I know this was not to be taken literally, but I'm just trying to think of what it could possibly be. People went apesh!t over that, and really, rightfully so. There is quite a bit that could make Kansas City jealous, but when you throw a city like Dallas into the mix, things get tricky real quick. He said it was entertainment oriented.

I wonder myself, what it could be. A massive mixed use outdoor mall? Dallas has those, a bunch of them. A mall such as this would have to be pretty damn impressive to top whatever Dallas has.

Perhaps the Lumber Yard tower project? I could see that making Dallas sort of jealous even though they have some high-rise towers. But, Steve has already said his confidence in this project isn't high as he has not seen anything that would indicate this is serious proposal, so that would kind of contradict that.

Perhaps a large roller coaster or amusement ride? Maybe one of the biggest Ferris Wheels in the country?

Perhaps a special movie theater of some kind built into a large entertainment style mall sort of like the Chinese Theater on Hollywood BLVD?

A world class aquarium maybe? Although, that would likely be more of a public venture, wouldn't it?

Is the formula one race car circuit coming back into play maybe?

There's already a Medieval Times and Ripley's Museum in Dallas(Palace of Wax), not sure about KC.

I know this is a stretch, but could we possibly be getting a movie studio or something?

Maybe a small amusement park? A fun park with a couple small rides and a go-cart track?

A spaceport. To Jupiter. That'd make Dallas jealous.

BTW, I will not be disappointed if isn't a big as what it sounds like. I trust Steve and he really seems like a well-balanced and reasonable person, so whatever it is, it must be significant. Even if it isn't something that would have Dallas drooling with envy, it could be something that would make Dallas jealous in the sense of someone noticing it from there and just saying 'wish we had that here', but nothing major.

A spaceport. To Jupiter. That'd make Dallas jealous.Yeah, it would. Being smack dab in the middle of Bricktown, I bet it would make people jealous who live there of people who don't. ;)

I know this is a stretch, but could we possibly be getting a movie studio or something?

I said it a while back, but I always thought it would have been extremely cool to turn Crossroads into a movie studio.

WRONG.

Crossroads should be a go cart paintball war zone.

I think it must have something to do with the Chesapeake arena.

Think about it, this is probably the ONLY area where OKC has a chance to make both KC and Dallas jealous. Not saying that they are jealous NOW, but if there were some sort of 'LA Live type complex added to the Peake - THAT would make both cities jealous since they don't have anything of the sort to my knowledge.

White Castle

WRONG.

Crossroads should be a go cart paintball war zone.

Laser Tag on sedgeway's.

I think it must have something to do with the Chesapeake arena.

Think about it, this is probably the ONLY area where OKC has a chance to make both KC and Dallas jealous. Not saying that they are jealous NOW, but if there were some sort of 'LA Live type complex added to the Peake - THAT would make both cities jealous since they don't have anything of the sort to my knowledge.

I've never been to the complex in LA, but Power and Light is right across the street from the Sprint Center. The two are almost as close as they can be without being physically attached. Obviously KC doesn't have a pro team playing in the Sprint Center, but it's a fun environment when the Big 12 tournament or a concert is in town.

I think it must have something to do with the Chesapeake arena.

Think about it, this is probably the ONLY area where OKC has a chance to make both KC and Dallas jealous. Not saying that they are jealous NOW, but if there were some sort of 'LA Live type complex added to the Peake - THAT would make both cities jealous since they don't have anything of the sort to my knowledge.Well, unless the Bricktown location wasn't meant to be exact, I'm not sure this would fall into Bricktown.

Kansas City used to have a Medieval Times back in the '90s but its not there anymore.

Somebody in one of the subsequent chats asked if it would be something similar to KC's Power and Light district and Steve responded that it would be better in his opinion. I really think OKC could use a nightlife and entertainment complex like that with maybe some residential thrown in and hope that what is being tracked is something of the sort. I think something like that would also be realistic for a city like OKC.


BTW, I will not be disappointed if isn't a big as what it sounds like. I trust Steve and he really seems like a well-balanced and reasonable person, so whatever it is, it must be significant. Even if it isn't something that would have Dallas drooling with envy, it could be something that would make Dallas jealous in the sense of someone noticing it from there and just saying 'wish we had that here', but nothing major.

This is pretty much how I interpreted the line. A lot of people have hyped it up to the point that nothing realistic could live up to the expectation. I don't believe that to be the case though and whatever it is, if it happens, should be an amazing score for OKC.

So, the Chisholm Creek area is being developed by Medallion Management in OKC and Endeavor Real Estate Group out of Austin. Austin has a pretty great music scene, we all know. What if they are luring a music promo group out of Austin to set lease space and up a venue in OKC? Not necessarily at CC, but somewhere else in the metro. That is definitely something that would make Dalllas and KC jealous.

I know that Austin group is working hard to put together a music venue at Chisholm Creek.

Could the proposed Velodrome be the thing that makes Dallas/KC jealous? The proposed area was south of I-40, north of the river. It is entertainment based and could fall under the area of Bricktown, if you want to extend it that far south.

I almost have to think it has to do with the lot in front of The Chevy (I am going to start calling it that now and hope it catches on.) Steve have stated multiple times on his chat that there is no hope in the COOP being sold until the sellers drop the price, so I think that area is out. There are other open parking lots in Bricktown, but most of them are owned by Randy Hogan or Brewer who refuse to develop them. The parking lot in front of The Chevy is owned by the Redhawks (if I remember correctly) and could be bought and developed for the right price.

So when is the announcement suppose to be for this?

So when is the announcement suppose to be for this?

Steve said in his chat on 10/10/2014:

Mark - 10:49 a.m. So the “Jealousy Project” is still in the works? Do you see it being announced next year possibly if it happens?

Steve Lackmeyer - 10:49 a.m. Yep. Yep.

Can anyone who is in the know i.e. Pete confirm if this project has been mentioned or rumored yet or is it something nobody knows anything about? For example, could it be something like the Velodrome that is rumored but not officially announced?

Steve has said no one has got even close to guessing it. The Velodrome has already been rumored, so I don't see any point in maintaining secrecy about it. So we can figure it's probably not that. Pete has mentioned that he knows (or thinks he knows) what development Steve is talking about. So there's something out there.

I honestly have no idea what it could be.

Could the proposed Velodrome be the thing that makes Dallas/KC jealous? The proposed area was south of I-40, north of the river. It is entertainment based and could fall under the area of Bricktown, if you want to extend it that far south.

I almost have to think it has to do with the lot in front of The Chevy (I am going to start calling it that now and hope it catches on.) Steve have stated multiple times on his chat that there is no hope in the COOP being sold until the sellers drop the price, so I think that area is out. There are other open parking lots in Bricktown, but most of them are owned by Randy Hogan or Brewer who refuse to develop them. The parking lot in front of The Chevy is owned by the Redhawks (if I remember correctly) and could be bought and developed for the right price.That's what I thought. I almost posted it but didn't. Are there any other cities in the US that have a Velodrome?

That's what I thought. I almost posted it but didn't. Are there any other cities in the US that have a Velodrome?

There are several, but most of them are old:

List of cycling tracks and velodromes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_velodromes#.C2.A0United_States)

One is in Frisco, TX, which is a suburb of Dallas, so if might rule that out as well.

That's what I thought. I almost posted it but didn't. Are there any other cities in the US that have a Velodrome?

Here are the developments that have been put out as possibilities that it definitely ISN'T.

-Stage Center Complex
-Velodrome
-Wheeler District
-Bricktown Events Center (Chevy)
-Criterion Concert Hall
-Canopy Hotel
-White Water Center
-Lumberyard Complex
-Bricktown Flyer

Here are the developments that have been put out as possibilities that it definitely ISN'T.

-Stage Center Complex
-Velodrome
-Wheeler District
-Bricktown Events Center (Chevy)
-Criterion Concert Hall
-Canopy Hotel
-White Water Center
-Lumberyard Complex

Again, that leads me to believe it has something to do with the parking lot in front of The Chevy.

Also, you can rule out the COOP because the owners are asking too much and aren't going down on the price.

Going out on a limb here, but maybe a museum to Oklahoma City's favorite son, star of stage and screen Lon Cheney Jr. Yes, the Wolfman was born here.

No? Okay, I figured that was a stretch. But we still need something to honor the only man to play all 4 classic Universal movie monsters (Wolfman, Dracula, Frankenstein, the Mummy).

Another thing a lot of people thought it might be is that Bricktown Flyer ride that probably isn't going to happen at this point. I added it to the list of projects that it is not.

Another thing a lot of people thought it might be is that Bricktown Flyer ride that probably isn't going to happen at this point. I added it to the list of projects that it is not.

In Steve's last chat he made the comment that (something big) has not even been mentioned, completely off the radar, by anyone making a guess at what it is.

In Steve's last chat he made the comment that (something big) has not even been mentioned, completely off the radar, by anyone making a guess at what it is.

I really wonder what the scale is. The infamous quote is below from January 10, 2014.

Steve Lackmeyer 11:25 a.m. I do see more entertainment venues being added to the mix. There is possibly one development that could really change the game and even be something that would make Dallas and Kansas City jealous. How's that for a teaser?

I wonder if most people guessing have been guessing to big or too small.

What about a retail development like an urban Target? Do Dallas and Kansas City have that in their downtowns?

What about a retail development like an urban Target? Do Dallas and Kansas City have that in their downtowns?
I don't think an urban Target would make those cities jealous.

I don't think an urban Target would make those cities jealous.

I don't know, I'm just trying to keep it realistic. Big retail downtown would make cities that don't have that jealous. Think about it, if an urban Target was announced for downtown Tulsa, OKC would sure be jealous.

I wish we knew the scope of what is coming. Everything from a carnival ride to the relocation of NASA from Houston has been thrown out there.

It's entertainment related, according to Steve.

Let's see...

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I'm going to say... not jealous enough.

On the other hand,

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....maybe too jealous.

So okay guys, all we have to do is come up with something in the middle. We are getting closer.

I don't know, I'm just trying to keep it realistic. Big retail downtown would make cities that don't have that jealous. Think about it, if an urban Target was announced for downtown Tulsa, OKC would sure be jealous.

I wish we knew the scope of what is coming. Everything from a carnival ride to the relocation of NASA from Houston has been thrown out there.Yes, well it isn't hard to make Tulsa jealous. You originally said Dallas and KC. Those are the cities I was referring to.

What about a retail development like an urban Target? Do Dallas and Kansas City have that in their downtowns?

I think it's got to be an outdoor concert venue if it's entertainment related, maybe some big amphitheater on the river. I know there's been some proposals for something like this years ago, so maybe not since whatever it is hasn't been close to being mentioned.
Maybe 2015 will be more of a banner year than it already is and we'll hear something.
I think the possibility of 4 to 6 towers popping up is 'something big' already.

I had a dream (nightmare?) last night that it was finally revealed what this was and boy did it disappoitnment. Thanks guys. lol.

I had a dream (nightmare?) last night that it was finally revealed what this was and boy did it disappoitnment. Thanks guys. lol.

What was it in your dream? Please do tell!

So Pete, if you know (or think you might know) can you at least tell us if it really will make those cities jealous. Is it worthy of all this speculation and some outlandish guesses?

What was it in your dream? Please do tell!

I was shuttled as part of a "reveal group" to a barren site on the far outskirts of the metro, just full of blowing dust and nothingness, where it was announced that there'd be a 10-unit apartment complex built here, which was met with everyone else cheering excitedly and me looking around in bewilderment.

lol.

I was shuttled as part of a "reveal group" to a barren site on the far outskirts of the metro, just full of blowing dust and nothingness, where it was announced that there'd be a 10-unit apartment complex built here, which was met with everyone else cheering excitedly and me looking around in bewilderment.

lol.

Haha awesome! So now we know what will invoke all this envy from south of the Red River.

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Entertainment.... casino, amusement park, or an indoor snow park (ski/snowboard).

How about a riverboat casino? A really nice one that would make KC say What!

So Pete, if you know (or think you might know) can you at least tell us if it really will make those cities jealous. Is it worthy of all this speculation and some outlandish guesses?

I really don't know what this is.

However, whatever it may be, it has to be downtown somewhere and take a good chunk of property so that narrows it down quite a bit.

The one thing that sparked my interest was a few months ago the Alliance for Economic Development listed a future project for the "Joe Carter Lot", which is the name used for that massive city-owned parking lot just south of the Bricktown Events Center. I haven't been able to find out anything further.

The two other parcels that stand out are the large lot near the Uhaul building in Bricktown and the far west area (near Bass Pro) in Lower Bricktown. Another Bricktown possibility: the former Bodyworks building and land east of the Joe Cater Lot.

Otherwise, there just aren't any large parcels not already spoken for and/or with pending plans. Been a few people assembling sites near the proposed Central Park but nothing significant.


As for what the project could be, there just aren't that many options. Housing, hotels, office, retail or some combination thereof. With two brand new concert venues in the works in Bricktown, you can pretty much rule out that possibility.

I hope it happens and it knocks our socks off but I think this may be a case of runaway hyperbole. What could possibly be built that anyone in Dallas would envy?

Even with zero constraints (budget or land needs) I can't think of one thing they don't already have.

The way I see the Dallas envy thing is that the project won't be something they don't have, but maybe something they don't have in their downtown. Downtown Dallas is impressive but for the fourth largest metro in the nation it could be a lot better. The best of the Metroplex is not in downtown.

Even with zero constraints (budget or land needs) I can't think of one thing they don't already have.There are plenty of things that Dallas doesn't have. The question is, why would someone build one of those things here instead of Dallas? I don't see it happening. I firmly believe this development will be cool and I am excited for it. Will it make Kansas City jealous? Maybe. Dallas, I highly doubt it.

There are plenty of things that Dallas doesn't have. The question is, why would someone build one of those things here instead of Dallas? I don't see it happening. I firmly believe this development will be cool and I am excited for it. Will it make Kansas City jealous? Maybe. Dallas, I highly doubt it.

Every couple years, our handful of snow plows makes Dallas jealous ;). Maybe we are getting another one.

I will say that OKC does have better trails and the boathouse district that Dallas doesn't have. And we are getting the white water facility that I am sure will make quite a few people in KC and DFW jealous. Other than that no idea what we could get that DFW doesn't already have 5 of.

How about that Giant Oil Rig on the river with dyed black water shooting out the top 750ft high 24-7. I guess anything is possible. I haven't seen that in Dallas or KC

I will say that OKC does have better trails and the boathouse district that Dallas doesn't have. And we are getting the white water facility that I am sure will make quite a few people in KC and DFW jealous. Other than that no idea what we could get that DFW doesn't already have 5 of.

Exactly.

And even if you completely disregard where it might be located, who might be paying for it, etc., I would still like someone to put forth a viable idea.

Unless we are somehow moving the Pacific Ocean or Rocky Mountains, I can't come up with a single thing that would fit the description.

Exactly.

And even if you completely disregard where it might be located, who might be paying for it, etc., I would still like someone to put forth a viable idea.

Unless we are somehow moving the Pacific Ocean or Rocky Mountains, I can't come up with a single thing that would fit the description.movie studio. Although I'm not sure if that would really make Dallas jealous or not.

I just thought of something; although I don't think this is it...

But the whole NASA / SpaceX / Boeing / Tinker thing. Getting a ton of space-related jobs and projects would be really cool and unique (apart from Houston, Seattle, etc.).

But, I doubt it would be downtown in any event.

To be completely honest here, I think the phrase "make Dallas jealous" was not meant to be taken as literally as people are taking it. He probably said that to show how big of a deal this project is. However, it probably won't literally make Dallas jealous. Even if it doesn't, it still will be a huge catch for OKC.

I have a cousin named Dallas. Maybe it's something that will make her jealous.

A few of you are straying away from the original jealousy statement. It has been noted that it will be "entertainment" related.

That really makes it difficult to guess, especially with adding Dallas into the mix. I can't think of anything that would warrant making Dallas jealous. For example the DFW metro area is getting one of those huge indoor snow ski type resorts. That would have been cool and something that would've made them a little jealous for a week or two.

The only entertainment type of venue that I can think of that would make Dallas jealous would be some sort of professional sports league that they don't already have. My first thought was MLS, but then I remembered they already have a team. Other than something like that I just don't know... Maybe some type of massive amusement park or the like. There's also always the possibility that Steve has hyperbole'd a bit here.

I think Steve's statement is being hyperbole'd.

I think he also has a tendency to cry wolf in a very teasing sort of way. Anyone remember the movie 2010:The Year We Made Contact? Dave Bowman tells Heywood Floyd "Something's going to happen. Something wonderful".

Now run with that....

I cast my vote for urban treehouses.

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Rest of y'all can vote on what ya want. These made my morning.

The monorail! The monorail!

A few of you are straying away from the original jealousy statement. It has been noted that it will be "entertainment" related.

That really makes it difficult to guess, especially with adding Dallas into the mix. I can't think of anything that would warrant making Dallas jealous. For example the DFW metro area is getting one of those huge indoor snow ski type resorts. That would have been cool and something that would've made them a little jealous for a week or two.

My guess is maybe a mixed-use entertainment complex. Something along the lines of the Power and Light district in Kansas City or 4th St Live in Louisville, but with some residential added to the mix. That wouldn't literally make Dallas jealous, but it would be such a huge deal for OKC that using the line successfully made the point.

My guess is maybe a mixed-use entertainment complex. Something along the lines of the Power and Light district in Kansas City or 4th St Live in Louisville, but with some residential added to the mix. That wouldn't literally make Dallas jealous, but it would be such a huge deal for OKC that using the line successfully made the point.

I agree. I think a combination of retail, entertainment, and housing on the big parking lot in front of the Bricktown Events Center. If they weren't already building a laser tag place, I'd suggest that. Have a combination of a midrise tower (10-15 stories) for housing, a 5 story parking garage, maybe the NW corner of the lot has a big anchor store like a Crate and Barrel or something, and then the rest would be 4 to 5 stories with a few restaurants, bars, little shops, and some kind of family-friendly entertainment option. I don't want to say a Dave and Busters, but some kind of video-gamey electronic thing. Put it together with some sort of covered pedestrian plaza thing in the middle with seating and a fountain, and it could be a very nice addition to Bricktown.

Actually, I didn't remember Steve saying this at the time, but while I was typing this post, I Googled for Crate and Barrel, and came across this from a year ago:

Steve Lackmeyer: Oklahoma City is finally getting on the radar of upscale retailers | News OK (http://newsok.com/steve-lackmeyer-oklahoma-city-is-finally-getting-on-the-radar-of-upscale-retailers/article/3889821)

"Is there any chance Oklahoma City could get a Crate and Barrel or anything similar one of these days?

Yes. Oklahoma City is finally getting on the radar of quite a few upscale retailers."

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I have no idea what this thing will be. I do not have my fingers on the pulse of what is hip and happening in the urban development community. Just guessing.

I completely agree, hoyasooner, with everything except for the Crate and Barrel thing. A development like that would be a huge game changer for OKC and could definitely shift a lot of momentum back to Bricktown that has been lost to other districts in recent years.

Crate & Barrel is probably in OKC's future, but my guess is they will end up somewhere like Chisolm Creek. National retailers still live and die by the spreadsheet and that don't bode well for the urban core (yet). Upscale boutique retail is more likely, such as the SLIM men's clothing store soon to open in Deep Deuce.

Better for downtown would be if a grocer or similar development is included as part of the development. My personal assertion is that downtown OKC will have arrived when you no longer have to drive to the burbs for basic living necessities.

I agree. I think a combination of retail, entertainment, and housing on the big parking lot in front of the Bricktown Events Center. If they weren't already building a laser tag place, I'd suggest that. Have a combination of a midrise tower (10-15 stories) for housing, a 5 story parking garage, maybe the NW corner of the lot has a big anchor store like a Crate and Barrel or something, and then the rest would be 4 to 5 stories with a few restaurants, bars, little shops, and some kind of family-friendly entertainment option. I don't want to say a Dave and Busters, but some kind of video-gamey electronic thing. Put it together with some sort of covered pedestrian plaza thing in the middle with seating and a fountain, and it could be a very nice addition to Bricktown.

Actually, I didn't remember Steve saying this at the time, but while I was typing this post, I Googled for Crate and Barrel, and came across this from a year ago:

Steve Lackmeyer: Oklahoma City is finally getting on the radar of upscale retailers | News OK (http://newsok.com/steve-lackmeyer-oklahoma-city-is-finally-getting-on-the-radar-of-upscale-retailers/article/3889821)

"Is there any chance Oklahoma City could get a Crate and Barrel or anything similar one of these days?

Yes. Oklahoma City is finally getting on the radar of quite a few upscale retailers."

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I have no idea what this thing will be. I do not have my fingers on the pulse of what is hip and happening in the urban development community. Just guessing.

This basically sounds like Branson Landing, which I would not be opposed to.