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metro
10-11-2005, 08:30 AM
Development in Bricktown continues with hotel

By Steve Lackmeyer
The Oklahoman

Get ready for another growth spurt in Lower Bricktown, with construction of a $20 million Residence Inn starting next week, to be followed by new offices, shops, restaurants and for-sale condominiums.
Flintco started staging of the construction area last week along Reno Avenue, southeast of the SBC Bricktown Ballpark. Missouri developer John Q. Hammons, who built the nearby Renaissance Hotel and Courtyard by Marriott, promised Monday the Residence Inn won’t be his last downtown Oklahoma City project.

“I’m going to build an Embassy Suites,” Hammons said. “I’ve been negotiating with Urban Renewal for the last six months, and you’ll be hearing more about it within the next few weeks.”

The six-story Residence Inn will feature 150 rooms and a swimming pool and patio facing the Bricktown Canal. The hotel is expected to open by late next year. Hammons said his other downtown Oklahoma City hotels are performing “very well,” and he anticipates his investment in Oklahoma City will exceed $150 million.

Hammons wouldn’t disclose further details about the planned Embassy Suites. He said his addition of hotel rooms to downtown Oklahoma City will top 950 when he is finished.

Amcat, a company that sells call center technology, is among those anticipating the opening of the Residence Inn. Dudley Larus, vice president of marketing, said the Edmond company will move its 100 employees to the adjoining Sonic headquarters office building in January.

“It’s the right image for Amcat,” said Larus, whose customers travel from around the globe. “We want to take advantage of the energy that exists downtown. It’s a great way to show off Oklahoma City, with the vibrancy of all the shops and restaurants.”

The company’s lease for 10,000 square feet in the building’s first floor leaves only 5 percent vacant - and only two portions facing the canal available for restaurants or retail.

Initially, developers Randy Hogan and David Harper anticipated the entire first floor might be leased to shops and restaurants.

“I think there is still some possibility for retail,” said Harper, a leasing agent with Canal Properties LLC. “We have space that has a great patio outside and it’s directly across from the Toby Keith restaurant. But as we lease more office space, there is obviously less space for restaurants and retail.”

Two other retail buildings opened in conjunction with Harkins Theatres last year and are fully leased. Harper estimates about 5,500 square feet remain available in the Sonic building.

Hogan hopes that shortage of retail space will be addressed by a new five-story building to be built by Bricktown Entertainment LLC immediately west of the Centennial Fountain - the grand entry to Lower Bricktown.

Hogan said presales for the property’s 30 condominiums will start within the next month. The residences will range between 1,100 and 1,200 square feet, and will have enclosed parking. Sales prices are pending construction estimates being completed this month.

One retail tenant, whom Hogan would not identify, has signed a letter of intent to lease space on the building’s canal level and discussions are ongoing with several other shops and restaurants.

“We hope to start construction by year end,” Hogan said. “The interest level (in condominium sales) is high, but we need to firm up the costs and get about 10 presold.”

Pete
10-11-2005, 12:15 PM
It will be interesting to see how they price those small (1,100 - 1,200 square foot) condos.

Good to see this stuff getting closer!

metro
10-11-2005, 12:53 PM
Yeah, if the price is right, I'll be one of the first 10 they need. I'd prefer another part of downtown though

BG918
10-11-2005, 01:42 PM
Any renderings available for these two projects? I like that the hotel will be 6 stories, not the usual 4 for Residence Inn's. I wonder if any retail/restaurant space is planned for the hotel and condos?

John
10-11-2005, 01:46 PM
Urban Outfitters could be a possibility for the undisclosed tennant in Hogan's building.

I also wish that JQH was putting his Embassy Suites at the location of the Residence Inn. :(

Pete
10-11-2005, 01:52 PM
This is a rendering from the Lower Bricktown website (Building #1) although he's now talking about 5 stories rather than 3, which would probably account for the proposed 30 units, rather than the six shown here:

http://mysite.verizon.net/res17zef/lb.jpg

Luke
10-11-2005, 02:52 PM
I'll bet that's where Starbucks will go.

BDP
10-11-2005, 03:38 PM
He said his addition of hotel rooms to downtown Oklahoma City will top 950 when he is finished.

Anyone know what how many rooms there are at the Couryard and the Renaissance?

950 - (Courtyard + Renaissance + 150) = # of rooms at Embassy Suites.

vxt
10-11-2005, 03:50 PM
Urban Outfitters could be a possibility for the undisclosed tennant in Hogan's building.

I also wish that JQH was putting his Embassy Suites at the location of the Residence Inn. :(

Is this a strong possibility? I shopped urban outfitters website and it would be great if I could just go to the store.

Pete
10-11-2005, 03:55 PM
Renaissance has 311 and the Courtyard has 225, so feeding that into the equation means 264 rooms at the proposed Embassy Suites.

OKC Hotel Rooms (http://www.okccvb.org/hotel/hotel.php)

venture
10-11-2005, 04:02 PM
Noticed the work this past weekend in the Sonic building on the first floor, guess this answers that.

I agree that it would be better to see the Embassy Suites up on the canal by Bass Pro...but, perhaps it is what will help anchor the area down by the river. Now they just need to build a GameWorks and some other forms of entertainment down there. I enjoy my trips to catch a movie and eat every week, but I'm not much of a bar fly. :)

BDP
10-11-2005, 04:17 PM
so feeding that into the equation means 264 rooms at the proposed Embassy Suites.

Which would make it a decent sized hotel relative to our other hotels downtown. I think I like that it's not slated for lower bircktown. This kind of smaller suburban style RI hotel will fit in with lower bricktown, while maybe a more grander (and verticle) hotel will be a better fit elsewhere in downtown.

John
10-11-2005, 04:58 PM
Is this a strong possibility? I shopped urban outfitters website and it would be great if I could just go to the store.

In previous threads, different posters had emailed UO about an OKC location and the company said they wanted to enter the market and were looking for an ideal location... or something to that effect.

I don't see a more ideal location for them. Their demographic spends a lot of time (and money) in Bricktown, and I could see their shoppers hanging out there before and after visiting Harkins, etc.

BG918
10-11-2005, 05:12 PM
Maybe the Embassy Suites will be part of a revised Factory proposal on Sheridan? That would be a good location IMO, either that or the area by the existing U-Haul building. Both are near enough to the Ford Center and the rest of Bricktown and both sites wouldn't look out of place if this hotel is going to be 10+ stories like it sounds. Wouldn't it be awesome to have this be a mixed-use hotel/condo tower at say 20 stories? That would redefine the skyline!

jbrown84
10-11-2005, 08:51 PM
Good to hear the Embassy Suites is still happening. I agree it may be better suited elsewhere downtown. Perhaps the first hotel in the Arts District? Also good to see that they've upped the size of "building One". Five stories is a lot better than I expected. That will be taller than both the Harkins and the Sonic building.

metro
10-12-2005, 09:20 AM
I agree, I am however very disappointed at the design of the Residence Inn, the Oklahoman had a picture yesterday, it was wayyyyy suburban in style with a sea of parking yet again. Hogan has failed yet again

Pete
10-12-2005, 09:31 AM
Here's the pictures from the Oklahoman:

http://mysite.verizon.net/res17zef/lb2.jpg

http://mysite.verizon.net/res17zef/lb3.jpg

metro
10-12-2005, 09:35 AM
Just to clarify, the top picture, left top corner is the retail/residential project, the bottom is the Residence Inn

John
10-12-2005, 09:51 AM
Unless the top three floors of Hogan's new building in LB are a sand colored brick, how in the hell is he getting by with using that much stucco?

I think he should be required to go to the top in brick.

Dissapointing to say the least, on both projects.

floater
10-12-2005, 10:09 AM
Unless the top three floors of Hogan's new building in LB are a sand colored brick, how in the hell is he getting by with using that much stucco?

I think he should be required to go to the top in brick.

Dissapointing to say the least, on both projects.

The condo building disappoints, but it somehow mirrors Toby Keith's restaurant:

http://www.ilovethisbarandgrillokc.com//Main%20Gallery/June%202005/Toby38.jpg

The restaurant's curved gable at the top resembles the street-level arches of the condo building. The windows and stucco seem to match too.

The Inn at least has more brick than the original design had. But the structure looks too much like other Residence Inns for this one to be a Bricktown version.

Thanks for posting, Malibu.

russellc
10-12-2005, 11:47 AM
John, the reason he can get away with that much stucco is because it isn't in the bricktown design district. The district is only north of Reno, which is why everything south of there looks like crap and doesn't fit in with "brick"town. There is minimal to no brick on: Toby Keith's, Bass Pro, Harkins . . .

floater
10-12-2005, 12:00 PM
As we posted earlier, Urban Renewal arbitrarily governs design since they own the land -- not according to any codes, but to their own subjective authority. They said "more brick" the first time designs were presented, and I guess where sated this time.

BG918
10-12-2005, 12:11 PM
Where is this building going to be situated on its site? Will the parking face the canal or (hopefully) will the "back" of the hotel face the canal with the parking in front by Bass Pro? It would be nice if the hotel is indeed right on the canal to have some retail/restaurant space at that level as well, maybe an adjacent pool? Keep the lobby, check-in, parking etc. on the Bass Pro side.

http://mysite.verizon.net/res17zef/lb3.jpg

And I agree, way too much stucco. Those buildings should be all brick and glass, no exceptions! This is BRICKtown after all! Good to see multi-story development though and at least some density.

mranderson
10-12-2005, 12:15 PM
Are you saying the reddish-brown part is stucco? It could be brick. Elevation drawings rarely look like the finished product.

If it is brick, the stucco looks fine.

BDP
10-12-2005, 01:27 PM
This is BRICKtown after all!

That concept is dead to lower bricktown. It was the developers vision to recreate memorial road in bricktown and that is what they have done. The Residence Inn, as ugly as it is, is a perfect fit for the LB development.

But we only have our city council to blame for this aesthetic. Who can blame a developer for not giving a crap or not being concious of their deveolpments after we publically financed the ugliest, if not the hokiest, building on the block?

It's an effective developmet that draws a lot of traffic that just doesn't fit the area. It's time to write it off as not a part of Bricktown. It's really just an adjacent development that was built due to the success of bricktown, but without any respect to it.

I don't mind the stucco per se, as even the brick buildings don't look like anything in bricktown. From the rendering, I think the building one looks fine, nothing special, but fine. I think the Residence Inn looks like the cookie cutter garbage you'd expect from a Residence Inn and the brick does nothing to help it. The brick may even serve only to mock it's bricktown counterparts.

I've never had a problem with no brick in Lower Bricktown, just the fact that it's 100% unoriginal and unappealing. The buildings with brick look no more a part of bricktown as do the ones without it. The brick buildings just look like some bland Edmond development that's trying to create character and failing.

In the end, maybe they'll be done with LB after the RI and interest in actually developing bricktown will begin again.

jbrown84
10-12-2005, 02:42 PM
Well the Residence Inn looks acceptable to me, however nothing exciting. All the other Residence Inns I've seen have been entirely stucco or siding. So the brick and the extra stories seems to be an upgrade. I would have loved to see something more original though. The other building looks okay, but it would be nice if it was all brick and had some towers or something to make it less plain. Really though, other than the lack of brick, it doesn't look that much different than the architecture used on JDM Place, which is in real Bricktown.

BG918
10-12-2005, 05:28 PM
Well you do have remember what Bricktown originally was: warehouses. The original Bricktown consists of 3-5 story brick box buildings, the new "lower" Bricktown consists of 3-6 story brick and stucco buildings. How you arrange these buildings with regards to street/canal level pedestrians is what matters the most, and it looks like these projects are fulfilling that need.

Any new developments in the "mixed-use" tower planned for the site adjacent to the ballpark? And what about TAP's new project at 4th and Central?

http://mysite.verizon.net/res17zef/brownstones.jpg

metro
10-13-2005, 09:21 AM
I've got some new announcements of projects and updates that have not been released that I will post on downtownguys website in a day or so.

BDP
10-13-2005, 10:22 AM
How you arrange these buildings with regards to street/canal level pedestrians is what matters the most,

I agree, but i think they've failed on that front too. The fountain plaza is good, but the east end of the development and the canal is surrounded by maybe a few feet of grass and then it's all parking lot.

Patrick
10-14-2005, 03:08 PM
To answer someone's question, the parking will face Reno, the hotel will face the canal. Hoooray! The hotel will be separated from the by a patio and pool.

Also, Hammons originally wanted to build a 10 story Embassy Suites on that space with convention space and all. Problem is, he would have to strike a deal with the Oklahoma Redhawks to lease space across the street to build a parking garage. The Redhawks obviously have a development of their own planned for that land, thus Hammons had to downscale the project to a 6 story Residence Inn. At least it will face the canal and parking will be on the street side.

Still, I think the city (or a private company) needs to use the option they have on the Bass Pro parking lot to build a parking garage, and then open up all of the surface lots along the canal for development.

I'm thinking the Embassy Suites will still be in Bricktown, on Urban Renewal land, although I'm not exactly sure where yet. That's the rumor, anyhow. Since it will be on Urban Renewal land I highly doubt it would be on the old Factory site.

metro
10-14-2005, 03:34 PM
My money is on Embassy Suites in the CBD or River

BDP
10-14-2005, 03:49 PM
Still, I think the city (or a private company) needs to use the option they have on the Bass Pro parking lot to build a parking garage, and then open up all of the surface lots along the canal for development.

Good idea. Would BP allow that to happen, as it would cover up their storefront facing all the action?

jbrown84
10-14-2005, 11:14 PM
Yeah I'm sure they would.

I would really love to see the Embassy Suites in the CBD or the Arts District. I don't think we're ready for a major hotel on the river. It's still too separated from downtown and bricktown. Do people really want to drive through the so-called "I-40 Expansion Area" to get to their hotel?

BG918
10-15-2005, 01:44 PM
The "I-40 expansion area" will be a great urban mixed-use residential/retail district...about 10-15 years from now. Once the highway is moved that area will start to develop.

I agree about the Embassy Suites by the Arts District. Wouldn't it be great if it also had condos, making it downtown's newest condo tower? Near the Arts District by the library and the gardens would be a great site.

BDP
10-16-2005, 10:55 AM
Yeah I'm sure they would.

Why? Do they want more parking? That would be odd for any retailer to want to cover up their store frontage.

fromdust
10-16-2005, 10:57 AM
I've got some new announcements of projects and updates that have not been released that I will post on downtownguys website in a day or so.

i tried to go to downtown guys site. has it changed, because it pops up not found.

metro
10-17-2005, 07:07 AM
i know, i'm not sure if he is still going to post my article or not, if not i will just post it on here

okrednk
10-17-2005, 09:49 AM
Please post Metro, I am curious as to what you have to say on the development news.

metro
10-17-2005, 09:50 AM
I'm giving downtownguy till noon to post my reply or at least email me the status of him posting, otherwise I will post on here

okrednk
10-17-2005, 09:54 AM
Sounds good. I would still like to know later, if you don't mind. The computer system won't allow me to access downtown's blog, a government block.