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SoonersFan12
10-27-2019, 09:36 PM
OU has been good for one inexplicable October regular-season loss per year under Riley. Hopefully they can turn it around again, I still think they have a decent shot to sneak in at 12-1. If they lose another one, they are toast.

I am honestly not sure if they will be able to defeat Baylor in Waco in a few weeks, it is going to be tough

Laramie
11-09-2019, 10:36 PM
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Sooners 42 - Cyclones 41



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbA4UK2OiWo

okatty
11-11-2019, 10:01 AM
Tramel's article today was pretty on point in my view. A lot of parity in the B12. CFP rankings Tuesday will be interesting. CBS Sports has OU #4; Bleacher Report has Oregon #4; some ESPN have Bama #4.

mugofbeer
11-11-2019, 09:40 PM
Yeah, OU isn't a 4 ranked team. Can't be #1 every year.

okatty
11-12-2019, 08:21 AM
FiveThirtyEight has an interactive predictor where you can adjust what happens going forward and it shows their predictions on what happens. Fun to play around with. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-college-football-predictions

SoonersFan12
11-16-2019, 10:56 PM
What a comeback win!! It is the biggest comeback win in franchise history! I am so proud of our Sooners! Boomer Sooner!!

Quicker
11-17-2019, 01:39 AM
What a fun game to watch. There can’t be anyone happier than Coach Grinch. After a couple of tough games and a really bad first half, they made the adjustments and stepped up on defense. We only gave up 69 yards in the second half. Keeping their offense on the sideline contributed to their defense being gassed in the fourth quarter... I would hate to have been that guy that got so disgusted with our play in the first half that he turned it off...haha

SoonersFan12
11-17-2019, 09:02 AM
What a fun game to watch. There can’t be anyone happier than Coach Grinch. After a couple of tough games and a really bad first half, they made the adjustments and stepped up on defense. We only gave up 69 yards in the second half. Keeping their offense on the sideline contributed to their defense being gassed in the fourth quarter... I would hate to have been that guy that got so disgusted with our play in the first half that he turned it off...haha

My friend did exactly that at halftime and went to bed and I texted him and told him that Sooners won and he thought I was playing with him so he had to look it up, I told him to never give up on our Sooners! He missed a great game!

Laramie
11-17-2019, 10:23 AM
Are we witnessing a return to Sooner Magic...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi9AFVyEKRk

Laramie
11-17-2019, 11:07 AM
Interesting: OU defense did not allow Baylor to score the whole second half.

mugofbeer
11-17-2019, 08:44 PM
Are we witnessing a return to Sooner Magic...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi9AFVyEKRk

Two miracle wins in a row?

Roger S
11-20-2019, 07:55 AM
Interesting: OU defense did not allow Baylor to score the whole second half.Or you could say our offense didn't let them score in the whole second half.... Been a long time since I saw a Sooner offense dominate the game clock the way they did in the second half.

jerrywall
11-20-2019, 10:16 AM
What a fun game to watch. There can’t be anyone happier than Coach Grinch. After a couple of tough games and a really bad first half, they made the adjustments and stepped up on defense. We only gave up 69 yards in the second half. Keeping their offense on the sideline contributed to their defense being gassed in the fourth quarter... I would hate to have been that guy that got so disgusted with our play in the first half that he turned it off...haha

*cough*

er... this is awkward. My own mother even called me Sunday to give me crap because I did this.

SoonersFan12
11-21-2019, 05:43 AM
*cough*

er... this is awkward. My own mother even called me Sunday to give me crap because I did this.

I do not blame your mother, never give up on our Sooners!

Richard at Remax
11-21-2019, 08:48 AM
So apparently this is a thing

"According to the OU Daily, the Undergraduate Student Congress met Nov. 12 to mandate a name change for the “Sooner Freshman Council”, citing the words “boomer” and “sooner” as offensive to the Native American community."

https://campusreform.org/?ID=14011

jerrywall
11-21-2019, 09:08 AM
As an OSU alum (and a parent paying for a kid at OSU currently), I fully support an initiative to ban both words...

BoulderSooner
11-21-2019, 09:28 AM
As an OSU alum (and a parent paying for a kid at OSU currently), I fully support an initiative to ban both words...

lol

SoonersFan12
11-23-2019, 10:39 AM
As an OSU alum (and a parent paying for a kid at OSU currently), I fully support an initiative to ban both words...

If Oklahoma State has those words, you would be supporting them :rolleyes:

Laramie
11-23-2019, 10:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUU3HvCVbc

Eric
11-24-2019, 05:57 PM
If Oklahoma State has those words, you would be supporting them :rolleyes:

I find them offensive as well, and I certainly don't have a bias. (sarcasm off).

Truly, I have thought it was strange to name your mascot after an outlaw. Maybe it's not that weird. I don't know.

Midtowner
11-24-2019, 06:44 PM
So apparently this is a thing

"According to the OU Daily, the Undergraduate Student Congress met Nov. 12 to mandate a name change for the “Sooner Freshman Council”, citing the words “boomer” and “sooner” as offensive to the Native American community."

https://campusreform.org/?ID=14011

I wonder which is more woke--finding the words boomer and sooner as offensive to the Native American Community by a group of presumably non-native students or telling the Native American community what they should be offended by?

They are so woke, they're running laps on themselves.

soonermike81
11-24-2019, 09:19 PM
Truly, I have thought it was strange to name your mascot after an outlaw. Maybe it's not that weird. I don't know.

I find it strange that you think that. So growing up playing organized sports, you felt it was weird when going up against a team called the Outlaws? Do you also ponder why we have raiders, pirates, and Vikings as mascots all over the country?

Quicker
11-25-2019, 01:38 AM
I wonder which is more woke--finding the words boomer and sooner as offensive to the Native American Community by a group of presumably non-native students or telling the Native American community what they should be offended by?

They are so woke, they're running laps on themselves.

I wonder what’s more woke... Destroying and sanitizing our historic past or calling those that oppose it racist...

Eric
11-25-2019, 07:38 AM
I find it strange that you think that. So growing up playing organized sports, you felt it was weird when going up against a team called the Outlaws? Do you also ponder why we have raiders, pirates, and Vikings as mascots all over the country?

I actually played on a team called the Outlaws as a child, however, the team was previously known as the Braves and was involved in one of the biggest on field brawls in the league, mind you, this was a 12 and under league. So the name was a take on that event. However, Sooners aren't exactly the best of breed show up storm the castle and take all your women type figures in history. They were literally just cheaters in a contest...dare I say cowards even. Comparing the names of legendary characters to Sooners doesn't seem quite fair.

jerrywall
11-25-2019, 07:54 AM
While I can't speak and tell people not to be offended by something that may be offensive to them, I have a hard time getting too upset over the use of the words Sooner or Boomer. I think we've reached a consensus that you can't use minority groups and/or caricatures of minority groups as your mascot. but I feel like if we go down this road, we should just eliminate any mascots which represent any humans in any ways. The argument could be made that using "Cowboys" is culturally insensitive to Native Americans, and it also represents a whitewashed ideal of the cowboy perpetuated by TV.

(as for sooner vs raiders or pirates or vikings - I find it interesting that the inclusion of rape, pillaging and murder somehow makes the mascots more acceptable - or at least least offensive)

GoGators
11-25-2019, 08:04 AM
What does Boomer and Sooner have to do with the Native American community? I get that they settled on previous Indian Territory, but only after the govt told them to. They cheated the rules of the Land Run but I’m not sure what this has to do with the tribes. I could be missing something.

jn1780
11-25-2019, 11:17 AM
If your a Native American who finds Sooner or Boomer offensive, there is probably no way to make you happy unless the U.S. government is completely disbanded. Seeing the US flag everyday would be a reminder of what happen over the past 300 years.

dankrutka
11-25-2019, 01:57 PM
I wrote a long response that was lost because I submitted but had been logged out by the website (which happens all the time), but I'll just leave this article: https://nondoc.com/2015/09/03/better-to-be-okies-than-boomers-and-sooners/.

"Boomers and Sooners were two kinds of criminals. In the late 1870s, Boomers, notably led by David L. Payne until his death in 1884, were so named because they were “booming,” or making considerable noise, about opening Indian Territory to Anglo settlement. Payne led groups of Boomers – would-be settlers in search of a homestead – into Indian Territory where they camped until they were seen, reported, and arrested for the crime of trespass upon Indian land. Among those carrying out the arrests were black U.S. cavalrymen, the famed Buffalo Soldiers, on rotation from chasing Geronimo around the Southwest. Boomer propaganda exploited that fact, so that right-thinking people in the eastern United States would understand that blacks were arresting whites for trespassing on Indian land and thereby threatening the established social order. Public pressure built, and President Benjamin Harrison presided over the opening of a portion of Indian Territory to white settlers on April 22, 1889."

Yes, the Boomers were deeply racist and sought to steal Indigenous lands by theft or legalizing theft... which they did. The first law of Oklahoma sought White supremacy in the state. I know this is uncomfortable for those who have not studied history, but it's legitimate to consider whether we want schools, holidays, statues, and chants named after those who openly sought to exclude people of color and Indigenous Peoples as policy.

Thomas Vu
11-25-2019, 02:59 PM
Thanks for the info. For me anyway, it makes it a more of a legitimate concern than before you posted it.Something I do when the logout happens is copy pasta everything I have in the text editor after I get the message that I'm not allowed to do it, log in, and then paste it.

GoGators
11-25-2019, 04:10 PM
I wrote a long response that was lost because I submitted but had been logged out by the website (which happens all the time), but I'll just leave this article: https://nondoc.com/2015/09/03/better-to-be-okies-than-boomers-and-sooners/.

"Boomers and Sooners were two kinds of criminals. In the late 1870s, Boomers, notably led by David L. Payne until his death in 1884, were so named because they were “booming,” or making considerable noise, about opening Indian Territory to Anglo settlement. Payne led groups of Boomers – would-be settlers in search of a homestead – into Indian Territory where they camped until they were seen, reported, and arrested for the crime of trespass upon Indian land. Among those carrying out the arrests were black U.S. cavalrymen, the famed Buffalo Soldiers, on rotation from chasing Geronimo around the Southwest. Boomer propaganda exploited that fact, so that right-thinking people in the eastern United States would understand that blacks were arresting whites for trespassing on Indian land and thereby threatening the established social order. Public pressure built, and President Benjamin Harrison presided over the opening of a portion of Indian Territory to white settlers on April 22, 1889."

Yes, the Boomers were deeply racist and sought to steal Indigenous lands by theft or legalizing theft... which they did. The first law of Oklahoma sought White supremacy in the state. I know this is uncomfortable for those who have not studied history, but it's legitimate to consider whether we want schools, holidays, statues, and chants named after those who openly sought to exclude people of color and Indigenous Peoples as policy.

This gives me a much more clear reference to where the students were coming from with this vote and something that I was not thinking about when initially hearing the story.

aDark
11-26-2019, 09:48 AM
https://www.chronicle.com/article/How-a-250-Million/247607?key=ru53T2OqzfFxl6vyxrUoEUratpdxH5m7OfrXbzR 2CNfhG7l81bwOAgVzp9lVvWw4bkJERV9ScDlEZE9CSERzWXBMN TN4T09fNUtESVhwSmI5REpJRURsR0l5OA&fbclid=IwAR0UM-l-wRNeNDWQSu4Ltaen81L2PfTagl4Q8LdQ8ea3nvnWKUYyubaHEs Y

Rover
11-26-2019, 10:01 AM
We see in this article how the idea that you can run a university like a cold corporation just doesn't work. Gallogly was an awful fit and will cost the UofO for many years.

dankrutka
11-26-2019, 11:21 PM
Gallogly was so unqualified for the job it’s unreal.

Pete
11-27-2019, 06:14 AM
I would still like to know what caused Gallogly to suddenly 'quit' and be completely vanished in a few days.

This whole episode was ugly and reflects badly on the university and state.

OkiePoke
11-27-2019, 07:55 AM
I think the large problem is people really don't know the history of the words. Not saying they are at the fault, or even if the meanings have changed over time. Once they do, they understand the other's viewpoint (like the previous posters).

But when the majority doesn't understand the history, does that make using certain words/phrases okay?

dankrutka
11-27-2019, 03:19 PM
I agree that most people don't know the Boomer/Sooner history and I personally don't know of anyone who uses the terms with the intention of harming Indigenous Peoples. Boren actually argued that the meaning of those terms has evolved and changed over time to vary from their original meaning. I don't think that explanation will satisfy everyone, particularly Indigenous Peoples. The settler narrative has become so accepted that most people don't consider the historical or contemporary meanings. I think a healthy discussion of the terms would be a good thing for all OU folks because it's a good opportunity to discuss important issues. This is happening with recognition of Indigenous Peoples Day and other events/literature/etc.

Personally, I've largely quit using Boomer/Sooner and tend to say, "Go OU" when the situation merits it. I've just read too much of the history so I personally can't separate the phrase from it's historical meaning anymore.

dankrutka
11-27-2019, 03:21 PM
I would still like to know what caused Gallogly to suddenly 'quit' and be completely vanished in a few days.

This whole episode was ugly and reflects badly on the university and state.

The Board of Regents gets off the hook, but they really should bear more responsibility. They have lacked transparency or wisdom over and over again recently and there seems to be no accountability.

Zuplar
11-27-2019, 05:34 PM
I agree that most people don't know the Boomer/Sooner history and I personally don't know of anyone who uses the terms with the intention of harming Indigenous Peoples. Boren actually argued that the meaning of those terms has evolved and changed over time to vary from their original meaning. I don't think that explanation will satisfy everyone, particularly Indigenous Peoples. The settler narrative has become so accepted that most people don't consider the historical or contemporary meanings. I think a healthy discussion of the terms would be a good thing for all OU folks because it's a good opportunity to discuss important issues. This is happening with recognition of Indigenous Peoples Day and other events/literature/etc.

Personally, I've largely quit using Boomer/Sooner and tend to say, "Go OU" when the situation merits it. I've just read too much of the history so I personally can't separate the phrase from it's historical meaning anymore.

I'm not buying the narrative that most people don't know the history. If you are speaking generally for everyone in the U.S. then maybe. If you are referring to Oklahoman's that's where I'm not buying it. If you grew up in this state multiple times during your education you would have been taught about Boomers/Sooners. So sure there are some nuances that may be left out, but generally speaking people get it.

I think Boren's argument is spot on, and we see this with many words, another prime example is Okie. As an Indian myself (no not Native American, and not indigenous person) I find it a stretch that this is widely thought of as offensive, as I've never encountered someone claiming to be offended by either term. I've heard arguments of "why would you want to name your team after a bunch of cheaters," but that's about the extent of it.

Regardless of what people think you can't simply erase history and right every wrong that ever happened. I also find it a bit disingenuous to continually judge historical actions by today's standards. I will agree that we should continue to educate people on historical meanings of certain words, I think that's very important.

mugofbeer
11-28-2019, 11:34 AM
I've always been under the impression that Sooners were the ones who went in and staked claims early while Boomers were the ones who played by the rules. Now l see l was wrong. While l can understand the problems Native Americans might have with it, l doubt no more than a handful of people think about it, or, like me , even know the meaning as they sing or yell it at the games. There are several people who have sat around our seats for years who are clearly Native Americans and yell Boomer - Sooner right along with the rest of us. Its become a mindless tradition to us, like Boola Boola would be.

We are all now aware of how Native Americans were treated and it's not that we don't have regrets about how they were treated but it's done. Boomer Sooner has lost it's meaning like Halloween's origins are ignored or have been forgotten by all but fundamental Christians.

Like the upside down Longhorn is supposed to be stopped, people will forever do it, and do it more, because of the rivalry. Trying to ban Boomer Sooner will, l believe, have the opposite effect - it will cause enormous resentment and could even be severely damaging to the school.

Bill Robertson
11-28-2019, 02:18 PM
I’m 60 and I went all the way through school here. The first sentence of mugofbeer’s above post is all I remember ever being taught. Apparently a lot was left out of Oklahoma history lessons.

Mott
11-28-2019, 06:01 PM
I’m 60 and I went all the way through school here. The first sentence of mugofbeer’s above post is all I remember ever being taught. Apparently a lot was left out of Oklahoma history lessons.

And I’m 69, graduated from John Marshall in 1968, and I don’t remember any Oklahoma history about Boomer/Sooner.

Rover
11-28-2019, 08:32 PM
I'm not buying the narrative that most people don't know the history. If you are speaking generally for everyone in the U.S. then maybe. If you are referring to Oklahoman's that's where I'm not buying it. If you grew up in this state multiple times during your education you would have been taught about Boomers/Sooners. So sure there are some nuances that may be left out, but generally speaking people get it.

I think Boren's argument is spot on, and we see this with many words, another prime example is Okie. As an Indian myself (no not Native American, and not indigenous person) I find it a stretch that this is widely thought of as offensive, as I've never encountered someone claiming to be offended by either term. I've heard arguments of "why would you want to name your team after a bunch of cheaters," but that's about the extent of it.

Regardless of what people think you can't simply erase history and right every wrong that ever happened. I also find it a bit disingenuous to continually judge historical actions by today's standards. I will agree that we should continue to educate people on historical meanings of certain words, I think that's very important.
I went to school at a very good school system in Oklahoma and was never taught anything about Boomer and Sooner political history.

mugofbeer
11-28-2019, 11:05 PM
In learning the origin of the word "Boomer" was not what l had thought or had been taught it meant, and reading what dantrutka said about it, l decided to read up on the subject. The words Boomer and Sooner really only apply to the "unassigned lands" that were opened for settlement in the 1889 land run. They have nothing to do with the rest of the state.

Without going into a long historical text which can easily be found if you read beyond Wikipedia, the story is somewhat as dantrutka relates but there is a bit more to the story.

We all know and accept the outrageous treatment of Native Americans. Many tribes were moved to, and assigned lands in what is now Oklahoma. Prior to the civil war, a number of tribes were assimilating and trying to participate in US government with the hopes of establishing an "Indian State of Oklahoma."

During the Civil War, some tribes, specifically the Creeks and Seminoles supported the Confederacy. After the war, those tribes lost some 2 million acres of their assigned lands and this strip of today's central Oklahoma was known as The Unassigned Lands. Once the existance of these lands became public, there were those, including some Native Americans, who wanted to settle these lands. This movement became known as the "Boomer" movement.

As dantrutka states, there were multiple attempts and multiple arrests of those who attempted to settle the Unassigned lands. They were never successful. In 1889, the Unassigned Lands were legally opened for settlement in the land run. David Payne and many Boomers may or may not have been racists as dantrutka claims but the lands they felt should be settled by whites was land that, at the time, was not assigned to any tribe.

To me, many whites of the time were racists, not necessarily the Boomers. The whole official policy of forcefully moving Native Americans from their homelands was despicable and Native Americans were ruled against over and over again. Though many Native Americans tried to assimilate, the dream of a Native American State of Oklahoma failed, no doubt due to racism.

The Unassigned Lands were taken as punishment for supporting the Confederacy so when Boomers tried to settle the lands, they weren't seeing this as taking Native American land, they were seeing the Unassigned Lands as open land that non-lndians could settle. One side note is that many Boomers were of southern African American descent because there was an organized attempt to make the unassigned lands an African American state. A number of African Americans also participated in the land run so it wasn't an exclusively white action.

In summary, the words Boomer and Sooner don't appear to have any direct racist undertones. They are, however, both term for people who tried to circumvent the law at the time. The whole national policy toward Native Americans, at the time, was racist by today's standards but the lands in question weren't even officially Native American lands at that time. The OU students appear to be off base.

Of course there are countless nuances to our history. I also admit this whole bit was quickly cobbled together so l may have missed some things but it was a summary from multiple sources.

Stew
12-01-2019, 03:59 PM
I’d be ecstatic if I never again heard “boomer” and/or “sooner”.

jonny d
12-01-2019, 04:30 PM
I’d be ecstatic if I never again heard “boomer” and/or “sooner”.

Ok, boomer

Rover
12-01-2019, 06:14 PM
I’d be ecstatic if I never again heard “boomer” and/or “sooner”.
Lol. That’s what ALL the cowboys are saying today.
And Bears, Longhorns, Wildcats, Frogs, Raiders, Jayhawks, Cyclones, and Mountaineers.

PhiAlpha
12-03-2019, 01:14 PM
In learning the origin of the word "Boomer" was not what l had thought or had been taught it meant, and reading what dantrutka said about it, l decided to read up on the subject. The words Boomer and Sooner really only apply to the "unassigned lands" that were opened for settlement in the 1889 land run. They have nothing to do with the rest of the state. Without going into a long historical text which can easily be found if you read beyond Wikipedia, the story is somewhat as dantrutka relates but there is a bit more to the story. We all know and accept the outrageous treatment of Native Americans. Many tribes were moved to, and assigned lands in what is now Oklahoma. Prior to the civil war, a number of tribes were assimilating and trying to participate in US government with the hopes of establishing an "Indian State of Oklahoma." During the Civil War, some tribes, specifically the Creeks and Seminoles supported the Confederacy. After the war, those tribes lost some 2 million acres of their assigned lands and this strip of today's central Oklahoma was known as The Unassigned Lands. Once the existance of these lands became public, there were those, including some Native Americans, who wanted to settle these lands. This movement became known as the "Boomer" movement. As dantrutka states, there were multiple attempts and multiple arrests of those who attempted to settle the Unassigned lands. They were never successful. In 1889, the Unassigned Lands were legally opened for settlement in the land run. David Payne and many Boomers may or may not have been racists as dantrutka claims but the lands they felt should be settled by whites was land that, at the time, was not assigned to any tribe.To me, many whites of the time were racists, not necessarily the Boomers. The whole official policy of forcefully moving Native Americans from their homelands was despicable and Native Americans were ruled against over and over again. Though many Native Americans tried to assimilate, the dream of a Native American State of Oklahoma failed, no doubt due to racism. The Unassigned Lands were taken as punishment for supporting the Confederacy so when Boomers tried to settle the lands, they weren't seeing this as taking Native American land, they were seeing the Unassigned Lands as open land that non-lndians could settle. One side note is that many Boomers were of southern African American descent because there was an organized attempt to make the unassigned lands an African American state. A number of African Americans also participated in the land run so it wasn't an exclusively white action.In summary, the words Boomer and Sooner don't appear to have any direct racist undertones. They are, however, both term for people who tried to circumvent the law at the time. The whole national policy toward Native Americans, at the time, was racist by today's standards but the lands in question weren't even officially Native American lands at that time. The OU students appear to be off base. Of course there are countless nuances to our history. I also admit this whole bit was quickly cobbled together so l may have missed some things but it was a summary from multiple sources.The fact that the terms Boomer and Sooner applied primarily to settlers who were angling for the government to open the UNASSIGNED LANDS to settlement, seems to be a historical point that everyone has conveniently left out of what is already a stupid argument. This reeks of the same oversimplification of history that's so prevalent among far left leaning individuals that want to view historic events as if everyone during that time should've thought like we do. I'm 32 and our OK history class taught all about that part of Oklahoma history, so I'm glad we went more in depth than many classes did (though I do wish it had been a full year course instead of one semester). I just wish I had enough free time to find all these supposed injustices and casually research them so that I know just enough to get upset about them with out fully understanding the big picture.

dankrutka
12-03-2019, 02:45 PM
The fact that the terms Boomer and Sooner applied primarily to settlers who were angling for the government to open the UNASSIGNED LANDS to settlement, seems to be a historical point that everyone has conveniently left out of what is already a stupid argument. This reeks of the same oversimplification of history that's so prevalent among far left leaning individuals that want to view historic events as if everyone during that time should've thought like we do. I'm 32 and our OK history class taught all about that part of Oklahoma history, so I'm glad we went more in depth than many classes did (though I do wish it had been a full year course instead of one semester). I just wish I had enough free time to find all these supposed injustices and casually research them so that I know just enough to get upset about them with out fully understanding the big picture.

You got us all. I didn't know that the land was UNASSIGNED. I really should learn more history.

DKG
12-03-2019, 02:46 PM
How about that game last weekend? Finally put a complete performance together. Hopefully they can do it again this weekend and let the chips fall where they may for the Playoff. I'm worried Baylor will give us quite the challenge.

BOOMER SOONER!

PhiAlpha
12-03-2019, 03:22 PM
You got us all. I didn't know that the land was UNASSIGNED. I really should learn more history.Well clearly some people don't realize the significance of that when a student government organization is suggesting that the school's mascot/chant/etc should be changed because Boomers and Sooners took the native american's land. It also seems like something you would've mentioned in you're post if you were really going for an honest conversation on the topic. If you want to say they were all big, bad racists and that's why the terms Boomer and Sooner shouldn't be the used ...that's a fair point...but so were 90% of other white people at the time. But if that's the real reason behind not wanting to use the terms Boomer and Sooner... Abraham Lincoln would be considered a major racist if held to today's standards so where do you stop? I guess my main annoyance is people continually looking issues to be upset about when no one that they're claiming should be upset about them... are actually upset about them.

PhiAlpha
12-03-2019, 03:33 PM
Well clearly some people don't realize the significance of that when a student government organization is suggesting that the school's mascot/chant/etc should be changed because Boomers and Sooners took the native american's land. It also seems like something you would've mentioned in you're post if you were really going for an honest conversation on the topic. If you want to say they were all big, bad racists and that's why the terms Boomer and Sooner shouldn't be the used ...that's a fair point...but so were 90% of other white people at the time. But if that's the real reason behind not wanting to use the terms Boomer and Sooner... Abraham Lincoln would be considered a major racist if held to today's standards so where do you stop? I guess my main annoyance is people continually looking issues to be upset about when no one that they're claiming should be upset about them... are actually upset about them.Edit - On my first post I wasn’t suggesting that you didn’t know the full history, I know that you do...but it’s clear some of the students behind movements like this one either don’t or are more interested in stirring up controversy and patting their “woke” selves on the back than presenting the whole story.

SoonerDave
12-03-2019, 03:40 PM
i’d be ecstatic if i never again heard “boomer” and/or “sooner”.

boomer sooner

SOONER8693
12-03-2019, 06:15 PM
i’d be ecstatic if i never again heard “boomer” and/or “sooner”.
boomer sooner!

mugofbeer
12-03-2019, 09:19 PM
You got us all. I didn't know that the land was UNASSIGNED. I really should learn more history.

Nobody is trying to minimize the hell American Indians were put through. Go back before all the forced movements and the Unassigned Lands and the Wichitas, Kiowas and Apaches were on those lands. Before 500, there wasn't much of anyone here but buffalo. Were just talking about 2 words.

DKG
12-04-2019, 08:58 AM
CFP rankings out and OU is still behind Utah. It will be interesting to see what the committee does if both teams win out. Anyone here think it would be better to win the Big 12 and not get the invite? Have a better chance at winning a bowl game? Or is it always better to make the Playoff so that there is at least a chance of winning it all? I vacillate between the two, but always seem to come down on the latter when the final decision is being made.

Also, did anyone look through their Sooner Club packet at all the facility improvements they are trying raise money for? Pretty impressive.

Pete
12-04-2019, 09:12 AM
Also, did anyone look through their Sooner Club packet at all the facility improvements they are trying raise money for? Pretty impressive.

I've seen the plans for renovations to the baseball stadium and a new softball stadium.

Was there more than that? If so, I'd be interested in the details.

FighttheGoodFight
12-04-2019, 09:40 AM
CFP rankings out and OU is still behind Utah. It will be interesting to see what the committee does if both teams win out. Anyone here think it would be better to win the Big 12 and not get the invite? Have a better chance at winning a bowl game? Or is it always better to make the Playoff so that there is at least a chance of winning it all? I vacillate between the two, but always seem to come down on the latter when the final decision is being made.

Also, did anyone look through their Sooner Club packet at all the facility improvements they are trying raise money for? Pretty impressive.

The Big 12 wants OU to go for sure. You get more money for the whole conference. That being said. LSU and Ohio State really look like they are on another level.

jedicurt
12-04-2019, 10:06 AM
The Big 12 wants OU to go for sure. You get more money for the whole conference. That being said. LSU and Ohio State really look like they are on another level.

or baylor... the Big 12 wants either OU or Baylor... and i honestly think that if Baylor wins they have the better argument for jumping Utah... their one loss would be to a top 10 team. Utahs would be to number 22 USC, and Oklahoma's would be to an unranked K-State...

remember that last year the committee basically said that the Reason OU got to go and OSU didn't was because our loss to Texas wasn't as bad as OSU losing to Purdue... the committee doesn't seem to care about who you beat, but who has the better loss. so based upon that, i could see that if Utah and Oklahoma both win, Utah goes. if Utah and Baylor win, Baylor goes.

i might be wrong, but that is the format that the committee laid out last year.

Jersey Boss
12-04-2019, 10:14 AM
If Georgia beats LSU all bets are off concerning the PAC 12 and Big 12. Georgia at 4 contradicts the worse loss theory as SC is inferior to both USC and KSU.

jedicurt
12-04-2019, 11:35 AM
If Georgia beats LSU all bets are off concerning the PAC 12 and Big 12. Georgia at 4 contradicts the worse loss theory as SC is inferior to both USC and KSU.

but SEC... they always get their love... it's the other conferences that have to abide by the hopes of the committee