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Tydude
12-05-2014, 10:04 PM
I am being told by a Friend of mine that OKCPS has announced that it will banned the Land Run in its Elementary Schools. Big News for the state of Oklahoma

ljbab728
12-05-2014, 10:23 PM
I am being told by a Friend of mine that OKCPS has announced that it will banned the Land Run in its Elementary Schools. Big News for the state of Oklahoma

Maybe we should wait until there is some official information about that before getting too excited.

BrettM2
12-05-2014, 10:46 PM
Maybe we should wait until there is some official information about that before getting too excited.

What?!? Miss the opportunity to overreact based on incomplete or untrue information?

ZYX2
12-06-2014, 12:22 AM
I am being told by a Friend of mine that OKCPS has announced that it will banned the Land Run in its Elementary Schools. Big News for the state of Oklahoma

Not really big news, many other schools in oklahoma have already stopped reenacting the Land Run.

Mel
12-06-2014, 01:56 AM
Really don't want to teach them cheaters get ahead.

hoya
12-06-2014, 08:23 AM
I am being told by a Friend of mine that OKCPS has announced that it will banned the Land Run in its Elementary Schools. Big News for the state of Oklahoma

Why do you hate the English language so much? You are killing it!

I count three separate verb tenses in your first sentence alone.

I am being -- This is the present participle.

OKCPS has announced -- This is the past tense.

that it will -- This is future.

banned -- Now we are back to past tense.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/IZr8xxYXKJ4/hqdefault.jpg

dankrutka
12-06-2014, 08:58 AM
Any land run reenactments should be accompanied by lessons that detail the mistreatment and broken treaties/laws/promises from the federal government and many profiteering individuals. When the land run is taught simply as a celebration it is problematic because it whitewashes history. However, this doesn't mean that the land run could be done in responsible ways. I think the district should recommend historically accurate ways of doing this instead of banning it... if that is what is even happening.

Urbanized
12-06-2014, 09:31 AM
Yeah, simply ignoring it isn't the answer. It's an incredibly important part of our history. So are the 1830 Indian Removal Act, the Trail of Tears and plenty of other (not always happy) lessons from Oklahoma's past that deserve thoughtful teaching.

ZYX2
12-06-2014, 09:53 AM
I'd be surprised if OKCPS banned teaching of the Land Run. I took it as they would no longer allow reenactments of it, but I may be wrong.

Urbanized
12-06-2014, 09:57 AM
And yet a properly-staged reenactment can be a powerful way to teach it to young minds. We just have to make sure they get the full story to go along with it.

turnpup
12-06-2014, 11:34 AM
I agree with what all of you said above about teaching it responsibly, etc. Having said that, at the school my daughter attends, they do the re-enactment/celebration thing in the second grade. I'm not sure second-graders are quite ready to comprehend the realities of that situation. At least not in a detailed way. But I could be wrong...

dankrutka
12-06-2014, 12:23 PM
I agree with what all of you said above about teaching it responsibly, etc. Having said that, at the school my daughter attends, they do the re-enactment/celebration thing in the second grade. I'm not sure second-graders are quite ready to comprehend the realities of that situation. At least not in a detailed way. But I could be wrong...

The point is that we don't lie about or mythologize history for children of any age. You just put it in terms that are age appropriate. So, of course, you don't discuss the worst aspects of abuse, but children have discussions on what's fair/right daily.

I often talk to my pre-service teachers about appropriate ways to teach Columbus Day that doesn't ignore the cruelty, murder, rape, and eventual genocide by the Spanish to the Arawak/Taino people, but accurately deals with the significance of Columbus' voyage AND deals with the human rights atrocities that followed. With older kids they read accounts from varying perspectives (Spanish, cruelty of Spanish cruelty Bartolome de las Casas, etc.) including the brutal stuff, but with younger kids you have to at least not tell the myths and make sure they get a sense of the Native perspective, culture, etc. It's actually pretty easy to do and I've seen first graders have great discussions about it that were appropriate and historically accurate.

ZYX2
12-06-2014, 01:10 PM
I strongly agree that history should not be made into little tales with varying degrees of accuracy in order to accommodate children. However, referring specifically to holding a land run reenactment, how could it be accomplished in a manner that did not promote the settlers over the Native Americans? How could the detrimental impacts to Native Americans accurately be portrayed in a way that elementary students could recreate and understand with reasonable accuracy?

Please don't take my thoughts the wrong way. I do not believe that young children aren't intelligent enough to be capable of understanding this piece of history. Children have strong, curious minds and, as dankrutka said, can have great discussions about complex issues. However, in this specific situation, how could a land run reenactment be held without turning it into some sort of celebration?

Jim Kyle
12-06-2014, 01:54 PM
However, referring specifically to holding a land run reenactment, how could it be accomplished in a manner that did not promote the settlers over the Native Americans? How could the detrimental impacts to Native Americans accurately be portrayed in a way that elementary students could recreate and understand with reasonable accuracy?
Speaking strictly of the Run itself, not the events that preceded or followed it, I'm not aware of any "detrimental impacts to Native Americans" that were involved. The Run was into the "unassigned lands," which were not part of any of the nations, and I'm not aware of any native Americans being displaced by settlers. On the contrary, by that time the Cherokee had more or less resigned themselves to coexisting with the influx of whites. The Bushyhead family, for example, proudly trace their ancestry to a red-headed Scot who joined the Nation long before 1889. The Chickasaws are spending tons of casino money these days telling folk, via TV, how they were responsible for most all the good things that have happened to this nation. The Cheyennes and Apaches aren't as vocal about it, but they were totally out of the picture in 1889 -- not until the run into the Cherokee Strip were they impacted.

And try to tell the Edmondson family, or the Rogers clan, that the impact of white culture into this area was detrimental. Not to mention the Skinners, Tallchiefs, or Mankillers...

The way in which OKC went from a single railroad station to a city literally overnight is something that can inspire youngsters. And heaven knows far too many of our young need that inspiration these days!

ZYX2
12-06-2014, 02:33 PM
Many Native Americans had no cultural concept of land ownership, therefore lands being "unassigned" didn't really mean much to some tribes.

The issue is complex, and deserves more discussion than most schools give it. However, the Native American way of life was definitely impacted. And for many, it was not in their interest.

This article gives a brief account from a Native American standpoint: http://www.nativetimes.com/index.php/life/commentary/9815-aprill-22-marks-anniversary-of-oklahoma-land-run

ZYX2
12-06-2014, 02:37 PM
The way in which OKC went from a single railroad station to a city literally overnight is something that can inspire youngsters. And heaven knows far too many of our young need that inspiration these days!

While interesting, what about this is inspiring to young people?

turnpup
12-06-2014, 07:42 PM
I will find out more about what they study relating to the Land Run when the time comes later on this school year. It'll be interesting to see if there's anything more serious discussed/taught. My guess is that there will be. It's a real big deal at her school. What I *do* know is that this year, when studying about the Pilgrims, the kids did learn that the first Thanksgiving in North America was in Canada, that many of the first U.S. Pilgrims died, etc. So it looks like they're being "real" at least to an extent.

I'm all for not sugar-coating things with my child, probably to a fault. Sometimes I wonder if I tell her too much. She seems quite accepting of my level of reality and detail, so hopefully I'm doing all right. Parenting isn't easy. Teaching is probably just as difficult. I certainly admire a person who can sit in a room full of kids all day and actually accomplish something. I couldn't do it.

OKCisOK4me
12-06-2014, 08:33 PM
Whether this is true or not it is asinine for it to be possible. We, as adults, think we know whats right when it comes to everything. Look back on your Land Run experiences. Did it really, really, really harm you? I mean seriously, I had one helluva time. I have no remorse or bad feelings for the time I spent re enacting that for way back when. Not a thing is wrong with Land Run Re-Enactment.

ZYX2
12-06-2014, 09:27 PM
I had a blast during mine. My wagon fell apart and my "family" was the last to stake a claim.

Just because it's fun doesn't mean it should be continued. That's a really strange logic.

Jim Kyle
12-06-2014, 10:02 PM
Many Native Americans had no cultural concept of land ownership, therefore lands being "unassigned" didn't really mean much to some tribes.Quite true, especially for the nomadic peoples such as the Kiowa, Cheyenne, Arapaho, and Sioux. The "Five Civilized Tribes" (the label applied to them during most of our history, patronizing though it is) on the other hand had a highly developed concept of ownership although the details differed from one nation (a much better term) to another. The Cherokee, in particular, had even embraced the concept of owning people!

I don't believe that a single unified "Native American standpoint" exists, any more than does a single unified "western culture." Viewpoints are intensely personal things, although they tend to be shaped by one's surroundings and one's neighbors. And of course, every culture includes its percentage of extremists, who can be quite vocal...

windowphobe
12-07-2014, 09:15 PM
This is probably official enough:

Instagram (http://instagram.com/p/wPosNgsIKg/)

Also, there's a meeting Monday night dealing with, um, mascots.

dankrutka
12-07-2014, 09:27 PM
Whether this is true or not it is asinine for it to be possible. We, as adults, think we know whats right when it comes to everything. Look back on your Land Run experiences. Did it really, really, really harm you? I mean seriously, I had one helluva time. I have no remorse or bad feelings for the time I spent re enacting that for way back when. Not a thing is wrong with Land Run Re-Enactment.

Done poorly a LandRun reenactment can be incredibly insulting and miseducative. There are some fantastic articles written on this. I'll see if I csn scrounge one up so I don't have to explain the many reasons a LandRun reenactment can be problematic.

Having said that, a LandRun reenactment that is part of a historically accurate curriculum can be educational. It depends on the pedagogical approach.

jerrywall
12-08-2014, 08:44 AM
My mother is a elementary school teacher. She regularly dresses up in colonial garb, and such, to teach early american history. She also organizes yearly class trips to Colonial Williamsburg. The idea is to get the young children interested in American history. I guess she should stop because the founding fathers had slaves, took land from Indians, and pushed a white, christian, patriarchy. Jeebus folks.

dankrutka
12-08-2014, 09:27 AM
My mother is a elementary school teacher. She regularly dresses up in colonial garb, and such, to teach early american history. She also organizes yearly class trips to Colonial Williamsburg. The idea is to get the young children interested in American history. I guess she should stop because the founding fathers had slaves, took land from Indians, and pushed a white, christian, patriarchy. Jeebus folks.

If you've read this thread I think you'd see that no one is really saying that.

HangryHippo
12-08-2014, 09:28 AM
My mother is a elementary school teacher. She regularly dresses up in colonial garb, and such, to teach early american history. She also organizes yearly class trips to Colonial Williamsburg. The idea is to get the young children interested in American history. I guess she should stop because the founding fathers had slaves, took land from Indians, and pushed a white, christian, patriarchy. Jeebus folks.

What are you talking about? I think the point of most of the posts was to illustrate that your mother should be addressing those aspects of our history, as opposed to creating the impression the colonials were flawless pilgrims that prayed to Jesus peacefully around a turkey dinner with the Indians because, well, that wouldn't be history. Your mother would be teaching literary fiction.

dankrutka
12-08-2014, 09:32 AM
Jerald Walker wrote a piece about the difficulties of teaching Land Runs in schools called, "The Difficulty of Celebrating an Invasion." It is chapter 2 here: http://www.amazon.com/Oklahoma-Had-Never-Seen-Before/dp/080612945X

I haven't read the article in a solid decade, but it might be worth checking out if you're interested in the topic. This book is probably at a lot of the local libraries.

jerrywall
12-08-2014, 09:45 AM
If you've read this thread I think you'd see that no one is really saying that.

Really?

ZYX2
12-08-2014, 10:40 AM
Really?

Really. We've been discussing how teaching the Land Run is improving/could improve. You made an incorrect analogy to a much different and only somewhat related situation.

Just the facts
12-08-2014, 10:45 AM
The point is that we don't lie about or mythologize history for children of any age.

I often talk to my pre-service teachers about appropriate ways to teach Columbus Day that doesn't ignore the cruelty, murder, rape, and eventual genocide by the Spanish to the Arawak/Taino people, but accurately deals with the significance of Columbus' voyage AND deals with the human rights atrocities that followed.

Which mostly turned out to be lies by the Anglican Church disseminated in European publications and public lectures to discredit the spread of Catholicism at the time. Sometime when we think we see the big picture, there turns out to be a an even bigger picture we don't see. History is a series of events all building on or reacting to previous events. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Just sayin....

Jim Kyle
12-08-2014, 11:36 AM
When studying history, we must always remember that the history books were written by the victors, and consequently almost always present a one-sided view of the actual facts. Not until many years later, if ever, do the vanquished get an equal voice.

Which raises a question that, to me, seems supreme: Who decides which account is accurate?

RadicalModerate
12-08-2014, 11:49 AM
In the midst of all this "Educational Chaos" yesterday, I was sort of glad that "Flip's Italian Enclave" survived all the battles and the storms.
I'm not sure which side quadrant or fraction of the "NativeAmerican"/"SoonerBorderCrosser"/"LawEnforcimater" side of the equation that puts me in . . . yet, somehow . . . the whole "LandRush(theft) thing should be put to rest" . . . "Sooner" rather than "Later"?

One thing I do know for sure: I'm wrong and someone will argue with that.

(thank you, Mr. Kyle. sincerely)

OKCisOK4me
12-08-2014, 11:50 AM
I had a blast during mine. My wagon fell apart and my "family" was the last to stake a claim.

Just because it's fun doesn't mean it should be continued. That's a really strange logic.

....and just because a few adults don't think it shold be taught doesn't mean it should be removed from the curriculum.

Good job Indian kids. I'm sure your great great grandparents are having a pow wow in heaven. This is just stupid IMHO. I'm going to protest Red Earth now because us white folk don't believe in that crap. It never hurt them one bit.... <----sarcasm for those of you that can't read between the lines.

Asinine.

RadicalModerate
12-08-2014, 11:53 AM
Which mostly turned out to be lies by the Anglican Church disseminated in European publications and public lectures to discredit the spread of Catholicism at the time. Sometime when we think we see the big picture, there turns out to be a an even bigger picture we don't see. History is a series of events all building on or reacting to previous events. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Just sayin....

Hold up thar a second, amigo . . .
Neither the Roman nor Anglican Church ever lied to anyone.
Only Henry VIII did. (at the time, he thought, "What is all this, 'it's good to be king' stuff about?" =)
Some Episcopalians might even agree?
(jest sayin' . . .)
(good to have ya' back . . . for real)

RadicalModerate
12-08-2014, 12:00 PM
....and just because a few adults don't think it shold be taught doesn't mean it should be removed from the curriculum.

Of course it should be removed from the curriculum.
Attempting to text the correct spelling of "curriculum"--especially regarding The Land Run--caused carpal tunnel and traffic accidents. Didn't it? (please don't answer that. thanks, in advance. =)

RadicalModerate
12-08-2014, 12:06 PM
When studying history, we must always remember that the history books were written by the victors, and consequently almost always present a one-sided view of the actual facts. Not until many years later, if ever, do the vanquished get an equal voice.

Which raises a question that, to me, seems supreme: Who decides which account is accurate?

I suppose, based upon recent observations, that it is either Mike Morgan or The New Weather Girl on Channel XYX . ..?

How about Charter Schools With Steaks to Claim the Stolen Land?
Sorry . . . I meant stakes.
Which, I've heard has nothing to do with vampires, zombies or extra-terrestials. =)

RadicalModerate
12-08-2014, 12:25 PM
With apologies: Here is the outline of an old story/myth/joke that is sort of on-topic:
A guy (or gal) sees a sign that says "No Trespassing."
He (or she) crosses the fence.
The Trespasser is confronted by the Landowner.
The Landowner says: "What are you doing on my land."
The Trespasser says: "What makes this your land?"
The Landowner says: "My father gave it to me."
The Trespasser says: "And who gave it to him?"
The Landowner says: "His father."
The Trespasser says: "And where did his father get it?"
The Landowner says: "He fought for it."
The Trespasser says: " OK (no reference to "Oklahoma, simply an exercise in old American Oklahoman "Zen" or something like it, related to the Invasion of 1889, etcs).: "I'll fight you for it."

Let us hope that the victory goes to the best of all that . . .
(I can almost hear Woody Guthrie, plunkin' on his guitar in a boxcar and singin' something about "Land Ownership" (not counting the native inhabitants)

oops, almost forgot: "hey, you kids, play on my yard as much as you want, and when you're done mow it. =)

RadicalModerate
12-08-2014, 12:32 PM
Jerald Walker wrote a piece about the difficulties of teaching Land Runs in schools called, "The Difficulty of Celebrating an Invasion." It is chapter 2 here: Amazon.com: An Oklahoma I Had Never Seen Before: Alternative Views of Oklahoma History (9780806129457): Davis D. Joyce: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Oklahoma-Had-Never-Seen-Before/dp/080612945X)

I haven't read the article in a solid decade, but it might be worth checking out if you're interested in the topic. This book is probably at a lot of the local libraries.

Yup. It B a Kwandry. For sure. Thanks for the reminder!
I'd be "outraged" . . . but I'm not.

RadicalModerate
12-08-2014, 12:40 PM
....and just because a few adults don't think it shold be taught doesn't mean it should be removed from the curriculum.

Good job Indian kids. I'm sure your great great grandparents are having a pow wow in heaven. This is just stupid IMHO. I'm going to protest Red Earth now because us white folk don't believe in that crap. It never hurt them one bit.... <----sarcasm for those of you that can't read between the lines.

Asinine.

The word "asinine" isn't used nearly enough.
In this context, it is nearly perfect (imho)

What's that other word that was even closer to the truth . . .
(dang. I fergit. . . . yet, somehow it is even more telling . . .)

Just the facts
12-08-2014, 01:11 PM
When studying history, we must always remember that the history books were written by the victors, and consequently almost always present a one-sided view of the actual facts. Not until many years later, if ever, do the vanquished get an equal voice.

Which raises a question that, to me, seems supreme: Who decides which account is accurate?

And that right there is why it is so important to win - be it on the battlefield or in a curriculum-review meeting.

ZYX2
12-08-2014, 02:20 PM
....and just because a few adults don't think it shold be taught doesn't mean it should be removed from the curriculum.

Good job Indian kids. I'm sure your great great grandparents are having a pow wow in heaven. This is just stupid IMHO. I'm going to protest Red Earth now because us white folk don't believe in that crap. It never hurt them one bit.... <----sarcasm for those of you that can't read between the lines.

Asinine.

Nobody here has said it should be removed from the curriculum. It should be taught so that it better represents actual history. It would be asinine to remove it from our curriculum, which is why neither I, nor anyone else is suggesting that.

dankrutka
12-08-2014, 02:43 PM
Which mostly turned out to be lies by the Anglican Church disseminated in European publications and public lectures to discredit the spread of Catholicism at the time. Sometime when we think we see the big picture, there turns out to be a an even bigger picture we don't see. History is a series of events all building on or reacting to previous events. Nothing happens in a vacuum. Just sayin....

Do you have credible sources on this? I've read a lot of major historians and never seen this mentioned. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm going to need to see some evidence.

dankrutka
12-08-2014, 02:45 PM
....and just because a few adults don't think it shold be taught doesn't mean it should be removed from the curriculum.

Good job Indian kids. I'm sure your great great grandparents are having a pow wow in heaven. This is just stupid IMHO. I'm going to protest Red Earth now because us white folk don't believe in that crap. It never hurt them one bit.... <----sarcasm for those of you that can't read between the lines.

Asinine.

This is a serious issue for a lot of Native people and just people in general. Your sarcasm is in poor taste.

Tydude
12-08-2014, 07:22 PM
benfelder_okg: OKC school board votes 8-0 to dismiss Redskins mascot at Capitol Hill. This school is now in search of a new name.

Just the facts
12-08-2014, 09:07 PM
Do you have credible sources on this? I've read a lot of major historians and never seen this mentioned. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm going to need to see some evidence.

I actually just read this a few days ago and if I can remember where I read it I will gladly pass it along. One thing I do know for certain though, propaganda wasn't invented in 1941. I am reading a historical novel about the history of Paris from Roman times to the mid-1960's so it might have been in there.

dankrutka
12-08-2014, 09:46 PM
I actually just read this a few days ago and if I can remember where I read it I will gladly pass it along. One thing I do know for certain though, propaganda wasn't invented in 1941. I am reading a historical novel about the history of Paris from Roman times to the mid-1960's so it might have been in there.

I agree that propaganda wasn't invented yesterday, but historians are also aware of this fact. Pass along your source when you find it. I'm looking forward to reading something new on the topic.

Just the facts
12-09-2014, 06:15 AM
but historians are also aware of this fact

The challenge is findig a historian that doesn't have an agenda or their own incomplete world-view. It is almost as if a person has to read 10 sources and then decide for themselves what is true. I had to do this myself after listening to Rush for 20 years. When I uncovered enough inconsistancies and half-truths I had to rethink my world-view so it fit the data (and not the other way around).

Jim Kyle
12-09-2014, 06:54 AM
It is almost as if a person has to read 10 sources and then decide for themselves what is true.No "almost" about it, and it applies to a lot more things than just history. Of course, one can also read 10 sources all of which agree with an original prejudice, and be no better off than before. Gotta pick sources that contradict each other as much as possible, and more than 10 if possible...

Just the facts
12-09-2014, 07:34 AM
In a video I post quite often Howard Kunstler makes a point that when we have enough places not worth carrying about (because of their inability to create positive civic space) we will have a nation not worth caring about. Is it possible that time has come? Maybe we need an "I'm proud to be an American-American" campaign. In our rush to spread everyone out and destroy our civic life in the process we have created an environment that many people find unsatisfying at almost every level, so it is hard to argue against those who believe we should just give up, return the land to the previous inhabitants, and go back to Europe. We were given a great gift by our ancestors and frankly, we squandered it.

OKCisOK4me
12-09-2014, 07:56 AM
Of course it should be removed from the curriculum.
Attempting to text the correct spelling of "curriculum"--especially regarding The Land Run--caused carpal tunnel and traffic accidents. Didn't it? (please don't answer that. thanks, in advance. =)

I wouldn't know. I don't text and drive. That was a valuable lesson I learned from my 4th grade Land Run experience in 1989--the 100 year anniversary.

OKCisOK4me
12-09-2014, 08:00 AM
This is a serious issue for a lot of Native people and just people in general. Your sarcasm is in poor taste.

I'll ask my cousin about this who is an Arapaho descendant. If it's true then apparently I need to start hanging out with more Native Americans so I can feel this pain you speak about. Give me a break.

bombermwc
12-09-2014, 08:09 AM
We did land runs as 3rd graders at my school in Mid-Del. It was a chance for us to get out there and touch history a bit. We wouldn't have otherwise learned about rolling pin tosses or cow chip tosses. There's something about making that mad dash with your friends and your wagon that helps you understand it. And knowing the playground, you knew exactly where you wanted to stake your claim.

That being said, looking back, I realize that we missed a LOT of the point. We weren't told we were taking land from someone else. We weren't told that people killed each other over the land. We were taught about some women being there on their own, so that's a good thing. We weren't really told about Boomers or Sooners, although having someone go early could have been a lesson opportunity as everyone else looked and say "Hey!!!!". All we really did was break out our cowboy gear and eat a sack lunch on the playground. But what it was, was a good opportunity to take the classroom outside and do some hands on. And hey, it was 3rd grade. No one is going to tell the whole story to a bunch of 3rd graders, and a bunch of 3rd graders 1) aren't going to get it and 2)won't care.

Like oh so many things, don't take an elementary school thing and blow it out of proportion to something it really isn't. You no more teach the whole Land Run experience to 3rd graders than you teach the adult's version of the Bible to 3rd graders. Some things have to be re-worded or changed a bit so a 3rd grader even understand it.

hoya
12-09-2014, 09:21 AM
I think I was in 5th grade when we did the 100th anniversary Land Run thing at school. I think they used a whistle instead of a starter pistol, but like bombermwc said, waiting for that sound and then running out across the playground to grab a little flag and stake your claim helped you understand it. I still remember that clearly today.

And not to diminish the fact that we took the land away from the Indians, but that's not really any different from the rest of the country.

Just the facts
12-09-2014, 10:02 AM
And not to diminish the fact that we took the land away from the Indians, but that's not really any different from the rest of the country.

Indians btw who took it from other Indians, or are we to believe that Indians all lived together as one big happy family. When are The Sioux going to offer their casino earnings as reparations for killing, slaughtering, and raping other tribes?

hoya
12-09-2014, 10:38 AM
Yeah, you can't really just lump "Indians" and "white people" together into two groups. My ancestors weren't involved in the Land Run. They came to Oklahoma later. And I'm sure the Chickasaw don't want to be blamed for the Aztecs tearing people's hearts out on top of a ziggurat.

OKCisOK4me
12-09-2014, 11:54 AM
Maybe they can film "Last of the Unassigned Lands" and call upon Daniel Day Lewis to be the main character...

jn1780
12-09-2014, 12:02 PM
The same age group we are talking about also believes in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Learning the truths about history is part of growing up. The causes of the Revolutionary war, Civil war, World War 1 and 2 are also oversimplified and its something students don't really get deep into until high school or college.

The land run did allow many people to achieve their dreams that didn't directly screw over Native Americans and State of Oklahoma of course wouldn't be around to today. I guess teachers could tell their students after the reenactment that there Great Great Grandparents were really jerks.

jerrywall
12-09-2014, 12:19 PM
Yeah, you can't really just lump "Indians" and "white people" together into two groups. My ancestors weren't involved in the Land Run. They came to Oklahoma later. And I'm sure the Chickasaw don't want to be blamed for the Aztecs tearing people's hearts out on top of a ziggurat.

My family DID take part in the land runs (we/they settled here in the Cherokee Strip land run, and we still some of the land and the dugout), and I still don't feel guilty.

hoya
12-09-2014, 12:23 PM
My family DID take part in the land runs (we/they settled here in the Cherokee Strip land run, and we still some of the land and the dugout), and I still don't feel guilty.

You shouldn't. Even if you take the position that the Land Run was wrong, you didn't have any part in it. Some other person over a century ago did it.

Just the facts
12-09-2014, 12:36 PM
Well I don't know about you guys but I am still pissed that the Romans built a wall across England that cut off the supply route to my ancestors and the UN made it a UNESCO World Heritage Site as if it was some great accomplishment that should be honored. I say President Obama - help tear down what is left of that wall. [/sarc]

Teo9969
12-09-2014, 12:44 PM
Sorry to be a jerk, but if you're going to correct someone, you probably ought to do it correctly...


Why do you hate the English language so much? You are killing it!

I count three separate verb tenses in your first sentence alone.

I am being -- This is the present participle. This is present progressive with a passive voice construction

OKCPS has announced -- This is the past tense. Present perfect

that it will -- This is future.

banned -- Now we are back to past tense. this is a typo that was supposed to be "ban" to complete the "will + bare infinitive" construction

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And you are most certainly allowed to use more than one tense in a sentence, as you have demonstrated correctly yourself in this thread.