This is horrific..... I can't understand what makes people do this.


(CNN)Authorities in San Bernardino, California, responded Wednesday to reports of an active shooter or more than one shooter.

There were reports from the sheriff's department that there were one to three suspects. The fire department said it was responding to a "20 victim shooting incident."


• Loma Linda University Medical Center is expecting an unknown number of patients from the shooting, spokeswoman Briana Pastorino said. She said the extent of the anticipated patients' injuries is not clear.

• A woman who works at a building where the shootings occurred texted her father, Terry Pettit: "Shooting at my work. People shot." Pettit told CNN affiliate KABC his daughter told him 10 to 20 people were shot.

• KABC reported that the shooting took place at Inland Regional Center, a facility for people with developmental disabilities.

Inland Regional Center's Facebook page says it employs nearly 670 staff at its facilities in San Bernardino and Riverside counties, providing services to more than 30,200 people.

It aims to "work on a personal, one-on-one basis with people with developmental disabilities to make their lives better as they define it."

No information is yet available on how many people were at the facility at the time of the shooting.

"Today, December 2, is the 336th day of the year; with today's shooting, we are (at least) at 352 mass shootings."

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"A shining city on a hill," R. Reagan. (illuminated by gunfire.)

Who in the hell would choose a facility that helps people with developmental disabilities. If/when they catch these turds I'm all for a public execution posthaste.

Watching the news... they may have caught them.

Here is a live scanner feed from S.B.P.D.
https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

Who in the hell would choose a facility that helps people with developmental disabilities. If/when they catch these turds I'm all for a public execution posthaste.

Someone who is very messed up in the head.

"Today, December 2, is the 336th day of the year; with today's shooting, we are (at least) at 352 mass shootings."

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Where are all the law abiding gun owners in this country to stop all the mass shootings?

http://heyjackass.com/

Most of them all took place in one state........ Oh with them toughest gun laws.

Syed Farook sounds like a white Christian..... How many times would a disgruntled employee talk is brother and wife into going on a gun rampage???? It wouldn't happen.

Syed Farook sounds like a white Christian..... How many times would a disgruntled employee talk is brother and wife into going on a gun rampage???? It wouldn't happen.

"Workplace violence"

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Most of them all took place in one state........ Oh with them toughest gun laws.

Florida with lax laws is #1. Until there are shakedowns upon crossing a state line in this country those tough laws are ineffective. Kind of like a swimming pool that has no chlorine in the deep end. The numbers of the mass shootings by the way would be more relevant on a per capita basis.
Bustle (http://www.bustle.com/articles/126674-the-5-states-with-the-most-mass-shootings-)

Florida with lax laws is #1. Until there are shakedowns upon crossing a state line in this country those tough laws are ineffective. Kind of like a swimming pool that has no chlorine in the deep end. The numbers of the mass shootings by the way would be more relevant on a per capita basis.
Bustle (http://www.bustle.com/articles/126674-the-5-states-with-the-most-mass-shootings-)
Those are basically the most populous states. Face it. Violence is happening everywhere for different reasons. You could make the arguement that more kids are carrying weapons, committing crimes and daring police to take action. They are emboldened because video catching the UN-just actions against minorities and are now afraid to take any forceful action for fear of media lynching. God help any policeman who has to shoot a minority now.

Amazed and elated that a major publication had the balls to put this on their cover.

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/cheats/2015/12/02/daily-news-slams-gop-on-san-bernardino/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/48303639.cached.jpg

We don't just need prayers, we need to actually do something about this.

Those are basically the most populous states. Face it. Violence is happening everywhere for different reasons. You could make the arguement that more kids are carrying weapons, committing crimes and daring police to take action. They are emboldened because video catching the UN-just actions against minorities and are now afraid to take any forceful action for fear of media lynching. God help any policeman who has to shoot a minority now.

I have seen enough of unarmed minorities killed by the police to know better. The more videos catching alleged cop murderers like in Chicago, Cleveland and South Carolina which result in convictions the better. Previous to the videos you had Prosecutors who could sweep these away by giving the police a free pass.

I agree that bad apples must be removed. As I said on another thread, 16 shots could kill a buffalo. There are other ways to stop a person including tazers. At the same time, we getting to the point where thugs run amok shooting without fear because the police don't want to risk their careers if the feel they have to shoot. We're going to get to the point where no one is going to want to be a police officer. Its just not worth the risk of prosecution.

LA Times reporting #SanBernadino police just released the name of another suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatari citizen.

Also Syed's own brother in law was in shock and stunned his BIL could do this. That's absolutely terrifying.

Someone's own family member didn't even know they had an extremist family member.

The world is ablaze in terrorism and the president is running around crying about the carbon from it. This is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better.

"This is horrific..... I can't understand what makes people do this."

That's a good thing Kelroy, it means you are a sane and compassionate person. As everyone else here is.

Yeah! Let another 20 or 30 thousand in! We cant vette people's mental health before they buy guns, yet the government thinks it can vette tens of thousands for their religious sanity staye of mind?

The two dead had go/bug out bags, go pro cameras and pipe bombs. This was a planned terror attack.

The two dead had go/bug out bags, go pro cameras and pipe bombs. This was a planned terror attack.

Did he mumble anything about baby parts, if so that would clear a lot of things up.

This incident has to have been fabricated because it is illegal in California to own the firearms the perpetrators allegedly used.

Did he mumble anything about baby parts, if so that would clear a lot of things up.

It was a mile a way from a Planned Parenthood........

Whoa nellie, I felt a trembler from all the conclusion jumping...

Conspiracy theories start in three, two, one....

Amazed and elated that a major publication had the balls to put this on their cover.

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/cheats/2015/12/02/daily-news-slams-gop-on-san-bernardino/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/48303639.cached.jpg

We don't just need prayers, we need to actually do something about this.

Want To Know Why Politicians Only Offer 'Prayers' On Gun Violence? Follow The Money. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/politicians-gun-control-san-bernardino_565f7622e4b08e945fedffa0?utm_hp_ref=pol itics)

Yeah! Let another 20 or 30 thousand in! We cant vette people's mental health before they buy guns, yet the government thinks it can vette tens of thousands for their religious sanity staye of mind?

Are all Christians killers because the guy that shot up a PP in Colorado is Christian? Or how about these mass shootings by mostly non Muslims....

32 killed. On April 16, 2007, 23-year-old Virginia Tech student Seung-Hui Cho shot 32 people to death on the Blacksburg, Virginia, campus before killing himself. The dead included 27 students and five faculty members. Another 17 people were injured. Days after the shooting, the worst school shooting in the nation’s history, NBC News received a package from Cho that contained a video of him ranting about rich “brats” and complaining about being bullied.

27 killed. On Dec. 14, 2012, 20-year-old Adam Lanza killed 28 people, including himself, his mother, 20 elementary school kids and six school staff and faculty at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. Lanza suffered from extreme mental health issues that weren’t treated, and was preoccupied with violence, a report from state officials found. He also had easy access to weapons, the report said.

23 killed. On Oct. 16, 1991, A 35-year-old named George Hennard crashed his pickup through Luby’s Cafeteria, a packed restaurant in Killeen, Texas. He shot and killed 23 people before shooting and killing himself. Twenty-seven others were wounded. The Texas massacre is the deadliest shooting to not happen at a school in U.S. history. According to a former roommate, Hennard “hated blacks, Hispanics, gays. He said women were snakes.”

21 killed. On July 18, 1984, James Huberty, a 41-year-old former security guard who had lost his job, opened fire at a McDonald’s in San Ysidro, California, killing 21 employees and customers, including children. A police sniper killed him an hour after he started shooting.

18 killed. On Aug. 1, 1966, former U.S. Marine Charles Joseph Whitman, 25, killed his mother and wife, then went on top of a tower at University of Texas at Austin and killed 16 others. He also wounded at least 30. Whitman had complained of physical and mental health issues before the attack. He was then shot by a police officer. An autopsy after his death revealed he had a brain tumor, but it was not clear whether that had affected his actions.

14 killed. On Dec. 2, 2015, at least 14 people died and another 14 were hurt in an attack at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California, a state-run facility that provides services to people with developmentally disabled people and trains social workers who care for them. The killers remained on the run Wednesday afternoon.

14 killed. On Aug. 20, 1986, postman Patrick Henry Sherill killed 14 postal workers in Edmond, Oklahoma, and then killed himself with a shot to the head. The rampage came a week after two supervisors reprimanded him for lousy performance.

13 killed. On April 20, 1999, students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, killed 12 other students and a teacher at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado. Two dozen were injured. They then killed themselves in the school’s library. In journal entries, the high school seniors had written about a desire to imitate events such as the Oklahoma City bombing.

13 killed. On Nov. 5, 2009, Mad. Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, killed 13 people and injured 32 others at Fort Hood, Texas. The massacre prompted the Army to come up with a list of 78 recommendations for Fort Hood to identify the potential for violent behavior among its soldiers. Hasan has been sentenced to death.

13 killed. On April 3, 2009, in Binghamton, New York, 41-year-old Jiverly Wong, an immigrant, killed 13 people and injured four others at an immigrant services center before killing himself. President Obama called the shootings “an act of senseless violence.”

13 killed. On Feb. 18, 1983, three robbers at the Wah Mee gambling club in Seattle killed 13 people. Kwan Fai Mak and Benjamin Ng were convicted of murder later that year and are serving life sentences; Wai-Chu Ng was deported to Hong Kong last year.

12 killed. On July 20, 2012, 24-year-old James Holmes sprayed bullets on a midnight screening of the new Batman movie at a theater in Aurora, Colorado. In addition to the 12 killed, 58 were wounded. Defense attorneys tried unsuccessfully to argue that he was insane at the time of the attack; he was sentenced to life in prison in August.

12 killed. On Sept. 16, 2013, a 34-year-old named Aaron Alexis opened fire inside the Washington Navy Yard, killing 12. The former Navy reservist died in a gun battle with police.

^Whataboutism.

http://images.dailykos.com/images/182623/large/Mass_shooting_sign.jpg?1449093212

We talk about gun control, and I agree there some things that could be changed. But most European countries have pretty strict controls, and that didn't help Paris. There are more problems to be solved than simply guns.

See thread move to politics in 3, 2, 1, ...

Or the fact the Constitution protects ownership and a huge number of people hold and own them and believe VERY strongly in their right to own them. Here is one of EO's conspiracy theories.

Or the fact the Constitution protects ownership and a huge number of people hold and own them and believe VERY strongly in their right to own them. Here is one of EO's conspiracy theories.

But we still have laws on who can and can't have a gun so ownership isn't that protected.

Are all Christians killers because the guy that shot up a PP in Colorado is Christian? Or how about these mass shootings by mostly non Muslims....

32 killed. On April 16, 2007, 23-year-old Virginia Tech student Seung-Hui Cho shot 32 people to death on the Blacksburg, Virginia, campus before killing himself. The dead included 27 students and five faculty members. Another 17 people were injured. Days after the shooting, the worst school shooting in the nation’s history, NBC News received a package from Cho that contained a video of him ranting about rich “brats” and complaining about being bullied.

27 killed. On Dec. 14, 2012, 20-year-old Adam Lanza killed 28 people, including himself, his mother, 20 elementary school kids and six school staff and faculty at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. Lanza suffered from extreme mental health issues that weren’t treated, and was preoccupied with violence, a report from state officials found. He also had easy access to weapons, the report said.

23 killed. On Oct. 16, 1991, A 35-year-old named George Hennard crashed his pickup through Luby’s Cafeteria, a packed restaurant in Killeen, Texas. He shot and killed 23 people before shooting and killing himself. Twenty-seven others were wounded. The Texas massacre is the deadliest shooting to not happen at a school in U.S. history. According to a former roommate, Hennard “hated blacks, Hispanics, gays. He said women were snakes.”

21 killed. On July 18, 1984, James Huberty, a 41-year-old former security guard who had lost his job, opened fire at a McDonald’s in San Ysidro, California, killing 21 employees and customers, including children. A police sniper killed him an hour after he started shooting.

Etc, etc.

No one said this particular group is solely responsible for the mass killings. However, just as it is insane to think guns should be freely available without background checks, it is also insane to let tens of thousands from a hotbed of Islamist - fascism and a religion that simply has a very hard time co-existing with other faiths without knowledge of who the entrants are. If they want to take a cue from Obama and only let in women and elderly, I have no problem with that. Young, unattatched males? No, unless they have a very good idea of who they are.

Or the fact the Constitution protects ownership and a huge number of people hold and own them and believe VERY strongly in their right to own them. Here is one of EO's conspiracy theories.

The mention of conspiracy theories is not in and of itself a conspiracy theory. But, whatever makes people feel better.

There seems to be a mass of finger pointers making highly speculative claims with no basis in fact other than "terrorist sounding names."

Such as the suggestion that the President should have cancelled the climate meetings to do something. What would that something be? Declare war on California? The dude is a US born citizen. SHould the military be mobilized to invade San Bernadino or are we just going to pick an uninvolved middle-eastern country again?

How about we invade Djibouti this time? They're our allies, but they're small so we could probably whip'em easily enough.

No one said this particular group is solely responsible for the mass killings. However, just as it is insane to think guns should be freely available without background checks, it is also insane to let tens of thousands from a hotbed of Islamist - fascism and a religion that simply has a very hard time co-existing with other faiths without knowledge of who the entrants are. If they want to take a cue from Obama and only let in women and elderly, I have no problem with that. Young, unattatched males? No, unless they have a very good idea of who they are.

Those young males are a tiny percentage, and the process takes years. Literally. Very, very, very, few get in. If I wanted to commit a terrorist attack, it would be easier to get a visa or sneak over the Mexican border. Going through the refugee process would be the stupidest and slowest way to attack the US.

We talk about gun control, and I agree there some things that could be changed. But most European countries have pretty strict controls, and that didn't help Paris. There are more problems to be solved than simply guns.

See thread move to politics in 3, 2, 1, ...
Agreed with it not helping Paris Jerry. However with a mass shooting everyday there is no other developed country that experiences this carnage. I also agree there are more problems to be solved than simply guns. The stranglehold lobbies have on public policy debate in this country is something the majority should not tolerate.

Those young males are a tiny percentage, and the process takes years. Literally. Very, very, very, few get in. If I wanted to commit a terrorist attack, it would be easier to get a visa or sneak over the Mexican border. Going through the refugee process would be the stupidest and slowest way to attack the US.

Excellent point. After the hijackings on 9/11/2001 happened I never saw any campaign by politicians of either party or state governors of either party propose that students from Saudi Arabia be banned from attending school in the USA.

Those young males are a tiny percentage, and the process takes years. Literally. Very, very, very, few get in. If I wanted to commit a terrorist attack, it would be easier to get a visa or sneak over the Mexican border. Going through the refugee process would be the stupidest and slowest way to attack the US.

Obama has pledged to allow 10,000 refugees from Syria in next year. That's not a "years' long" process. They have already proven to have infiltrated the mass refugee move into Europe. There have already been undocumented and unknown Syrians caught in Central America an on the southern border in recent weeks. Burying your head in the sand is not going to solve the problem. Look at the damage one couple did yesterday. That "tiny percentage" you speak of is a larger percentage than you indicate from the sheer numbers that went to Europe but that tiny percentage can do a lot of damage if radicalized. Unfortunately, its like trying to tell the difference between our regular honeybees and killer bees. As the paper indicated. God isn't going to resolve this situation and praying isn't going to help. Action has to be taken and action sometimes is distasteful. Letting refugees in without a full and complete vetting process which has still not been outlined by the O administration is, to use your words, stupid. Even many of your fellow Dems are not in support.

Obama has pledged to allow 10,000 refugees from Syria in next year. That's not a "years' long" process.

The civil war in Syria has been ongoing for about five years now, so many of these refugees in question may have been in line for quite a while. I'm not arguing for or against, just saying that the quoted logic doesn't stand outside of a thought vacuum without complete information about the history of the group in question.

Excellent point. After the hijackings on 9/11/2001 happened I never saw any campaign by politicians of either party or state governors of either party propose that students from Saudi Arabia be banned from attending school in the USA.

Neither was Saudi Arabia an official antagonist of the US, in a state of total chaos, half destroyed, imploding in upon itself and devoid of any control or information about the students entering the country. Totally different situation.

Some of you need to pull your heads out of your asses regarding Muslim terrorism because it is getting real hard to take you serious on every other issue.

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No one said this particular group is solely responsible for the mass killings. However, just as it is insane to think guns should be freely available without background checks, it is also insane to let tens of thousands from a hotbed of Islamist - fascism and a religion that simply has a very hard time co-existing with other faiths without knowledge of who the entrants are. If they want to take a cue from Obama and only let in women and elderly, I have no problem with that. Young, unattatched males? No, unless they have a very good idea of who they are.

The refugees are being vetted a lot better than anyone who wants to go buy a gun. The poster I replied to, and you did too, made it sound like the refugees were Islamic terrorists when in fact they are families displaced by war. I choose not to live in fear of little kids.

Some of you need to pull your heads out of your asses regarding Muslim terrorism because it is getting real hard to take you serious on every other issue.

How about Christian terrorism? That happens in this country more than Islamic Terrorism. It's hard to take you serious when you only comment on one kind.

How about Christian terrorism? That happens in this country more than Islamic Terrorism. It's hard to take you serious when you only comment on one kind.

Christian terrorist are mentally ill. Muslim terrorist are not mentally ill. If you can't tell the difference you have a serious defect.

We'll never stop mass shootings in this country.

Either everyone carries a gun (like a nuclear deterrent) or nobody carries a gun (there's currently 300+ million of them).

Since the pro 2nd amendment would start a civil war if the government ever tried to come and take them, the only other option is to let everyone carry, but that will never happen as well because the anti-gun side will never allow it.

Unstoppable force meet unmovable object.

I know it sounds hopeless, and that's because it basically is. And if you think oh we can change their minds, no you can't. It's a core belief on both sides.

The country would have been off had we followed the lead of Canada and Australia and remained under the Crown.

Internment camps are coming , Bubbas getting restless and isn't going to put up with this crap much longer.

They left behind a very young child to do this act. They are hard to deal with because we can not understand that way of thinking. I have no answer or scathing statement. Just sorrow in my heart and fear fro my Grandkids future.

Internment camps are coming , Bubbas getting restless and isn't going to put up with this crap much longer.

Wow, do I know you? Almost this exact terminology was spoken to me in the last couple of weeks by a guy whose background makes him someone I listen to quite closely.

Internment camps are coming , Bubbas getting restless and isn't going to put up with this crap much longer.

Not to justify bubba

But if Syed's own brother in law doesn't know he's a radical, how else do you solve it?

The non extremist Muslims in this country and around the world need to get a grip on it. The rhetoric will turn into f all Muslims before long.

People are going off the rails. "Bubbas getting restless" and people think this is a good thing?"

"Hold my beer, watch me go and git me a terrorist..."

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Christian terrorist are mentally ill. Muslim terrorist are not mentally ill. If you can't tell the difference you have a serious defect.

Oh I see. Christian terrorists are different because they are mentally ill.... Gotcha

Wow, do I know you? Almost this exact terminology was spoken to me in the last couple of weeks by a guy whose background makes him someone I listen to quite closely.

Someone the Feds should be watching?

How about Christian terrorism? That happens in this country more than Islamic Terrorism. It's hard to take you serious when you only comment on one kind.

Not to sure about this statement - over 3,000 died on 9/11 alone...

Wow, do I know you? Almost this exact terminology was spoken to me in the last couple of weeks by a guy whose background makes him someone I listen to quite closely.

The whole internment camps thing seems impossible until you remember that so many especially on the left hold FDR upbas one of the, if not the, greatest presidents in history. Give folks a new entitlement and they'll ignore atrocities like internment camps and kicking off the nuclear age. The first step is covered, so....

Internment camps would be the best possible way to generate actual mass religious violence in this country. If you think what just happened in San Bernardino was bad, see what happens when you try to stick 2.595 million american citizens in concentration camps.

Kelroy, EO, etc...you are smart enough to be able to tell the difference between the killers in Planned Parenthood offices, schools or movie theaters vs. radical Islam. Most of the cases you listed earlier were simply mental cases who had nothing to do with the Christian religion. I suspect the PP guy will turn out to have some religious foundation but considering the undisputable fact that an abortion is killing a baby human, one can see a purely moral basis, too ( be clear that I don't condone this and believe abortion is a regrettable necessity at times). However, few, if any of the school shooter or business shooters you listed had any sort of Christian religious background. No organized or legitimate Christian group has condoned random mass killings and no organized Christian group has carried out the mass killings of recent years. The only major incidences will be those isolated apocalyptic groups who kept their deaths within the groups. Islamist terrorists, conversely, are very organised and are widely accepted in certain areas of the world, now, including Syria. You seem to be lumping all killers with Anglo-sounding names into the "Christian" pot when virtually all can been tied to mental illness and have zero religious foundation. When someone says they are Jesus Christ then kills somebody, thats likely mental illness, not some sort of radicalized Christianist. Just because the killers name is Jim Smith doesn't mean his act has anything to do with Christianity.

Someone the Feds should be watching?

Not at all. Quite the opposite actually. It was a prediction, not something he was advocating.

Not at all. Quite the opposite actually.

So, he should be watching the Feds?