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okatty
07-18-2015, 01:04 PM
Curious if anyone else has read and has views on Harper Lee's recently release book. Below is the NY Times take which I tend to agree with having finished the book late last night. I loved Mockingbird both as a book and movie. Studied and wrote about it in law school Ethics/Prof Resp class even. I think i get the concept of the views we have as kids of our parents and how those views can tend to change as we age -.for good and bad on various fronts. Anyway, hope others have or will read and would enjoy your take.

We remember Atticus Finch in Harper Lee’s 1960 classic, “To Kill a Mockingbird,” as that novel’s moral conscience: kind, wise, honorable, an avatar of integrity who used his gifts as a lawyer to defend a black man falsely accused of raping a white woman in a small Alabama town filled with prejudice and hatred in the 1930s. As indelibly played by Gregory Peck in the 1962 movie, he was the perfect man — the ideal father and a principled idealist, an enlightened, almost saintly believer in justice and fairness. In real life, people named their children after Atticus. People went to law school and became lawyers because of Atticus.
Shockingly, in Ms. Lee’s long-awaited novel, “Go Set a Watchman” (due out Tuesday), Atticus is a racist who once attended a Klan meeting, who says things like “The Negroes down here are still in their childhood as a people.” Or asks his daughter: “Do you want Negroes by the carload in our schools and churches and theaters? Do you want them in our world?”
In “Mockingbird,” a book once described by Oprah Winfrey as “our national novel,” Atticus praised American courts as “the great levelers,” dedicated to the proposition that “all men are created equal.” In “Watchman,” set in the 1950s in the era of the Brown v. Board of Education decision, he denounces the Supreme Court, says he wants his home state “to be left alone to keep house without advice from the N.A.A.C.P.” and describes N.A.A.C.P.-paid lawyers as “standing around like buzzards.”
In “Mockingbird,” Atticus was a role model for his children, Scout and Jem — their North Star, their hero, the most potent moral force in their lives. In “Watchman,” he becomes the source of grievous pain and disillusionment for the 26-year-old Scout (or Jean Louise, as she’s now known).
While written in the third person, “Watchman” reflects a grown-up Scout’s point of view: The novel is the story of how she returns home to Maycomb, Ala., for a visit — from New York City, where she has been living — and tries to grapple with her dismaying realization that Atticus and her longtime boyfriend, Henry Clinton, both have abhorrent views on race and segregation.
Though “Watchman” is being published for the first time now, it was essentially an early version of “Mockingbird.” According to news accounts, “Watchman” was submitted to publishers in the summer of 1957; after her editor asked for a rewrite focusing on Scout’s girlhood two decades earlier, Ms. Lee spent some two years reworking the story, which became “Mockingbird.”
Some plot points that have become touchstones in “Mockingbird” are evident in the earlier “Watchman.” Scout’s older brother, Jem, vividly alive as a boy in “Mockingbird,” is dead in “Watchman”; the trial of a black man accused of raping a young white woman, while a main story line in “Mockingbird,” is only a passing aside in “Watchman.” (Interestingly, the trial results in a guilty verdict for the accused man, Tom Robinson, in “Mockingbird,” but leads to an acquittal in “Watchman.”)
Students of writing will find “Watchman” fascinating for these reasons: How did a lumpy tale about a young woman’s grief over her discovery of her father’s bigoted views evolve into a classic coming-of-age story about two children and their devoted widower father? How did a distressing narrative filled with characters spouting hate speech (from the casually patronizing to the disgustingly grotesque — and presumably meant to capture the extreme prejudice that could exist in small towns in the Deep South in the 1950s) mutate into a redemptive novel associated with the civil rights movement, hailed, in the words of the former civil rights activist and congressman Andrew Young, for giving us “a sense of emerging humanism and decency”?
How did a story about the discovery of evil views in a revered parent turn into a universal parable about the loss of innocence — both the inevitable loss of innocence that children experience in becoming aware of the complexities of grown-up life and a cruel world’s destruction of innocence (symbolized by the mockingbird and represented by Tom Robinson and the reclusive outsider Boo Radley)?
The depiction of Atticus in “Watchman” makes for disturbing reading, and for “Mockingbird” fans, it’s especially disorienting. Scout is shocked to find, during her trip home, that her beloved father, who taught her everything she knows about fairness and compassion, has been affiliating with raving anti-integration, anti-black crazies, and the reader shares her horror and confusion. How could the saintly Atticus — described early in the book in much the same terms as he is in “Mockingbird” — suddenly emerge as a bigot? Suggestions about changing times and the polarizing effects of the civil rights movement seem insufficient when it comes to explaining such a radical change, and the reader, like Scout, cannot help feeling baffled and distressed.
Though it lacks the lyricism of “Mockingbird,” the portions of “Watchman” dealing with Scout’s childhood and her adult romance with Henry capture the daily rhythms of life in a small town and are peppered with portraits of minor characters whose circumscribed lives can feel like Barbara Pym salted with some down-home American humor. And it reminds us that “Mockingbird,” the novel, was more concerned with the day-to-day texture of Scout and Jem’s lives and the world of Maycomb than “Mockingbird,” the movie, which focused more closely on Atticus and Tom Robinson’s trial.
The advice Ms. Lee received from her first editor was shrewd: to move the story back 20 years to Scout’s childhood, expanding what are flashbacks in “Watchman,” used to underscore the disillusionment Jean Louise feels with the present-day Atticus, now 72. (“I’ll never believe a word you say to me again. I despise you and everything you stand for.”) Scout’s disillusionment in “Watchman” oddly parallels that of Jem in “Mockingbird,” after Atticus fails to get Tom Robinson acquitted, and Jem realizes that justice does not always prevail.
Another pivotal difference between the two books concerns the decision to make Scout (“juvenile desperado, hell-raiser extraordinary”) the narrator of “Mockingbird” — a decision Ms. Lee executed with remarkable skill, managing the stereoscopic feat of capturing both the point of view of a forthright, wicked-smart girl (who is almost 6 when “Mockingbird” begins) and the retrospective wisdom of an adult.
Somewhere along the way, the overarching impulse behind the writing also seems to have changed. “Watchman” reads as if it were fueled by the alienation a native daughter — who, like Ms. Lee, moved away from small-town Alabama to New York City — might feel upon returning home. It seems to want to document the worst in Maycomb in terms of racial and class prejudice, the people’s enmity and hypocrisy and small-mindedness. At times, it also alarmingly suggests that the civil rights movement roiled things up, making people who “used to trust each other” now “watch each other like hawks.”
“Mockingbird,” in contrast, represents a determined effort to see both the bad and the good in small-town life, the hatred and the humanity; it presents an idealized father-daughter relationship (which a relative in “Watchman” suggests has kept Jean Louise from fully becoming her own person) and views the past not as something lost but as a treasured memory. In a 1963 interview, Ms. Lee, who now lives in her old hometown, Monroeville, Ala., said of “Mockingbird”: “The book is not an indictment so much as a plea for something, a reminder to people at home.”
One of the emotional through-lines in both “Mockingbird” and “Watchman” is a plea for empathy — as Atticus puts it in “Mockingbird” to Scout: “You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view.” The difference is that “Mockingbird” suggested that we should have compassion for outsiders like Boo and Tom Robinson, while “Watchman” asks us to have understanding for a bigot named Atticus.

Martin
07-18-2015, 03:32 PM
i'm cautious but will probably read this after re-reading mockingbird. i like what the onion had to say about the whole thing: Harper Lee Announces Third Novel, ?My Excellent Caretaker Deserves My Entire Fortune? - The Onion - America's Finest News Source (http://www.theonion.com/article/harper-lee-announces-third-novel-my-excellent-care-50840)
-M

okatty
07-18-2015, 06:37 PM
I was sorta apprehensive to read it but I guess all the pre-release press prepared me in a way. Im glad i did.

boscorama
07-18-2015, 08:51 PM
I bought it at Sams on day one, have read just the first few chapters.

Tritone
07-19-2015, 03:49 PM
I haven't read it yet but it's on my list. Like many, Atticus Finch was a bit of a hero for me. I'm not an attorney but was somewhat inspired as a child to value everyone's rights. Can people (the masses) keep in mind that Atticus Finch is just a character in a novel? I suspect there will be protests against Finch. If a person wanted to be obnoxious (it's my day off, thank you) he could start rumors that Finch received medals and awards and then sit back and watch as the public outcry grew to have him stripped of them.

Mel
07-19-2015, 07:44 PM
I have not read it yet but I understand the concept of your job is your job no matter how you feel on the inside. Attorneys have to do their job. Even if they think their client is wrong/guilty/dirtbag. I've never had a job that was all sugar and no poop. I think it was and still is a relevant subject.

TheTravellers
07-23-2015, 10:56 AM
What Does Harper Lee Want? | Bloomberg Business (http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-harper-lee-go-set-a-watchman/)

Interesting take on if Lee is/was competent enough to agree to publishing it, as well as a lot of other things.

Rev Brett
07-24-2015, 07:26 AM
Since you asked, here's my $.02 (Warning: It has spoilers):

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okatty
07-25-2015, 01:50 PM
And more of the same from nyt:


Called away on family business, I was afraid I’d missed the sweet spot for commentary on the Harper Lee/“To Kill a Mockingbird”/“Go Set a Watchman” controversy — that moment right after “Watchman’s” release on July 14 when it was all anybody in literary circles could talk about.
Then again, the Rupert Murdoch-owned publishing house HarperCollins announced just this week that it had sold more than 1.1 million copies in a week’s time, making it the “fastest-selling book in company history.” “Watchman” has rocketed to the top of the New York Times best-seller list, where it will surely stay for a while. And the Rupert Murdoch-owned Wall Street Journal not only excerpted the first chapter on the Friday before publication, but it also gave its readers a chance to win a signed first edition of the book.Talk about synergy!
So perhaps it’s not too late after all to point out that the publication of “Go Set a Watchman” constitutes one of the epic money grabs in the modern history of American publishing.
The Ur-fact about Harper Lee is that after publishing her beloved novel, “To Kill a Mockingbird,” in 1960, she not only never published another book; for most of that time she insisted she never would. Until now, that is, when she’s 89, a frail, hearing- and sight-impaired stroke victim living in a nursing home. Perhaps just as important, her sister Alice, Lee’s longtime protector, passed away last November. Her new protector, Tonja Carter, who had worked in Alice Lee’s law office, is the one who brought the “new novel” to HarperCollins’s attention, claiming, conveniently, to have found it shortly before Alice died.
If you have been following The Times’s cleareyed coverage, you know that Carter participated in a meeting in 2011 with a Sotheby’s specialist and Lee’s former agent, in which they came across the manuscript that turned out to be “Go Set a Watchman.” In The Wall Street Journal — where else? — Carter put forth the preposterous claim that she walked out of that meeting early on and never returned, thus sticking with her story that she only discovered the manuscript in 2014.
But the others in the meeting insisted to The Times that she was there the whole time — and saw what they saw: the original manuscript that Lee turned in to Tay Hohoff, her editor. Hohoff, who appears to have been a very fine editor indeed, encouraged her to take a different tack. After much rewriting, Lee emerged with her classic novel of race relations in a small Southern town. Thus, The Times’s account suggests an alternate scenario: that Carter had been sitting on the discovery of the manuscript since 2011, waiting for the moment when she, not Alice, would be in charge of Harper Lee’s affairs.
That’s issue No. 1. Issue No. 2 is the question of whether “Go Set a Watchman” is, in fact, a “newly discovered” novel, worthy of the hoopla it has received, or whether it something less than that: a historical artifact or, more bluntly, a not-very-good first draft that eventually became, with a lot of hard work and smart editing, an American classic.
The Murdoch empire is insisting on the former, of course; that’s what you do when you’re hoping to sell millions of books in an effort to boost the bottom line.
But again, an alternative scenario suggests itself. Lee has said that she wanted to write a “race novel.” Though her first effort had some fine writing, like many first-time novelists she also made a lot of beginners’ mistakes: scenes that don’t always add up, speeches instead of dialogue, and so on. So she took a character who was a racist in the first draft and turned him into the saintly lawyer Atticus Finch who stands up to his town’s bigotry in defending a black man. He becomes the hero of “To Kill a Mockingbird.” (Which is also why it’s silly to view the Atticus Finch of “Go Set a Watchman” as the same person as the Atticus Finch in “To Kill a Mockingbird,” as many commentators have done. Atticus is a fictional character, not a real person.) Lee still wound up with a race novel, which was her goal. But a different and much better one.
In one of her last interviews, conducted in 1964, Lee said: “I think the thing that I most deplore about American writing … is a lack of craftsmanship. It comes right down to this — the lack of absolute love for language, the lack of sitting down and working a good idea into a gem of an idea.”
A publisher that cared about Harper Lee’s legacy would have taken those words to heart, and declined to publish “Go Set a Watchman,” the good idea that Lee eventually transformed into a gem. That HarperCollins decided instead to manufacture a phony literary event isn’t surprising. It’s just sad.

RadicalModerate
07-25-2015, 02:51 PM
I am so disappointed, at the reviews of a re-hashed version, of a classic novel, the printed version book of which I never actually read, yet the film version was excellent. When I was an impressionable child. btw: the Gopurum taste o' India that filled the Saturn Grill over by Panera is way better than Shabby. (around 5:10 pm). Please be advised that with unspoken or asked apology to the lack of heat under that steamtable we were personally presented with The Fresh Version of the finest Tandoori Chicken I'VE ever tasted, plus a complimentary response to "Where is that . . . 'Fried Spinach' Pakora . . .?" The PreQuel to the Sequel reigns supreme. Sorry: Just picked some weeds killing the rose bushes in preparation of preparing something involving . . . basil . . .=~)

I apologize, in advance, for the Audio/Visual conundrum . . . (with a wink, and some fresh basil/pesto, from the garden in reality)

JJx5626euOo

Stew
07-25-2015, 03:03 PM
My favorite quote about this "non-controversy" is when the old blonde buffoon on the fox and friends called it revisionist fiction. Of course that makes no sense to most folks who are able to discern fact from fiction but probably made perfect sense to Juicy-Doocy.

RadicalModerate
07-25-2015, 03:04 PM
Translation for those new to the Venue (in this case OKCTalk): I'm an old semi-white guy who thought that a day off might be well invested in getting all the strangling vines offen' the rose bushes, waterin' the plants 'n herbs that matter, n' makin' sure there's a watchman summers. (some where). Plus planning to translate some fresh herbs into Pasta with Pesto and the Best Chicken Thighs ever Italiano. Doing all that requires either a Watchman or a Watchman app.

RadicalModerate
07-25-2015, 03:37 PM
Edited to Add: (in the interests of threadle continutity): That is, of course, only if you aren't in the middle of an immediate, immature, Crusade against one business or thing or another. imho Atticus Fitch would join hands with everyone all around the world and Prefer Pepsi. Or Dr. Pepper in a Hudson Hornet.

It's a friggin' novel (non-fiction) . . . fer cryin' out loud . . . =~)