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OKCretro
02-06-2020, 05:39 PM
That was pretty much true unless the opponent was OU. When OU came to town a good portion of the crowd had never step foot in a college classroom.

i realize you are trying to take a jab at ou but I will play along.

There is a reason why OU's 3rd tier rights bring in 5 million more than OSU's deal.
There is a reason why OU football pregame is on Fox sports Oklahoma and FX southwest while OSU's is on ESPN+.
Those "t-shirt fans" money is just as green and worth the same as money from an alum.

A school wants as big of a footprint as a school can get not the opposite. The more eyeballs that watch your games the more money you get. The bigger the audience the better.

jn1780
02-07-2020, 07:55 AM
That was pretty much true unless the opponent was OU. When OU came to town a good portion of the crowd had never step foot in a college classroom.

I would probably say this is true for the fan base for most schools at this level. We can probably safely say that students and allumi watching UCO games probably outnumber those who didn't by large margins.

Midtowner
02-07-2020, 08:50 AM
That was pretty much true unless the opponent was OU. When OU came to town a good portion of the crowd had never step foot in a college classroom.

This is the goal of every school in the NCAA.

SEMIweather
02-07-2020, 09:28 AM
The disdain for "t-shirt" fans in college sports is laughable. Only a third of the U.S. population has a college degree, so of course most major athletic programs are going to have a lot of fans who didn't graduate from the school.

jn1780
02-07-2020, 10:49 AM
The disdain for "t-shirt" fans in college sports is laughable. Only a third of the U.S. population has a college degree, so of course most major athletic programs are going to have a lot of fans who didn't graduate from the school.
Yeah, and I dont see how it's any different from having a favorite NBA or NFL team. These young adults have to train hard while also having to attend college with the hope of maybe making it big time one day. Sounds like sports stars everyone would want to rally around.

AP
02-07-2020, 11:40 AM
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mugofbeer
02-07-2020, 12:06 PM
This is a really silly conversation. Each school has an excellent athletic program. As for facilities and fans, both have great followings. GIA is such an unusual facility in how it was built and expanded, they did the best they could given the space. OU basketball attendance is hurt by the proximity of the Thunder. OSU to a lesser exent.

As for fans, all schools have their good and their bad. The only negative I have observed of OU fans overall is at the OU-TX game, the fans seem to have grown much more abusive, much faster to hurl profanities and to go beyond just hard-core rivalry. I had to step in between a fistfight next to me for the first time ever this last game. Beer sales may have something to do with it but it appears screaming F-bombs, sexuality attacks and just overall cursing has gone waaaaay up lately. Nevermind there are kids and elderly around.

Laramie
02-07-2020, 01:51 PM
This is a really silly conversation. Each school has an excellent athletic program. As for facilities and fans, both have great followings. GIA is such an unusual facility in how it was built and expanded, they did the best they could given the space. OU basketball attendance is hurt by the proximity of the Thunder. OSU to a lesser exent.

As for fans, all schools have their good and their bad. The only negative I have observed of OU fans overall is at the OU-TX game, the fans seem to have grown much more abusive, much faster to hurl profanities and to go beyond just hard-core rivalry. I had to step in between a fistfight next to me for the first time ever this last game. Beer sales may have something to do with it but it appears screaming F-bombs, sexuality attacks and just overall cursing has gone waaaaay up lately. Nevermind there are kids and elderly around.

Fistfights and profanity are nothing new to this rivalry, it's been going on and elevated since the equal division of the Cotton Bowl between two schools.

Metroplex merchants love the money & economic impact ($20 million) the game brings to the area. You have to drive to Fort Worth to get a hotel if you didn't make reservations. The game has always had its vices because activities leading up to the game requires more police presence.

mugofbeer
02-07-2020, 02:18 PM
Fistfights and profanity are nothing new to this rivalry, it's been going on and elevated since the equal division of the Cotton Bowl between two schools.

Metroplex merchants love the money & economic impact ($20 million) the game brings to the area. You have to drive to Fort Worth to get a hotel if you didn't make reservations. The game has always had its vices because activities leading up to the game requires more police presence.

Occasional loudmouths have always been there. There were at least 3 different groups of 20-somethings who were just constant, the whole game. I've certainly thrown my share of it but I also know some level of decorum. What I have seen at the OU/TX game is far higher than it used to be. yes, I remember the days of Commerce Street and Friday nights with 400 - 600 arrests. My brother got bopped on the head and hauled in as being drunk even though he doesn't drink.

I'm just glad the school administrations have the good sense to NOT have the game in the evening.

dankrutka
02-07-2020, 03:31 PM
OU fans are absolutely delusional most of the time.

This thread has deteriorated into who can make the most outlandishly broad statements that others will agree with.


This is a really silly conversation.

Can we just end the thread here? This is a good ending.

Laramie
02-14-2020, 05:49 PM
OU football: Why Saturday night might be

more than all right for the Red-White Game


by Jenni Carlson
Published: Fri, February 14, 2020 5:49 PM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTJFhIzJRqg

NORMAN — Standing behind the microphone, Lincoln Riley had trouble keeping still...

...How successful OU’s spring game had been on a Friday night.

...The spring game drew an announced attendance of 50,228, which falls short of the massive crows at places like Nebraska and Alabama, but it was one of OU’s biggest.

...A few thousand more would push the Red-White Game near the upper 50,000s and might even flirt with 60,000. If that happens, standing still might be the least of Lincoln Riley's problems.


# # #

Jersey Boss
02-14-2020, 06:37 PM
^ That would be welcomed by the merchants if they did it. With the # of morning games during the season local business has taken a hit.

SoonerDave
02-25-2020, 08:42 AM
This is a really silly conversation. Each school has an excellent athletic program. As for facilities and fans, both have great followings. GIA is such an unusual facility in how it was built and expanded, they did the best they could given the space. OU basketball attendance is hurt by the proximity of the Thunder. OSU to a lesser exent.

As for fans, all schools have their good and their bad. The only negative I have observed of OU fans overall is at the OU-TX game, the fans seem to have grown much more abusive, much faster to hurl profanities and to go beyond just hard-core rivalry. I had to step in between a fistfight next to me for the first time ever this last game. Beer sales may have something to do with it but it appears screaming F-bombs, sexuality attacks and just overall cursing has gone waaaaay up lately. Nevermind there are kids and elderly around.

Sorry, but as a 40-year veteran of OU-Texas, based on my personal experience, I just can't agree with this. . The "disdain" between the fans is arguably as *low* as it has ever been. When I was in college, the intensity level was much higher and you were MUCH more likely to get into a verbal skirmish. These days, not so much. Heck, in recent years, I've struck up completely pleasant conversations waiting in the Fletcher's corndog line with disappointed UT fans. The obnoxious ones are, in my experience, the exception these days, not the rule.

I think Dallas terminating the old Commerce Street warfare years ago really muted the uglier aspect of the OU-Texas rivalry. Yes, the two schools loathe each other, they always will, but that ugliness I remember from the 70's just isn't there anymore.

Beyond that, while both fan bases are still rabid among the broader base of CFB fans, I think the fans that consistently attend OU-TX are getting a little older on average, and the younger crowd only knows the "less intense" version of the rivalry. So, for a lot of reasons, I think that sharp rivalry edge - while still very much present - is significantly blunted.

mugofbeer
02-25-2020, 10:10 AM
Sorry, but as a 40-year veteran of OU-Texas, based on my personal experience, I just can't agree with this. . The "disdain" between the fans is arguably as *low* as it has ever been. When I was in college, the intensity level was much higher and you were MUCH more likely to get into a verbal skirmish. These days, not so much. Heck, in recent years, I've struck up completely pleasant conversations waiting in the Fletcher's corndog line with disappointed UT fans. The obnoxious ones are, in my experience, the exception these days, not the rule.

I think Dallas terminating the old Commerce Street warfare years ago really muted the uglier aspect of the OU-Texas rivalry. Yes, the two schools loathe each other, they always will, but that ugliness I remember from the 70's just isn't there anymore.

Beyond that, while both fan bases are still rabid among the broader base of CFB fans, I think the fans that consistently attend OU-TX are getting a little older on average, and the younger crowd only knows the "less intense" version of the rivalry. So, for a lot of reasons, I think that sharp rivalry edge - while still very much present - is significantly blunted.

You're totally missing my point. I'm not talking about disdain among fans. I'm talking about fan behavior at the games. I'm talking about drunkenness in the stands and constant screaming of F-bombs during the game.

It's not that big a deal to me and doesn't offend, I was just making an observation, so I will write it off that people around where our seats are must have been more reserved than in other places and move on.

Dob Hooligan
02-25-2020, 04:44 PM
Isn't this thread supposed to be about OU athletics? I thought social and political discussions about OU were somewhere else.

Roger S
02-26-2020, 09:25 AM
How about that Sooner win against Tech last night??? That just might get us to the dance!

This is a sports thread isn't it? I'm not WAY off topic here am I?

Jersey Boss
02-26-2020, 11:05 AM
I was stoked with that display. The big 3 all put a good game together at the same time and produced a statement victory. It would be fantastic if they could do it in Morgantown on Saturday. I believe we are in if we beat the teams that are below OU in the conference standings.

Roger S
02-26-2020, 12:04 PM
I was stoked with that display. The big 3 all put a good game together at the same time and produced a statement victory. It would be fantastic if they could do it in Morgantown on Saturday. I believe we are in if we beat the teams that are below OU in the conference standings.

WVU has really slumped to end the season. They may be getting worn out.

Definitely not going to be an easy game but I think we have a shot at coming out of Morgantown with a win. I thought we handled the Tech pressure fairly well in the 2nd half. A couple of hiccups but if we do that for 40 against WVU and we get the W.

Texas is surging and you know they are going to bring all they got against us in Norman.

Normally I would say TCU should be a win but it's on the road and we are 1-6 on the road.

Jersey Boss
02-26-2020, 12:11 PM
While WVU appears to be slumping, they still have a respectable home record. Their slump seems to be primarily road games.
TCU should be an easy game as they will have nothing to play for and would have played both Baylor and Kansas just prior to OU. They'll be beat down.
It does not appear from last night's game that having that urban walkability factor to the game was at all positive for attendance.
Joe C needs to keep the home games in Norman and leave the NBA arena to NCAA playoffs. Tram reported about 5k at the game which is less than LNC average.
OU basketball: Fans say 'eh' to Big 12 game in OKC
https://www.google.com/amp/s/oklahoman.com/article/5655985/sooners-break-new-ground-by-taking-a-conference-game-to-okc/amp

Roger S
02-26-2020, 12:21 PM
Joe C needs to keep the home games in Norman and leave the NBA arena to NCAA playoffs. Tram reported about 5k at the game which is less than LNC average.

After seeing how they played there.... I'm thinking attendance be damned.... They played their best game this season on an NBA court... Play all our home games there! ;)

mugofbeer
02-26-2020, 08:14 PM
SPORTS: I'd be OK if they played a couple of weeknight games in OKC. Weeknight games wouldn't harm local business much.

SEMIweather
02-26-2020, 08:14 PM
I'm convinced OU used the two OKC "home" games this year as a trial balloon for potentially moving an entire season of games to Chesapeake once they finally get around to doing major renovations on the LNC. I'm not really sure they have another option at this point now that the UNP arena fell through. The LNC is in desperate need of a facelift sometime in the next decade.

dankrutka
02-26-2020, 11:29 PM
I'm convinced OU used the two OKC "home" games this year as a trial balloon for potentially moving an entire season of games to Chesapeake once they finally get around to doing major renovations on the LNC. I'm not really sure they have another option at this point now that the UNP arena fell through. The LNC is in desperate need of a facelift sometime in the next decade.

I see the location of the LNC as a big barrier. It's in a concrete dessert near nothing to do that pretty much requires driving in and out of traffic each way. They should have never poured all that money into the practice gyms and instead just tore down LNC. Then they could have built a new 6,000 seat arena on campus in the parking lot east of the football stadium next to track and field. Honestly, if they needed a temporary home just using McCasland probably works fine for most games... maybe move the big ones to Chesapeake. OU basketball fans have never been great, but with the Thunder, support has cratered. To me, the only two solutions are (a) a much smaller arena (I think 6,000 is good) and (b) more amenities that go beyond basketball. The options aren't great. I am glad the UNP arena fell through though... if UNP was well developed that would be one thing, but they would basically be adding an arena to a strip mall. No thanks.

mattyiceokc
02-27-2020, 07:33 AM
I see the location of the LNC as a big barrier. It's in a concrete dessert near nothing to do that pretty much requires driving in and out of traffic each way. They should have never poured all that money into the practice gyms and instead just tore down LNC. Then they could have built a new 6,000 seat arena on campus in the parking lot east of the football stadium next to track and field. Honestly, if they needed a temporary home just using McCasland probably works fine for most games... maybe move the big ones to Chesapeake. OU basketball fans have never been great, but with the Thunder, support has cratered. To me, the only two solutions are (a) a much smaller arena (I think 6,000 is good) and (b) more amenities that go beyond basketball. The options aren't great. I am glad the UNP arena fell through though... if UNP was well developed that would be one thing, but they would basically be adding an arena to a strip mall. No thanks.

McCasland is absolutely not an option for games. They played a couple games there in the last decade and attendance was even worse than a normal game at the LNC. More than half of the seating is just bleachers with no back. Concessions were scarce. I couldn't imagine a major college basketball team playing in an arena without a video board for replays, etc.

I've been to just about every home game for the past 20 years. I probably wouldn't go to many games if they played at McCasland, and I bet most season ticket holders would feel the same way.

Jersey Boss
02-27-2020, 10:37 AM
Winning on a consistent basis is what fill seats. The LNC was rocking in the late 80's and 90's irrespective of driving to and from the arena.
The NCAA lists OU average attendance at 10K+ for 2018 http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/2019/Attendance.pdf

I'm sure that is paid and not actual. That also shows what the potential is for a consistently winning program. A 6k facility is a joke.

dankrutka
02-27-2020, 10:56 AM
OU has won in recent years and the attendance was still not that great. OU has a couple of the most exciting players in recent memory in Buddy and Trae and there still wasn't near the excitement there was in the early 2000s. There is no way OU averaged near 10,000 in 2018. If this OU team was ranked in the top 10 I think the attendance would only be marginally better. Things. Have. Changed. I think 6,000 is the right number going forward.

Jersey Boss
02-27-2020, 11:30 AM
OU has won in recent years and the attendance was still not that great. OU has a couple of the most exciting players in recent memory in Buddy and Trae and there still wasn't near the excitement there was in the early 2000s. There is no way OU averaged near 10,000 in 2018. If this OU team was ranked in the top 10 I think the attendance would only be marginally better. Things. Have. Changed. I think 6,000 is the right number going forward.
Which is opinion, I get it. My perspective is of someone that has been to 90% of the home games since the late 80's and is a fan. The team still did averages better attendance this year at LNC versus the Chesapeake arena with all it's added amenities and interesting places around it. 8 o'clock start times on a weekday do nothing for filling seats.
More games than not had over 6k in the seats. The majority of those in attendance are not students. That was true in every era and is true in fb as well. Should the University relocate the bb facility it needs to respect the transportation and parking needs of the majority of paying customers or there will be more decline.

Nick
02-27-2020, 01:33 PM
I strongly disagree that McCasland is not a solution. They could easily play most of their games there and it would be a terrific environment.

Jersey Boss
02-27-2020, 01:40 PM
I strongly disagree that McCasland is not a solution. They could easily play most of their games there and it would be a terrific environment.

How many games have you been to this year?

Rover
02-27-2020, 05:10 PM
I strongly disagree that McCasland is not a solution. They could easily play most of their games there and it would be a terrific environment.

McCasland isn't terrific in any way. Lloyd Noble is way more comfortable and with good sight-lines, bathrooms, concessions, parking etc.

PhiAlpha
02-28-2020, 07:51 AM
McCasland isn't terrific in any way. Lloyd Noble is way more comfortable and with good sight-lines, bathrooms, concessions, parking etc.

Yeah a few years ago over a 2 or 3 season period, they played a game or two at McCasland and while it was really cool, definitely wasn’t something that was sustainable over a full season. It is a really nice facility after all the renovations but not up to par for Division I college basketball.

Now if they could built a facility on the empty lots where the old apartments stood south of the duck pond...that would be huge. OU owns all of that property and it’s been sitting empty for about the last decade.

PhiAlpha
02-28-2020, 07:53 AM
McCasland isn't terrific in any way. Lloyd Noble is way more comfortable and with good sight-lines, bathrooms, concessions, parking etc.

Double post

Roger S
03-02-2020, 06:51 AM
Great win in West Virginia Saturday should guarantee we make the dance.

It is still ok to talk about sports in here right? Or is talking sports in a sports thread racist now?

soonermike81
03-02-2020, 08:07 AM
Did y’all see Neville Gallimore crush it at the combine? Kid got after it!

Jersey Boss
03-02-2020, 08:56 AM
Tomorrow's game at the LNC should be a real barn burner. Texas has improved since the last time the teams met where OU beat them in Austin. Both teams have identical conference and overall records. Both teams have a shot at a 20 win season. A very compelling match up. I was going to go to Dallas to see the Rangers beat the Stars, but I can't miss this one.

Roger S
03-02-2020, 09:14 AM
Tomorrow's game at the LNC should be a real barn burner. Texas has improved since the last time the teams met where OU beat them in Austin. Both teams have identical conference and overall records. Both teams have a shot at a 20 win season. A very compelling match up. I was going to go to Dallas to see the Rangers beat the Stars, but I can't miss this one.

Yeah... I think Smart may have salvaged his job with the way that team has turned around..... I was really expecting KSU and Texas to be looking for new coaches next season.

CloudDeckMedia
03-02-2020, 10:20 AM
OU just announced that they are closing their Italy study abroad program this week due to Coronavirus concerns.

http://www.ou.edu/web/news_events/articles/news_2020/coronavirus-arezzo

AP
03-02-2020, 10:32 AM
This thread is in the Sports forum, right?

Roger S
03-02-2020, 10:38 AM
This thread is in the Sports forum, right?

Yes but the terrorists have won.

Jersey Boss
03-02-2020, 10:47 AM
Pete/Martin could you clean this thread off non sports related posts? Please .

Martin
03-02-2020, 11:18 AM
Pete/Martin could you clean this thread off non sports related posts? Please .

good idea. i moved a bunch of recent posts over to the 'racism in america (https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=45615)' thread. let's limit this thread to discussing university of oklahoma athletics.

The Shadow
03-03-2020, 03:05 PM
How many games have you been to this year?

Exactly!!!!!!!

The people wanting to play in the field house are people who never attend bb games. It's mostly people who call in on the radio.

I'm a long time season ticket holder and I've got people around me that have had their seats since the LNC opened.

They tried the field house experiment a couple years ago and it obviously didn't work very well, because they never did it again.

I'm curious if they will have any more games at the Peake. I kinda thought it was a little chippier crowd last week (8:00 PM, they got booze not just beer) than the LNC.

Btw, Texas Sucks.

SoonersFan12
03-03-2020, 04:58 PM
I hope Sooners will sweep Donghorns to make the tournament tonight

SoonersFan12
03-07-2020, 02:43 PM
I hope Sooners will sweep Donghorns to make the tournament tonight

Tough loss, make your damn free throws or Sooners would not lost on a 3 point game winner! Sooners need to defeat Frogs today

SoonersFan12
03-07-2020, 08:34 PM
What a comeback win and a monster game by Reaves with 41 points tonight! Now on to West Virgina on Thursday night!

SoonersFan12
03-07-2020, 09:26 PM
Sooners women’s team has lost 8 straight games to end the season and have not been a good team in 3 years, I love Sherri but it is time for Sherri to go and start an new era

Laramie
03-07-2020, 09:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiPOEpEjowEAn incredible come-from-behind win in Funky Town.

BoulderSooner
03-09-2020, 07:19 AM
locks the Dance and 3rd place in the league (tied) and 3rd seed in KC