Sorry if this has been posted anywhere else, but thought this is where the thread should go.

U.S. dentist wanted for killing Cecil the lion - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/africa/zimbabwe-lion-killed/)

Yeah, I don't understand big game tourism. I don't have a problem with hunting in general, especially for food, and when used to help maintain population levels (such as deer hunting). But this type of sport hunting where it's just about collecting trophies makes me ill.

Jimmy Kimmel Gets Choked Up About Cecil the Lion: Video - Us Weekly (http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jimmy-kimmel-gets-choked-up-about-cecil-the-lion-video-2015297)

In The Annals of Assholism, this clown should receive special recognition. What a dick.

Yeah, I don't understand big game tourism. I don't have a problem with hunting in general, especially for food, and when used to help maintain population levels (such as deer hunting). But this type of sport hunting where it's just about collecting trophies makes me ill.

Especially when the guides on this hunt lured him out of his protected habitat and then tried to destroy it's tracking device.

Based on his statement, I'm not sure this guy realizes what trouble he is in.

Assuming that the current story in the media is true, he could be tried for violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act for essentially bribing someone to commit a crime. Also, Zimbabwe is one of the few countries that has an extradition agreement with the US. And if I am not mistaken, he is on probation in Wisconsin for poaching there as well; this is clearly a violation of that.

If something good comes out of this, I hope this is the beginning of the end of big game hunting in some of these countries.

Jimmy Kimmel Gets Choked Up About Cecil the Lion: Video - Us Weekly (http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jimmy-kimmel-gets-choked-up-about-cecil-the-lion-video-2015297)

You beat me to it:

https://youtu.be/_LzXpE1mjqA

Im glad to see the above posters be able to properly differentiate between hunting typical midwest animals for reasons like food or population control verses paying $50k to some African guides to bait, lure, spotlight and easily shoot an animal whose population is in decline and doesnt even provide you with food. Only a giant rug and a head to hang on your wall so that you can feel like a cool individual. What this dentist did isnt hunting and is quite disgusting.

Hopefully this story causes others that are thinking of paying a ton of money to shoot an African animal to reconsider.

I don't care what kind of animal it is - killing for fun is a sick 'hobby' and a sign of a mental disorder. People like this should be barred from owning any weapons - period.

Yeah, I don't understand big game tourism. I don't have a problem with hunting in general, especially for food, and when used to help maintain population levels (such as deer hunting). But this type of sport hunting where it's just about collecting trophies makes me ill.

Couldn't agree more. I have zero issues with hunting but stuff like this makes me sick. Doing all that just to have this animal's head on your wall is crazy to me.

I do hope they expedite this, person, back to Zimbabwe to face charges. Cecil was socialized and was just wanting to say Hi. RIP Cecil.

My dad raised me that I clean/eat what I shoot/hunt. Wish more people lived by that.

Well there goes them bragging rights I assume. I'm usually a live and let live sort when it comes to humans killing animals but this incident rubbed me the wrong way. Here's hoping this little man gets his just deserts.

If you want to donate to the people who put the GPS collar on Cecil, here is the link.

https://secure.www.alumniconnections.com/olc/pub/UXF/onlinegiving/showGivingForm.jsp?form_id=382

Allocate your donation to "WildCRU"

Sad, sad, story. Jimmie Kimmel was being nice calling him a JackHole - imagine what he said off the air. Despicable story.

I don't care what kind of animal it is - killing for fun is a sick 'hobby' and a sign of a mental disorder. People like this should be barred from owning any weapons - period.

I'm not disagreeing with you, Kerry. I'm just wondering if you view bullfighting the same way.

Bullfighting should be banned, but we all know that won't happen.

It's ingrained in Spanish culture.

Bullfighting should be banned, but we all know that won't happen.

It's ingrained in Spanish culture.

I agree. I've been to one bullfight in Malaga, Spain. It was many years ago and I've had absolutely no desire to see another one.

Maybe Cecil's death will force change. The percentage of hunting of lions allowed per year is not proportional to sustaining their existence. Moral issues completely aside, they are being killed of incrementally on a 2% or more decline every year per several articles.

His tragedy might help slow or reverse the trend.

Couldn't agree more. I have zero issues with hunting but stuff like this makes me sick. Doing all that just to have this animal's head on your wall is crazy to me.

What exactly is the moral difference between hunting a lion for a trophy and hunting deer/elk/whatever to put antler trophies on your wall? Or to show off the giant fish that you caught? I agree with JTF in that hunters have mental disorders. With exceptions, most people hunt because they love it. That is sick.

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What exactly is the moral difference between hunting a lion for a trophy and hunting deer/elk/whatever to put antler trophies on your wall? Or to show off the giant fish that you caught? I agree with JTF in that hunters have mental disorders. With exceptions, most people hunt because they love it. That is sick.

Because if you hunt a deer you are a) probably going to consume the flesh and b) are hunting something legally, that's not in a declining population, and that needs population control to sustain their existence.

Because if you hunt a deer you are a) probably going to consume the flesh and b) are hunting something legally, that's not in a declining population, and that needs population control to sustain their existence.

I'm not talking about legality or population control. A lot of hunters just like to shoot things for the thrill of it. They justify the thrill of killing living animals by spouting out bs about population control.

Why do some people give this dentist so much crap for wanting an exotic trophy, and not give people crap for their antler trophies or bear rugs?

If hunters only cared about eating their prey and population control, they wouldn't show off their "trophies".

The internal response is interesting (doesn't change how I feel about this though).

?What lion?? Zimbabweans see Cecil?s demise as first-world problem (http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/what-lion-zimbabweans-see-cecil-s-demise-as-first-world-problem-1.2302206)

What exactly is the moral difference between hunting a lion for a trophy and hunting deer/elk/whatever to put antler trophies on your wall? Or to show off the giant fish that you caught? I agree with JTF in that hunters have mental disorders. With exceptions, most people hunt because they love it. That is sick.

Found the vegan.

There's a massive difference between hunting for food and population management, and hunting for the sake of hunting. If you don't see the difference, you're actively trying not to.

In many places, deer, elk and whatever no longer have enough natural predetors to keep the populations under control so hunting is necessay to prevent diseases. My neighborhood is overrun with rabbits because we dont seem to have any foxes or coyotes. They carry diseases if there are too many such as plague. Read up on Wildlife management.

One of the things that angers me the most about this is the guy paid someone to murder this animal. He was too ***** to go and do it himself. I hope he gets extradited and as punishment gets fed to the lions.

Oh what a magnificent creature. Let's kill it.

I hope he gets extradited and as punishment gets fed to the lions.

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Found the vegan.

There's a massive difference between hunting for food and population management, and hunting for the sake of hunting. If you don't see the difference, you're actively trying not to.

I'm no vegan. I have eaten beef or chicken every day for as long as I can remember. Every hunter I know talks about how addictive it is and every single one of them talks about their "trophies". Every single one of them also justifies their sick fetish by spouting off their population control bs. Crazy people with guns that like to shoot defenseless animals because they think it is fun.
But, "population control" and what not....

Why don't we go to India and China and start randomly shooting people? Seriously, let's find all of the diseased and elderly. You cannot deny that doing that will make for a more sustainable population.

I'm no vegan. I have eaten beef or chicken every day for as long as I can remember. Every hunter I know talks about how addictive it is and every single one of them talks about their "trophies". Every single one of them also justifies their sick fetish by spouting off their population control bs. Crazy people with guns that like to shoot defenseless animals because they think it is fun.
But, "population control" and what not....

Why don't we go to India and China and start randomly shooting people? Seriously, let's find all of the diseased and elderly. You cannot deny that doing that will make for a more sustainable population.

Welcome to the site. I see you're new here, and I think new blood is good. That being said, this kind of hyperbole is not productive. If you're OK eating chickens that are pumped full of steroids, have their legs broken, and are kept in cages until they're slaughtered, and are upset about folks going out and hunting deer, I see a big disconnect. I know multiple folks who food supply/survival/sustainability depends on hunting. I myself get a good supply of my meat from friends who hunt and provide me deer meat. I'm lucky to have a large freezer in the garage. I don't hunt myself, but that's due to my own squeamishness. But I don't begrudge legal hunting, and deer hunting in the US is essential to the survival of the species. The same happens (not as regularly) with wolves, and other species.

In many places, deer, elk and whatever no longer have enough natural predetors to keep the populations under control so hunting is necessay to prevent diseases. My neighborhood is overrun with rabbits because we dont seem to have any foxes or coyotes. They carry diseases if there are too many such as plague. Read up on Wildlife management.

There's a difference between legitimate population control, hunting for food, and baiting a threatened species out of a protected park and killing it for a decoration.

There's a difference between legitimate population control, hunting for food, and baiting a threatened species out of a protected park and killing it for a decoration.

The situation--and the reason for my disgust at this "Great White Hunter"--could not have been more clearly expressed. Thank you.

Deer 1 bow hunter 0. Full disclosure, I've hunted and fished but I ate what I killed. I don't do either any more but I still eat meat. I might quit that too one day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6iJ450Y4U0

I'm not disagreeing with you, Kerry. I'm just wondering if you view bullfighting the same way.

Absolutely! I am not thrilled about the running of the bulls in Pamplona, Spain. They are killed at the end of their run also.

Absolutely! I am not thrilled about the running of the bulls in Pamplona, Spain. They are killed at the end of their run also.

Really?

Yes, the bulls are stabbed to death when they reach the end. They never show that part on TV.

Yes, the bulls are stabbed to death when they reach the end. They never show that part on TV.

just to be a bit more precise, the run directs the bulls to the ring where they later take place in a bullfight. it's in that bullfight that they meet their bovine maker. -M

So big game joy killer Walter James Palmer belongs to Safari Club International. SCI maintains a list of big game joy kills by their 50,000 members. Cabelas and Bass Pro both sponsor the Big Game Joy Kill Recordbook list.

Safari Club International (http://www.scifirstforhunters.org/recordbook)

Yes, the bulls are stabbed to death when they reach the end. They never show that part on TV.


just to be a bit more precise, the run directs the bulls to the ring where they later take place in a bullfight. it's in that bullfight that they meet their bovine maker. -M

I will now start cheering for the bulls during the run and in the ring even harder.

I may not be translating this right, but I think the guy may have been saying -
'And after I was knocked down the third time, I swear that buck was saying stay down cammo boy, I gots your deer meat for you right here.'


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6iJ450Y4U0

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I remember when that video first appeared. That moron had covered himself in deer lure (which likely included deer urine and/or estrous). The funny/scary part (scary because his life was truly at risk) is that his wife was taping and never put down the video camera to help once her idiot husband was in real trouble. She just kept on taping...

Society can only hope is that as a couple they were infertile.

10-Facts-you-didnt-know-about-Minnesota-dentist-Walter-Palmer (http://sadmenforlonelywomen.com/2015/08/01/10-facts-you-didnt-know-about-minnesota-dentist-walter-palmer/)

One of the things that angers me the most about this is the guy paid someone to murder this animal. He was too ***** to go and do it himself. I hope he gets extradited and as punishment gets fed to the lions.

I wonder if the $50,000 killing fee went straight to that country's dictator.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html

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I remember when that video first appeared. That moron had covered himself in deer lure (which likely included deer urine and/or estrous). The funny/scary part (scary because his life was truly at risk) is that his wife was taping and never put down the video camera to help once her idiot husband was in real trouble.

Society can only hope is that as a couple they were infertile.

This is the long version of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khKrd1RNy2U


She just kept on taping...

"Honey, I know the deer is about to kill you but this is Youtube gold! (and I told you so.)" (< not actually spoken out loud by her.)

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"Honey, I know the deer is about to kill you but this is Youtube gold! ...

Maybe this is how it feels to be the quiet, slight of build, sober guy in a bar near closing time. You just stand and watch, amazed and weirded out at the same time.

There's a difference between legitimate population control, hunting for food, and baiting a threatened species out of a protected park and killing it for a decoration.

I'm in agreement with you. I'm making my point to people who think all hunting in general should be banned and dont understand that overpopulation of species where natural predators dont exist is a far worse situation. Chronic wasting disease has been a problem with elk and other deer species in Colorado because some areas had too many of them. Someone earlier sarcastically suggested we go shooting people where there is overpopulation. He/she inadvertently proved my point because disease can ravish poor, overpopulated areas of humans. Ebola is a good example.