far more trackable record of those purchasing marijuana and I'm skeptical on how that database could be used in the future. This is why I prefer recreation use legalization and why I drove to Colorado when I was using THC for medical purposes.The tracking aspect keeps me from even thinking about getting a card. I have to maintain federal clearance to have my job and I’m absolutely sure they can access the database. I had both hips replaced about a year ago after a couple years of misdiagnosis. I’m still in constant pain though not anywhere near the level that I was. I would love to try medical marijuana but it’s not happening until the federal government legalizes it.

TheTravellers
08-03-2019, 03:16 PM
Key word here is EASILY!!! Anybody can get a card.

If you have $200 in spare cash around, along with the time and resources to take a passport-type pic and fill out the online application (which some places will do for you, but that's usually a charge on top of the $100 most docs charge you just for the recommendation).

TheTravellers
08-03-2019, 03:20 PM
The tracking aspect keeps me from even thinking about getting a card. I have to maintain federal clearance to have my job and Iím absolutely sure they can access the database. I had both hips replaced about a year ago after a couple years of misdiagnosis. Iím still in constant pain though not anywhere near the level that I was. I would love to try medical marijuana but itís not happening until the federal government legalizes it.

I don't like tracking at all, be it for grocery/loyalty-type cards or databases of any sort, but I honestly don't think the MMJ patient database is connected to or searched by other agencies. If you go to the OMMA website and put in a patient's license number, the only thing that comes up is just "Yes, that number is valid" or "No, it's not valid". As far as accessing it on the back end, I don't think that's happening, and I think OMMA addressed that with the gun license/MMJ license controversy, and AFAIK, the OSBI doesn't search OMMA's database to find out if a current/pending gun license owner has an MMJ license, and the OMMA doesn't search anybody else's databases before issuing their license.

FighttheGoodFight
08-03-2019, 06:49 PM
I will say this as a positive. All the shops have gone in some pretty crappy looking places here in Norman. Now they are thriving businesses that have had their buildings completely revamped. I am happy about that!

Mel
08-03-2019, 07:32 PM
Found the chart I had mentioned earlier.

securityinfo
08-03-2019, 09:04 PM
I don't like tracking at all, be it for grocery/loyalty-type cards or databases of any sort, but I honestly don't think the MMJ patient database is connected to or searched by other agencies. If you go to the OMMA website and put in a patient's license number, the only thing that comes up is just "Yes, that number is valid" or "No, it's not valid". As far as accessing it on the back end, I don't think that's happening, and I think OMMA addressed that with the gun license/MMJ license controversy, and AFAIK, the OSBI doesn't search OMMA's database to find out if a current/pending gun license owner has an MMJ license, and the OMMA doesn't search anybody else's databases before issuing their license.

The " Unity" bill allows for this. A searchable database accessible by any law enforcement officer at any time is currently being created, and is probably done by now. This data will get out in the public sphere, there are no real safeguards to prevent it. "Uncle Grumpy" produced a lengthy podcast on this issue, and it is dead on correct. Sorry for harshing everyone's buzz on this :-)

And Pete, there is no regulation with respect to who can enter a dispensary. Just who can purchase.

BBatesokc
08-04-2019, 05:37 AM
Once you're in a database, you're in a database. How that database is utilized can change over time.

I don't want employers, the federal gov't, insurance providers, credit granting institutions, etc. to be able to access this sort of information. I don't use THC currently, but if my medical need arose again, I'd seek THC through a 3rd party or in a state that has legalized recreational use.

BBatesokc
08-04-2019, 06:06 AM
... And Pete, there is no regulation with respect to who can enter a dispensary. Just who can purchase.

That was my understanding. Well, beyond an age restriction. I was told though that many dispensaries have a policy requiring a medical card to enter - for liability reasons.

pw405
08-04-2019, 09:38 AM
I read an article, about three days ago, about how high the price of medical cannabis is in OK. It had a nice chart to compare with. Can not find it at all now. There is a financial barrier to the use of this product. The Veteran discount helps, but not much.

Rest assured, the prices quoted in that article are not what is paid on average! I've been to ~50 different locations in the metro, and everybody always has some form of sale, or just flatout lower prices in general. Paying $50 for 1/8th of an oz, with tax, puts the prices higher than blackmarket prices. While that may have been the case for the first few months of medical, it is certainly cheaper now.

I still find average edible prices to be very high around the metro. There's one store that has what I feel are fair prices.

TheTravellers
08-04-2019, 11:33 AM
The " Unity" bill allows for this. A searchable database accessible by any law enforcement officer at any time is currently being created, and is probably done by now. This data will get out in the public sphere, there are no real safeguards to prevent it. "Uncle Grumpy" produced a lengthy podcast on this issue, and it is dead on correct. Sorry for harshing everyone's buzz on this :-)

And Pete, there is no regulation with respect to who can enter a dispensary. Just who can purchase.

Can you quote the relevant section of HB2612 (the "unity" bill) that says that such a database is allowed/will be created?

What I can find is this, and it (especially the bolded part) doesn't jibe with what you're saying:

SECTION 7. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 427.7 of Title 63, unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:
A. The Authority shall create a medical marijuana use registry of patients and caregivers as provided under this section. The handling of any records maintained in the registry shall comply with all relevant state and federal laws including, but not limited to, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA).
B. The medical marijuana use registry shall be accessible to Oklahoma-licensed medical marijuana dispensaries to verify the license of a patient or caregiver by the twenty-four-character identifier.
C. All other records regarding a medical marijuana licensee shall be maintained by the Authority and shall be deemed confidential. The handling of any records maintained by the Authority shall comply with all relevant state and federal laws including, but not limited to, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA). Such records shall be marked as confidential, shall not be made available to the public and shall only be made available to the licensee, designee of the licensee, any physician of the licensee or the caregiver of the licensee. No personally identifiable information, as defined under HIPAA, shall be stored at the Department.
ENR. H. B. NO. 2612 Page 22
D. A log shall be kept with the file of the licensee to record any event in which the records of the licensee were made available and to whom the records were provided.
E. The Department shall ensure that all application records and information are sealed to protect the privacy of medical marijuana patient license applicants.

Pete
08-04-2019, 11:37 AM
Never said there was a law preventing people without licenses to enter a dispensary but happen to know many require it as their own policy.

The point I was trying to make is that you don't get people hanging out around OK dispensaries as you see at liquor stores, chiefly because if that ever starts to be a problem, they can just change access requires in a way that will screen out anyone without a license.

turnpup
08-04-2019, 11:40 AM
Couple of things I'm curious about: Are the licenses scanned at time of purchase, or just shown to the cashier? What about the purchases themselves? Is there any type of tracking of who buys what?

TheTravellers
08-04-2019, 11:44 AM
Couple of things I'm curious about: Are the licenses scanned at time of purchase, or just shown to the cashier? What about the purchases themselves? Is there any type of tracking of who buys what?

Licenses don't have barcodes, just a 24-character license number (which is alphabetic, IIRC), the employees put that into the OMMA system, which says if it's valid or not (that's it, literally a yes or no comes back from the website). And there might be tracking info at the dispensary with their POS system, but nothing ever goes back to OMMA about who purchases what.

turnpup
08-04-2019, 11:45 AM
Licenses don't have barcodes, just a 24-character license number (which is alphabetic, IIRC), the employees put that into the OMMA system, which says if it's valid or not (that's it, literally a yes or no comes back from the website). And there might be tracking info at the dispensary with their POS system, but nothing ever goes back to OMMA about who purchases what.

Thank you for the information!

Mel
08-04-2019, 02:03 PM
Licenses don't have barcodes, just a 24-character license number (which is alphabetic, IIRC), the employees put that into the OMMA system, which says if it's valid or not (that's it, literally a yes or no comes back from the website). And there might be tracking info at the dispensary with their POS system, but nothing ever goes back to OMMA about who purchases what.

Nice to know. I mostly go to the same shop. 15% off for Veterans.

jccouger
08-04-2019, 03:06 PM
I am amazed at how many dispensaries we have for medical marijuana. We have 4 within two blocks and another one is going in. I'd rather see new restaurants going in.

I have an idea for you:

Today, Go eat at any of the current restaurants in the area. There are quite a few of them, though i agree perhaps there could be more.

Now, tomorrow, I want you to go to a dispensary, smoke a little weed, and then go back to the same exact restaurant you went to today. It will be a completely new, perhaps even better, experience.

You are welcome.

securityinfo
08-04-2019, 04:21 PM
Can you quote the relevant section of HB2612 (the "unity" bill) that says that such a database is allowed/will be created?

What I can find is this, and it (especially the bolded part) doesn't jibe with what you're saying:

SECTION 7. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 427.7 of Title 63, unless there is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:
A. The Authority shall create a medical marijuana use registry of patients and caregivers as provided under this section. The handling of any records maintained in the registry shall comply with all relevant state and federal laws including, but not limited to, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA).
B. The medical marijuana use registry shall be accessible to Oklahoma-licensed medical marijuana dispensaries to verify the license of a patient or caregiver by the twenty-four-character identifier.
C. All other records regarding a medical marijuana licensee shall be maintained by the Authority and shall be deemed confidential. The handling of any records maintained by the Authority shall comply with all relevant state and federal laws including, but not limited to, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA). Such records shall be marked as confidential, shall not be made available to the public and shall only be made available to the licensee, designee of the licensee, any physician of the licensee or the caregiver of the licensee. No personally identifiable information, as defined under HIPAA, shall be stored at the Department.
ENR. H. B. NO. 2612 Page 22
D. A log shall be kept with the file of the licensee to record any event in which the records of the licensee were made available and to whom the records were provided.
E. The Department shall ensure that all application records and information are sealed to protect the privacy of medical marijuana patient license applicants.

Rather than work through it here, take a look at the linked video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwTEjawvvA0

The salient conversation begins at about 20:20.

TheTravellers
08-04-2019, 05:17 PM
Rather than work through it here, take a look at the linked video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwTEjawvvA0

The salient conversation begins at about 20:20.

OK, first of all, this is a discussion forum, so it would be preferable to "work through it here" so everybody won't have to screw around getting to 20:20, getting the relevant bill info, looking up the bill, etc.

Second, what they're talking about is not the "unity" bill, it's SB1030 (Section 4, paragraph C for those interested in looking it up themselves so you won't have to f*** around with the video).

Third, Pasternack (his guest) is not a lawyer, he's just a philosophy professor, so he's about as qualified as I am to interpret the law (I'm just a regular guy, not a lawyer either). He says the law requires the Dept. of Health to send the license database to a law enforcement computer system (that's pretty much verbatim). The law says this - "The State Department of Health shall make available all information displayed on medical marijuana licenses, as well as whether or not the license is valid, to law enforcement electronically through the Oklahoma Law Enforcement Telecommunications System." To me, it depends on how "shall make available" is interpreted by lawyers/courts (as to whether or not it means "required to make available" or "may make available"), of which we have a few on here, and I know that "shall" has been interpreted various ways throughout the years and differently in different jurisdictions, so it'd be nice to have a lawyer's view on this statement.

Fourth, section 4, paragraph B says this (emphasis mine): "B. The State Department of Health shall assist any law enforcement officer in the performance of his or her duties upon such request by the law enforcement officer or the request of other local officials having jurisdiction. Except for license information concerning licensed patients, as defined in Section 2 of Enrolled House Bill No. 2612 of the 1st Session of the 57th Oklahoma Legislature, the Department shall share information with law enforcement agencies upon request without a subpoena or search warrant." So it appears to me that if a law enforcement agency wants to get info about a patient without a subpoena or search warrant, they can't because of the bolded part. Paragraph C sounds to me like it's just clarifying the method by which the information will be shared, while Paragraph B is the meat of the matter.

Uncle Grumpy just ain't right - he then starts talking about cops wanting to search your car if your taillight is out, and "it'll be a hard one to fight". WTF? If you have MMJ on you or in your car and you're stopped for a broken taillight, and you have an MMJ license, there should be no possible prosecution for possession, right? So then at 24:00, Pasternack says a reasonable interpretation of SB1030 and HB2612 would be that the Dept. of Health would release the medical marijuana license database excluding what's explicitly protected, "so everything but the patient database". So if everything but the patient database can be released, then what's the problem?

They go on to say they think that after 8/29, when a cop pulls someone over and brings them up on their system, it'll say "Marijuana User" in big red letters if you have an MMJ card, and then the officer will do whatever they can to make sure you get a DUI or DWI just because you might have ingested some THC sometime in the past 60 days.

Pete, any way you can leverage someone on your Gazette THC beat to ask OMMA/OSDH to clarify this? I could do it myself by contacting Nicole Nash, OSDH Asst. General Counsel (Policy and Legal Inquiries), NicoleN@health.ok.gov, 405-271-9444, ext.56053 (got that info from the video), but it'd probably be better if a journalist did it instead of just some guy like me...

BBatesokc
08-04-2019, 06:43 PM
Tulsa World
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/marijuana/lawmaker-asks-for-delay-implementing-law-that-would-make-all/article_feca5618-5f63-5ae8-8d7c-ee9177489b18.html

TheTravellers
08-04-2019, 07:49 PM
Tulsa World
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/marijuana/lawmaker-asks-for-delay-implementing-law-that-would-make-all/article_feca5618-5f63-5ae8-8d7c-ee9177489b18.html

Good article, thanks! Hopefully someone at the state level will step in and fix this soon. And I totally agree with the part at the end saying that if the intent is for an officer to be able to verify the validity of a patient's license, all they have to do is go to the OMMA website, and surely cops have that sort of web access in their car, no need for the language in SB1030 to exist.

securityinfo
08-04-2019, 08:26 PM
Yeah, lots of "INAL" here. Same with those entrusted to interpret the law. When it comes to the database, it exists. The state employees that had to create it read SHALL as MUST. It contains all information on the form you send to Complia (the folks entrusted with running the licensing portal). I have direct personal knowledge. Fake news, I know. I suppose we we all have to wait and see what really happens here. The Tulsa World feature is pretty accurate. But I don't find it at all far-fetched that small town officers would use the process described in the video you have to "f*** around with" to view. As it stands, we have a law with very subjective interpretation on the books, and not much power on the patient side. Until this came up last week, no one was publicly giving a thought to providing law enforcement with all of the information. And here we are. As it stands, OKDOH will produce the export to OLETS on time and as the law is written. It would be fantastic if Pete can get OKDOH on the record stating that the process is on hold.

Good luck with trying to get a statement on the record from anyone at OKDOH.

TheTravellers
08-04-2019, 10:07 PM
Yeah, lots of "INAL" here. Same with those entrusted to interpret the law. When it comes to the database, it exists. The state employees that had to create it read SHALL as MUST. It contains all information on the form you send to Complia (the folks entrusted with running the licensing portal). I have direct personal knowledge. Fake news, I know. I suppose we we all have to wait and see what really happens here. The Tulsa World feature is pretty accurate. But I don't find it at all far-fetched that small town officers would use the process described in the video you have to "f*** around with" to view. As it stands, we have a law with very subjective interpretation on the books, and not much power on the patient side. Until this came up last week, no one was publicly giving a thought to providing law enforcement with all of the information. And here we are. As it stands, OKDOH will produce the export to OLETS on time and as the law is written. It would be fantastic if Pete can get OKDOH on the record stating that the process is on hold.

Good luck with trying to get a statement on the record from anyone at OKDOH.

Yeah, sadly I agree with you on pretty much all points. Very good article by the Tulsa World, and I really hope Pete and his staff can get some kind of follow-up going on this, much like they did with their Q&A feature they did with Melissa Miller back in Dec 2018. We did an impressive job rolling out MMJ in a quick timeframe, but it's coming back to bite us in the ass in some ways. Some kind of injunction that says "Hey, wait, what does this mean, it can't go into effect like this" and having state legislators saying the same thing may hold some hope..

TheTravellers
08-09-2019, 01:33 PM
Short-term victory, now it's up to the courts, not holding out much hope there, though, unless it goes before the OK Supreme Court (which is about the only consistently sane one I know of here in OK), which it's not going to...

https://thehappyogle.com/2019/08/08/canna-overlords-at-omma-want-to-narc-on-you/

BoulderSooner
08-12-2019, 05:14 AM
Yeah, lots of "INAL" here. Same with those entrusted to interpret the law. When it comes to the database, it exists. The state employees that had to create it read SHALL as MUST.
.

"Shall" is a word used in all federal contracts the means must ... . that is how is should be read and is not open for interepratation

"should" on the other hand is not absolutle in contract or statutes ..

jn1780
08-12-2019, 07:05 AM
I heard several people talk about how they wanted to get into MJ business because it would be easy money.

At this point in time their right, but just like every other industry, there will be people who figure out how to do it cheaper and better. Should peak out here shortly in the number of new dispensaries and once the new fields start going online and prices drop, you will see the leaner business do better

Pete
08-12-2019, 07:15 AM
This is a business built very strong on products, education and customer service.

There are dozens of different strains, concentrations and delivery systems.

The people I know that patronize certain dispensaries due so because of all these reasons. After all, marijuana is still available the old-fashioned way.

Jeepnokc
08-12-2019, 07:45 AM
After all, marijuana is still available the old-fashioned way.

A friend that opened a dispensary told me the other day " I was a drug dealer before drug dealing was cool"

Goon
08-13-2019, 01:33 AM
"Shall" is a word used in all federal contracts the means must ... . that is how is should be read and is not open for interepratation

"should" on the other hand is not absolutle in contract or statutes ..

+1

I’ll add here that most legislative language uses “May” instead of “should”, but you’re spot on that shall = must, without exception.

SSEiYah
08-14-2019, 10:32 PM
I read an article, about three days ago, about how high the price of medical cannabis is in OK. It had a nice chart to compare with. Can not find it at all now. There is a financial barrier to the use of this product. The Veteran discount helps, but not much.
I have several friends/family with cards. $35 for 3.5 grams is the norm at a lot of stores now. I believe that is about a weekly supply for most. You can grow your own plants indoors for far cheaper, quite a few kits on Amazon which are not that expensive. I'd be leery to suggest anyone grow outdoors only from my experience in trying to grow quite a few different fruits and veggies here over the years. Lots of bugs/rabbits/etc that will eat up plants. I would imagine spraying pesticides on a plant you plan on smoking later is not good for ones health. The indoor method seems like the best option since it seems like with $400 worth of equipment you can get $1600 worth of product (at retail prices) on the first harvest if you know what you are doing and since you already have the equipment, the next harvests will be even less expensive.

BBatesokc
08-15-2019, 03:21 AM
I have several friends/family with cards. $35 for 3.5 grams is the norm at a lot of stores now. I believe that is about a weekly supply for most. You can grow your own plants indoors for far cheaper, quite a few kits on Amazon which are not that expensive. I'd be leery to suggest anyone grow outdoors only from my experience in trying to grow quite a few different fruits and veggies here over the years. Lots of bugs/rabbits/etc that will eat up plants. I would imagine spraying pesticides on a plant you plan on smoking later is not good for ones health. The indoor method seems like the best option since it seems like with $400 worth of equipment you can get $1600 worth of product (at retail prices) on the first harvest if you know what you are doing and since you already have the equipment, the next harvests will be even less expensive.

If only I could grow a 'Gummie' Tree. Those and patches/creams were all I ever did while in treatment. I just can't do the smokable.

Mel
08-15-2019, 09:13 PM
Great segue. I saw something new, to me, at the Dispensary I use. THC/CBD combo Suppositories. The Budtender told me they were GREAT when you are having problems down there. Not an edible by the way.

mkjeeves
08-16-2019, 08:38 AM
If only I could grow a 'Gummie' Tree. Those and patches/creams were all I ever did while in treatment. I just can't do the smokable.

People have been getting baked with home baked and other edibles for decades. Probably can find more DIY info than you ever wanted to know about it on youtube. I'm going to pick some edibles up next month when I'm in Colorado to see if it helps with chronic pain without gluing me to the couch.

TheTravellers
08-16-2019, 09:14 AM
People have been getting baked with home baked and other edibles for decades. Probably can find more DIY info than you ever wanted to know about it on youtube. I'm going to pick some edibles up next month when I'm in Colorado to see if it helps with chronic pain without gluing me to the couch.

You do know that not every strain of marijuana gives you couch-lock, right? Tons of sativa/hybrids that do exactly the opposite, do your research before you get there and you shouldn't have any problem finding the right strain for you.

BBatesokc
08-16-2019, 10:13 AM
People have been getting baked with home baked and other edibles for decades. Probably can find more DIY info than you ever wanted to know about it on youtube. I'm going to pick some edibles up next month when I'm in Colorado to see if it helps with chronic pain without gluing me to the couch.

That's where I got mine while going through cancer treatment. Really helped with my pain, anxiety and inability to sleep. There were kinds I used that specifically were not supposed to make you tired.

tyeomans
08-16-2019, 10:35 AM
I tend to go with strains that are more indica dominant. Sativa strains that tend to give you more energy make me feel more speedy, and I don't like that. I've tried out a lot of different strains from different dispensaries, and I've definitely found my favorites. Northern Lights (indica) and Strawnana (hybrid) are my faves.

One thing that I have also noticed is that the effect of the strain can sometimes have a different effect on me depending on my mental state or emotions at the time I start smoking. This can either leave me couch-ridden, focused, or just the opposite. Does anyone else feel this way?

TheTravellers
08-16-2019, 10:52 AM
I tend to go with strains that are more indica dominant. Sativa strains that tend to give you more energy make me feel more speedy, and I don't like that. I've tried out a lot of different strains from different dispensaries, and I've definitely found my favorites. Northern Lights (indica) and Strawnana (hybrid) are my faves.

One thing that I have also noticed is that the effect of the strain can sometimes have a different effect on me depending on my mental state or emotions at the time I start smoking. This can either leave me couch-ridden, focused, or just the opposite. Does anyone else feel this way?

Yep, absolutely, to both paragraphs.

Some sativa strains (anything "orange") make me way more wired than I'd like, so I tend to go for indica-dominant hybrids (almost everything's some sort of hybrid nowadays though, I think).

And yes, your mental state definitely affects the effects - I've been in a weird mood and smoked some hoping it would help, but nope, it just did squat to change it. What I've read is that marijuana amplifies the state your mind is in, and can sometimes overcome that, but mostly just amps up what's in your head. It's almost always dependable for the effects you get time after time, but sometimes it just doesn't work the way you want it to (not often, I've found, though). Only been to one dispensary so far, tried a lot of their strains (they're small, so it didn't take long), but need to get to others to try some different ones I've heard are "better" than the ones I currently buy (Bruce Banner, Banana Kush, Strawberry Cough are the main ones).

TheTravellers
08-16-2019, 11:12 AM
Great segue. I saw something new, to me, at the Dispensary I use. THC/CBD combo Suppositories. The Budtender told me they were GREAT when you are having problems down there. Not an edible by the way.

OK, this is just great, what dispensary sells them? Have to go by just to see for myself, not having problems down there. :)

Mel
08-16-2019, 12:25 PM
It might be a bit of a trip for some. It's called Semper Fire. Owned and operated by 2 former Marines. 15% discount for Veterans. They have a locked Glass front Cooler with their edibles, extracts and (Shoveables?) Located at Reno and Czech Hall Road. This would have been a great product to have had when my Wife had Hemorrhoid Surgery 2 years ago. She had a reaction to anesthesia and couldn't keep any meds down.

Bunty
08-18-2019, 02:51 AM
Three years ago on Aug. 17, activists submitted petitions for SQ788 to the Oklahoma Secretary of State's office. Remarkable that there were barely enough signatures and they did not get challenged. Former State Rep. Joe Dorman with cart.

http://okie.world/photos/788sigs.jpg

gopokes88
08-18-2019, 07:14 AM
Oklahoman reporting the tax revenue is up 2.5 million/month and 160k patient licenses. Not a bad little revenue stream.

OKCRT
08-18-2019, 08:43 AM
Oklahoman reporting the tax revenue is up 2.5 million/month and 160k patient licenses. Not a bad little revenue stream.

I think it must be higher than 160k by now since that was what was reported over a month ago.
Imagine what the Hog to the south will be bringing in once they legalize MMJ.

Pete
08-18-2019, 09:36 AM
Most the dispensaries are really just getting rolling.

Some of the larger, more professional outlets are raking in tons of money and it's ramping up.

TheTravellers
08-18-2019, 11:53 AM
It might be a bit of a trip for some. It's called Semper Fire. Owned and operated by 2 former Marines. 15% discount for Veterans. They have a locked Glass front Cooler with their edibles, extracts and (Shoveables?) Located at Reno and Czech Hall Road. This would have been a great product to have had when my Wife had Hemorrhoid Surgery 2 years ago. She had a reaction to anesthesia and couldn't keep any meds down.

Thanks for the info, we're at NW 36th/May, so it's further than we'd normally go, but we might be out that way in the future, so we'll check it out if we are...

gopokes88
08-18-2019, 08:05 PM
I think it must be higher than 160k by now since that was what was reported over a month ago.
Imagine what the Hog to the south will be bringing in once they legalize MMJ.
Imagine how much we’ll bring in if they don’t.

Not unreasonable to think some Texans are finding ways to get an OK card, drive up to winstar area, loading up driving back.

mugofbeer
08-18-2019, 09:09 PM
Imagine how much we’ll bring in if they don’t.

Not unreasonable to think some Texans are finding ways to get an OK card, drive up to winstar area, loading up driving back.

Lol, ironic if the tide turns opposite of when l was in college and we'd drive south to Gainesville for strong beer.

BlackmoreRulz
08-30-2019, 07:57 PM
With the amazing amount of dispensaries that have popped up, is there an initiative to get recreational pt on the ballot? I know there was one last year but it has been quite quiet on any new movements to get recreational passed.

Bunty
08-30-2019, 10:21 PM
With the amazing amount of dispensaries that have popped up, is there an initiative to get recreational pt on the ballot? I know there was one last year but it has been quite quiet on any new movements to get recreational passed.

No rec petition is out, so far. The required number of signatures for a petition is even more overwhelming than before. Sponsors shouldn't try a rec petition, especially one for a state constitutional amendment, unless they have money to pay signature takers. Most people won't get signatures unless paid. For example, even after all the publicity marijuana was getting in summer 2018, the rec petition came up short by over 20,000 signatures. A huge blunder made was that it was for a state constitutional amendment, requiring a much greater number of signatures. If only it had been for a statute change like SQ788 was, we would be voting to legalize rec marijuana in 2020.

Getting rec on the ballot is no guarantee it will pass. A recent Sooner poll showed about 60% of Oklahomans were opposed to legalizing rec marijuana. People opposed can change their minds if given enough time. My guess that time may be in 2024 to take a vote on rec, barring something that could speed things up.

https://nondoc.com/2019/08/27/poll-a-year-later-oklahomans-still-like-medical-marijuana/

gopokes88
08-31-2019, 11:52 AM
I’m opposed to rec. the system we have now is good enough, it’s not hard to get your card if you want one.